RIP Phil Walsh - Police, club, league statements in OP

[TheCryingGame]

I really don't like this attitude, even if it is well intentioned. Domestic violence is a huge issue in this country and rarely gets the time of day it deserves. For people to dismiss the most horrific actions someone can commit as being 'never truly understandable' is a defeatist attitude that allows us to repress some of our darkest issues within society.

I hope that at the very least a high profile person like Phil Walsh being the victim of such a domestic dispute would help shine a light on this issue and convince many to start a real conversation about it.

Domestic violence or mental health? the two are not one and the same. I probably should have said "I can't possibly imagine" (rather than speaking for others) but was commenting on the same lines as you, that mental health issues are largely misunderstood - having said that I think poeple's growing awareness of it - that its something outside the realm of their reason - is why I haven't seen much vitriol towards his son on these forums.

I'm of course, not advocating a defeatist attitude towards mental health at all

 

[douglyzia]

Sorry but seriously… WTF AFL

This is tragic emotional day for the industry

I think they could be a bit more sensitive on their website. Seems very blunt

They have form for this over the last few years. A lot of their "witty" headlines when reporting on player injuries have been quite distasteful to say the least.

 

[Jaeger]

Herald sun selling a special edition paper this arvo. I think it's poor form, trying to make money out of this tragedy.

 

[Prestigerrycomo]

But that's the point, we have no idea of how it all went down.
All kinds of scenarios could have happened, ranging from Walsh being completely innocent and his son being a murderous treach who cut down his innocent father, to his son could have been on ice and lost control and did this tragic event, or even that they both got into an argument that got out of control and a scuffle ensued at which point the son picked up a weapon and did it in a fit of rage without thinking properly.

Point is that we have no idea which of the scenarios happened and maybe even a different scenario happened, so before you pass judgement on the son as being such an evil person, lets wait to know the facts and then judge him on how bad his deeds were.
For all we know, this 'domestic violence' could never have been an issue for that family, but in the worst of luck it came about that night and ended in the worst possible way.

You are posting on an AFL forum. Phil Walsh was a prominent AFL identity. How else do you expect people to react?

 

[peternorth]

We're all saddened and shocked by the sudden loss, Walshy was a great man, and was involved with many people across many clubs.


Whats worse however, than the media, is the hoards of people on social media who feel some sort of social satisfaction by posting relevant posts like phil huges' death. People feel if they don't post something or do something they don't care; and that they need to be seen doing something. I didn't agree with this at first, but Ali Carle wrote a nice article on how bad social media is during tragedies. Like the whole 63 not out; everyone started trying to score and retire on 63, and outdoing each other with the most clever and insightful tweet/update.

i found it interesting to read your post then see your avatar. clearly you're a massive hughes fan. then i read post again and understood your viewpoint. a measured, logical post if ive ever seen one! perhaps "one uping" has always been done, the LOOK AT ME, ME ME ME scourge, but before twitter etc there were limited ways of proving it. it's something worth discussing elsewhere on bigfooty (perhaps general discussion thread) in more depth than here.

 

[Bluelegs]

But that's the point, we have no idea of how it all went down.
All kinds of scenarios could have happened, ranging from Walsh being completely innocent and his son being a murderous treach who cut down his innocent father, to his son could have been on ice and lost control and did this tragic event, or even that they both got into an argument that got out of control and a scuffle ensued at which point the son picked up a weapon and did it in a fit of rage without thinking properly.

Point is that we have no idea which of the scenarios happened and maybe even a different scenario happened, so before you pass judgement on the son as being such an evil person, lets wait to know the facts and then judge him on how bad his deeds were.
For all we know, this 'domestic violence' could never have been an issue for that family, but in the worst of luck it came about that night and ended in the worst possible way.

I just wish the attitude wasn't 'we'll never know what made someone commit this act' whenever these kinds of things occur. I think we need to actually spend our efforts trying to educate ourselves on what would lead a person to do such a thing, I think it's also the responsibility of the media to educate the public when that information comes to light.

Of course we don't know anything YET, but we should be focussed on finding that information out. Otherwise how can we know how to prevent these things from happening in future?

 

[TheCryingGame]

Herald sun selling a special edition paper this arvo. I think it's poor form, trying to make money out of this tragedy.

What can they do, though. Not report on the biggest story, possibly in Australia?

 

[Sweetback]

Closer to one a week I would have thought.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4215739.htm

 

[quotemokc]

Spent 20 years as an assistant and finally makes the big time and is murdered by his own son.....

Such is Life.

Seemed like such a good hard bloke.

 

[Bluelegs]

Domestic violence or mental health? the two are not one and the same. I probably should have said "I can't possibly imagine" (rather than speaking for others) but was commenting on the same lines as you, that mental health issues are largely misunderstood - having said that I think poeple's growing awareness of it - that its something outside the realm of their reason - is why I haven't seen much vitriol towards his son on these forums.

I'm of course, not advocating a defeatist attitude towards mental health at all

Both are massive issues, not mutually exclusive, but not necessarily related either. Both need to become a point of discussion. Apologies if my post was misdirected but I do hear the 'we'll never understand' attitude trotted out a lot when these things happen and it makes me incredibly angry when I do see it.

 

[Jak!x]

Waking up and hearing that a man has been murdered is terrible news.
However in saying that, the Government has stripped bare the funding for domestic violence in favor of protecting against a terror threat that is yet to strike. I think it was approx. $1.2 billion?
How many people must die in their own homes before that choice is reconsidered?
Rest in Peace Phil Walsh, you were a great coach.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Spent 20 years as an assistant and finally makes the big time and is murdered by his own son.....

Such is Life.

Seemed like such a good hard bloke.

A late starter to the top level as a player, also. Debuted at 23.

 

[Hudu Gurusingha]

Sorry if this has been answered - but has it been confirmed if the son was under the influence? And if so, what? Ice?

 

[Bluelegs]

I think the message on that guernsey is beautiful, maybe I'm just a simplistic person.
'From all of us, who feel the pain of loss and human suffering, we live in hope that again, someday soon, we shall all #flyasone.'

At the end of the day, posting a hashtag is just as redundant as posting 'RIP' on a website. I have absolutely no issue with this hashtag, and if anything I applaud it because I think it connects people who are grieving - perhaps in a superficial manner - but it promotes unity all the same.

I definitely can appreciate the sentiment. But I think the hashtag makes it feel more like a marketing message than a personal heartfelt tribute.

 

[vonn]

I definitely can appreciate the sentiment. But I think the hashtag makes it feel more like a marketing message than a personal heartfelt tribute.

Only marketing if there is an intent to commercialise on it which I don't think there is.

 

[BlackHawk72]

R.I.P

 

[Pessimistic]

What can they do, though. Not report on the biggest story, possibly in Australia?

Yes but don't they lose gravitas if they then say theres too much chasing the almighty $$$ for others ?

 

[The_Reaper]

I definitely can appreciate the sentiment. But I think the hashtag makes it feel more like a marketing message than a personal heartfelt tribute.

I'll give the benefit of the doubt and suggest that they're using a common Adelaide football club slogan to show solidarity.

 

[Bluelegs]

Only marketing if there is an intent to commercialise on it which I don't think there is.

I understand it's not literally marketing, only that it has the appearance of a marketing message because of the hashtag. I'm sure the sentiment was pure though.

 

[Grave Danger]

It's made the headlines in England....

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...and even in St Louis:

http://news.lalate.com/2015/07/02/phil-walsh-murdered-today-2015-found-dead-son-arrested/

ST LOUIS (LALATE) – Phil Walsh has been murdered and his son is in custody. Phil Walsh (Phillip Walsh), the former coach of Adelaide Football Club, has been found dead today, murdered, inside his home. News of the homicide was announced just moments before 3 pm PST. Walsh was found dead July 3, 2015 inside his Somerton Park residence. His wife is injured as well.

Phil Walsh is dead, the victim of a murder. ABC.Net.Au claims that Phil Walsh’s son has been arrested for alleged murder, but other reports claims that the son is only in custody. Walsh was 55.

Officials tell news that police responding to the Somerton Park home found Phil Walsh dead. Moreover, Phil Walsh’s wife is hospitalized with injuries as well. Official claim a purported alleged domestic dispute had just erupted before Walsh’s death. But they are not indicating who was invoked with the alleged dispute. Officials moreover are not indicating where Walsh’s son was located when he was taken into custody.

Phil Walsh played with Collingwood for one season before moving to Richmond for two years. Thereafter he played three seasons with the Brisbane Bears. He was named Adelaide Football Club’s coach replacing Brenton Sanderson on October 7, 2014. UPDATE: Police confirm the son has been arrested.

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[Nevbuster]

I remember round one when Adelaide played our team. I was a little bit smug thinking the Roos would get their first win but a different Adelaide team stepped out. Their intensity and run showed that Phil Walsh had been working hard on them over the summer. In an era where senior coaches are usually only a few years out from retirement here was a man who showed that experience could be a match for modern AFL playing experience. Adelaide didn't follow the trend by appointing Phil Walsh but they got the right man. Let's remember the extraordinary time and commitment senior coaches like Phil Walsh make to keep our game at the highest standard. I hope that his direction of the Crows carries them well into the finals.

 

[carlton2dabone]

I just wish the attitude wasn't 'we'll never know what made someone commit this act' whenever these kinds of things occur. I think we need to actually spend our efforts trying to educate ourselves on what would lead a person to do such a thing, I think it's also the responsibility of the media to educate the public when that information comes to light.

Of course we don't know anything YET, but we should be focussed on finding that information out. Otherwise how can we know how to prevent these things from happening in future?

But sometimes there is nothing to know to try to prevent it, sometimes people just commit crimes on the spur of the moment out of anger or some other emotion.

You could have a family that is very close and tight with each other, and one day after 20 years of blissful harmony an argument can start which can quickly escalate into a scuffle and next thing you know someone has killed the other person.

What happened in this scenario we don't yet know, but we can't make a judgement yet that anything would have prevented this because it could have been a simple arguement between 2 people that got out of control and ended up with one person killing another in a fit of rage.

 

[The_Reaper]

Sorry if this has been answered - but has it been confirmed if the son was under the influence? And if so, what? Ice?

As good as

 

[iBeng]

I definitely can appreciate the sentiment. But I think the hashtag makes it feel more like a marketing message than a personal heartfelt tribute.

The Hashtag is the current generations version of tying a ribbon to your letterbox or something similar. Im sure when that was first done it was also questioned, but everyone shows their grief in different ways.

 

[Feerits Elf]

Herald sun selling a special edition paper this arvo. I think it's poor form, trying to make money out of this tragedy.

Yep, and the commercial radio, television and online media outlets have been running stories all day.

Those utter bastards, who do they think they reporting the news at a time like this? It's clearly just so they can make money. How about they show some respect?