Prediction Round 1 Best 22

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-14/who-plays-in-round-one

B: Tyson Goldsack, Lynden Dunn, Jackson Ramsay
HB: Jeremy Howe, Ben Reid, Brayden Maynard
C: Steele Sidebottom, Adam Treloar, Jack Crisp
HF: Travis Varcoe, Jesse White, Will Hoskin-Elliott
F: Chris Mayne, Darcy Moore, Alex Fasolo
Foll: Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Taylor Adams
I/C: Mason Cox, Jarryd Blair, Tom Phillips, Josh Smith


New faces: Lynden Dunn, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Chris Mayne


Missing with injury/suspension: Jamie Elliott (ankle, TBC), Levi Greenwood (hamstring, TBC), Ben Sinclair (hamstring, 8-12 weeks), Daniel Wells (calf, 2-4 weeks)


Notes: Several spots are up in the air because of fitness issues, so on the basis of limited match conditioning I left out Jamie Elliott and Jordan De Goey, both of whom missed the final two JLT Community Series games, and I wasn't prepared to take a risk on the hamstring of Levi Greenwood, whose position in the team was probably already under threat. Rookie full-back Henry Schade, from Gold Coast, was unlucky to miss out but ex-Melbourne veteran Lynden Dunn gets the nod for his superior body strength and experience to play on Bulldogs big men such as Travis Cloke and Tom Boyd. Young midfielder James Aish was perhaps also a little stiff. - Ben Collins


That seems pretty close to what most are suggesting.

A few points of note from me:

*Fasolo - On ability alone he clearly makes our forward line more potent but going by reports to much showboating was seen from him during the JLT games. That stops now or he may find himself on the outer of the 22 quicker than he thinks.

*Blair - Opposite to Fasolo in that he generally tries to put his best foot forward in any game of football. He'll always get credit for that. Do I think he's in our best 22? No but I haven't for a few years but he still gets selected. This year might finally be the season that breaks the camels back but on JLT form and with Elliott, Wells and de Goey most likely unavailable he'll be selected.

*Varcoe - Personally I think he's overrated on these boards most likely because he performed above expectations in 2015. He reverted in 2016 to the form that saw Geelong happy to deal for him and had a disappointing lack of scoreboard impact IMO. Long ago seem the days of 30 goal seasons. His 8 tackles against Richmond last week is the shining light and main justification I see for him being in the side against the Bulldogs.
When the 3 names above become available he may struggle to hold his spot unless his form is rock solid.

*Aish - I know plenty of people would have him in our 22 for next week but his omission is justifiable for round 1 IMO. By all reports I just don't think he did enough across the JLT series though encouragingly he put in his best performance in game 3. Needs to find more consistency in 2017 to be considered a 22 mainstay. On ability a better option than Blair but the wee man has earned a spot ahead of him on preseason output.

*Cox - Probably the biggest selection decision of round 1. Do we play him and try to expose the injury hit Bulldog ruck division and seemingly undersized defence or do we pay respect to the ability of the reigning premiers to cover for these deficiencies and expose us and Cox on the rebound across half back. It's a difficult one but the promising preseason form of Cox up forward will most likely see us try to play the game on our terms and he'll be selected.

*Mayne - Wow this drafting decision is either going to be a masterstroke or leave us with egg all over our face. In a year with so many talented free agents potentially on the market I do question our large investment in Mayne and wonder how much the decision was based around the pressure on the coach to make finals. It's fair to say his preseason form has been less spectacular but it's still early days and that's not unexpected. Encouragingly last week was his best performance so far and I do expect more of this going forward. Only time will tell if this was smart recruiting but he deserves a year before we hung, drawn and quarter him or erect a statue in his honour.;)
 
Clarification-

Do we get to upgrade one of Cox, Schafer or Smith to the senior list?

Meaning, unless a result of LTI, only one of these three will be available for selection each week?
 

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Clarification-

Do we get to upgrade one of Cox, Schafer or Smith to the senior list?

Meaning, unless a result of LTI, only one of these three will be available for selection each week?

Smith was promoted at draft time 2016 to the main list and is no longer a rookie

We are running one short on the senior list meaning we can promote one rookie for free at any time

And Sinclair is injured so that opens a LTI vacancy

We could play all three in round one if we wanted to
 
Clarification-

Do we get to upgrade one of Cox, Schafer or Smith to the senior list?

Meaning, unless a result of LTI, only one of these three will be available for selection each week?

Pretty sure we can play both Cox and Schade if we put Sinclair on the LTI, and Smith is already on the seniors list.

Could be wrong
 
If we can run the dogs off their legs out of defence playing Smith and Varcoe back would be better than Goldsack

Almost anyone would be better than Goldsack at this point.
 
Varcoe - Personally I think he's overrated on these boards most likely because he performed above expectations in 2015. He reverted in 2016 to the form that saw Geelong happy to deal for him and had a disappointing lack of scoreboard impact IMO. Long ago seem the days of 30 goal seasons. His 8 tackles against Richmond last week is the shining light and main justification I see for him being in the side against the Bulldogs.
When the 3 names above become available he may struggle to hold his spot unless his form is rock solid.

It why we shouldn't be playing him up forward.
 
Putting a line through Elliott and Wells, and assuming De Goey and Pendles are right:

B: Maynard, Schade/Goldsack, Dunn
HB: Ramsay, Reid, Howe
C: Varcoe, Treloar, Sidebottom
HF: Mayne, White, De Goey
F: Fasolo, Moore, Cox
Grundy, Pendlebury, Adams

I: Crisp, ?????, ?????, ??????

The way I see it, there are 4 spots available.

1 will go to either Goldsack or Schade in defence.


The last 3 are a choice between Hoskin-Elliott, Greenwood, Aish, Phillips, Josh Smith, Jarryd Blair.

Personally, I would go with Hoskin-Elliott, Phillips, Smith and Schade.

I can't see Bucks not picking Blair though.

My best guess is the last spots will be Phillips, Smith and Blair....meaning WHE and Greenwood miss.

I really think WHE should play though...but the only other spot I can fit him in is for Mayne...but I equally doubt Bucks won't play Mayne, especially with no Elliott.

De Goey will have some question marks too so that may open up a spot....but if De Goey is out then I think we need to play Greenwood for more grunt...plus Greenwood can run with Bontempelli
 

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-14/who-plays-in-round-one

B: Tyson Goldsack, Lynden Dunn, Jackson Ramsay
HB: Jeremy Howe, Ben Reid, Brayden Maynard
C: Steele Sidebottom, Adam Treloar, Jack Crisp
HF: Travis Varcoe, Jesse White, Will Hoskin-Elliott
F: Chris Mayne, Darcy Moore, Alex Fasolo
Foll: Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Taylor Adams
I/C: Mason Cox, Jarryd Blair, Tom Phillips, Josh Smith


New faces: Lynden Dunn, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Chris Mayne


Missing with injury/suspension: Jamie Elliott (ankle, TBC), Levi Greenwood (hamstring, TBC), Ben Sinclair (hamstring, 8-12 weeks), Daniel Wells (calf, 2-4 weeks)


Notes: Several spots are up in the air because of fitness issues, so on the basis of limited match conditioning I left out Jamie Elliott and Jordan De Goey, both of whom missed the final two JLT Community Series games, and I wasn't prepared to take a risk on the hamstring of Levi Greenwood, whose position in the team was probably already under threat. Rookie full-back Henry Schade, from Gold Coast, was unlucky to miss out but ex-Melbourne veteran Lynden Dunn gets the nod for his superior body strength and experience to play on Bulldogs big men such as Travis Cloke and Tom Boyd. Young midfielder James Aish was perhaps also a little stiff. - Ben Collins


That seems pretty close to what most are suggesting.

A few points of note from me:

*Fasolo - On ability alone he clearly makes our forward line more potent but going by reports to much showboating was seen from him during the JLT games. That stops now or he may find himself on the outer of the 22 quicker than he thinks.

*Blair - Opposite to Fasolo in that he generally tries to put his best foot forward in any game of football. He'll always get credit for that. Do I think he's in our best 22? No but I haven't for a few years but he still gets selected. This year might finally be the season that breaks the camels back but on JLT form and with Elliott, Wells and de Goey most likely unavailable he'll be selected.

*Varcoe - Personally I think he's overrated on these boards most likely because he performed above expectations in 2015. He reverted in 2016 to the form that saw Geelong happy to deal for him and had a disappointing lack of scoreboard impact IMO. Long ago seem the days of 30 goal seasons. His 8 tackles against Richmond last week is the shining light and main justification I see for him being in the side against the Bulldogs.
When the 3 names above become available he may struggle to hold his spot unless his form is rock solid.

*Aish - I know plenty of people would have him in our 22 for next week but his omission is justifiable for round 1 IMO. By all reports I just don't think he did enough across the JLT series though encouragingly he put in his best performance in game 3. Needs to find more consistency in 2017 to be considered a 22 mainstay. On ability a better option than Blair but the wee man has earned a spot ahead of him on preseason output.

*Cox - Probably the biggest selection decision of round 1. Do we play him and try to expose the injury hit Bulldog ruck division and seemingly undersized defence or do we pay respect to the ability of the reigning premiers to cover for these deficiencies and expose us and Cox on the rebound across half back. It's a difficult one but the promising preseason form of Cox up forward will most likely see us try to play the game on our terms and he'll be selected.

*Mayne - Wow this drafting decision is either going to be a masterstroke or leave us with egg all over our face. In a year with so many talented free agents potentially on the market I do question our large investment in Mayne and wonder how much the decision was based around the pressure on the coach to make finals. It's fair to say his preseason form has been less spectacular but it's still early days and that's not unexpected. Encouragingly last week was his best performance so far and I do expect more of this going forward. Only time will tell if this was smart recruiting but he deserves a year before we hung, drawn and quarter him or erect a statue in his honour.;)
Great summary (and decent effort by Collins).
Just on Varcoe: I think the tackling, in combination with generally reliable skills is his point of difference, but improving depth puts a number of players on notice.
As for Fas, I think he and Elliott will need more time together to bring out the best in him again.
In that half that Jamie played in JLT1, I thought his all-action, 'go for everything' style may have put Fas in the shade somewhat and will likely require an adjustment period..
 
Assuming the HS are correct and that Elliott (ankle, TBC), Greenwood (hamstring, TBC), Sinclair (hamstring, 8-12 weeks) and Wells (calf, 2-4 weeks) are all out....

This is the team I would pick, not the one I think will be selected. I think Blair will be in ahead of Aish and based on preseason performances, I can live with that.

B: Ramsay, Dunn, Maynard
HB: Howe, Reid, WHE
M: Phillips, Pendlebury, Crisp
R: Treloar, Grundy, Adams
HF: Smith, White, Sidebottom
F: Fasolo, Moore, Mayne

Int: Cox, Varcoe, De Goey, Aish


In relation to some of the names that have been discussed recently, my thoughts are as follows.

Goldsack: Despite being a reasonable backup option with good experience, he should not be in the 22 unless we are decimated. He has been best 22 for only one season of his career and that was as a forward.

With the team regressing badly over the last few years, the fact that despite his experience, Goldsack is still only a borderline selection is telling as to his general lack of quality.

He is not good enough 1 on 1, is an inconsistent kick, exhibits poor positional play and his direct competitors by position in Howe, Maynard and Ramsay are just better players with greater scope to improve further. When fit, Langdon is also ahead of him in my opinion.

Varcoe: I share the concerns of others in here. He lacks intensity and floats in and out of games.

Despite being a good kick in theory, he has a very lazy approach to goal and misses too many sitters as a result. He should be under pressure when the injured players come back, but I doubt he will be.

Blair: I don't rate him. His supposed best asset is his tackling ability but unfortunately, most of the tackles that he lays don't stick which renders them meaningless.

He also floats out of games too regularly and despite having good intensity, generally goes missing in the big moments.

Maynard:. He is not the finished article yet but is progressing well. Should play.

Phillips: Close to our best player over the preseason. Has to play.

Ramsay: In my opinion our best small backman. Will prove to be a vital piece if his body lets him.

Mayne: He showed enough in the last preseason game to get a spot. We recruited him for a reason and need to give him a reasonable opportunity to play into form and get used to his teammates.

That said, if he doesn't do enough in the first two rounds, he will rightly come under the microscope. Depending on form, he is also one of the main candidates to be replaced when Eliott is fit by virtue of his position.

Cox: It will be horses for courses with this bloke until he fully establishes himself (or doesn't). He should play against the Dogs due to their undersized defence. His form in preseason warrants selection.

Aish: I rate him but I understand the concern. I actually think we are using him poorly.

His entire skill set is suited to being a genuine on-baller and not a winger and he has shown excellent signs when he has been given an opportunity to play that role. He is a better footballer than Blair.

Dunn: His defensive ability is similar to Brown's in my opinion, but his ability as a footballer is miles ahead. We will be harder to pin down with Dunn in the side and will improve as a result.

Schade: Haven't seen enough of him to comment.

Wells: Genuine star of the competition. I can't wait to see him run out in the black and white.
 
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b/l =ramsay, dunn, schade
h.b/l= howe, reid, maynard
c/l=phillips, adams, varcoe
hf/l=sidebottom moore, mayne
ff/l= fasolo, cox, white
foll/=grundy pendles, treloar
inter= crisp,aish, whe,goldsack
 
So
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-14/who-plays-in-round-one

B: Tyson Goldsack, Lynden Dunn, Jackson Ramsay
HB: Jeremy Howe, Ben Reid, Brayden Maynard
C: Steele Sidebottom, Adam Treloar, Jack Crisp
HF: Travis Varcoe, Jesse White, Will Hoskin-Elliott
F: Chris Mayne, Darcy Moore, Alex Fasolo
Foll: Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Taylor Adams
I/C: Mason Cox, Jarryd Blair, Tom Phillips, Josh Smith


New faces: Lynden Dunn, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Chris Mayne


Missing with injury/suspension: Jamie Elliott (ankle, TBC), Levi Greenwood (hamstring, TBC), Ben Sinclair (hamstring, 8-12 weeks), Daniel Wells (calf, 2-4 weeks)


Notes: Several spots are up in the air because of fitness issues, so on the basis of limited match conditioning I left out Jamie Elliott and Jordan De Goey, both of whom missed the final two JLT Community Series games, and I wasn't prepared to take a risk on the hamstring of Levi Greenwood, whose position in the team was probably already under threat. Rookie full-back Henry Schade, from Gold Coast, was unlucky to miss out but ex-Melbourne veteran Lynden Dunn gets the nod for his superior body strength and experience to play on Bulldogs big men such as Travis Cloke and Tom Boyd. Young midfielder James Aish was perhaps also a little stiff. - Ben Collins


That seems pretty close to what most are suggesting.

A few points of note from me:

*Fasolo - On ability alone he clearly makes our forward line more potent but going by reports to much showboating was seen from him during the JLT games. That stops now or he may find himself on the outer of the 22 quicker than he thinks.

*Blair - Opposite to Fasolo in that he generally tries to put his best foot forward in any game of football. He'll always get credit for that. Do I think he's in our best 22? No but I haven't for a few years but he still gets selected. This year might finally be the season that breaks the camels back but on JLT form and with Elliott, Wells and de Goey most likely unavailable he'll be selected.

*Varcoe - Personally I think he's overrated on these boards most likely because he performed above expectations in 2015. He reverted in 2016 to the form that saw Geelong happy to deal for him and had a disappointing lack of scoreboard impact IMO. Long ago seem the days of 30 goal seasons. His 8 tackles against Richmond last week is the shining light and main justification I see for him being in the side against the Bulldogs.
When the 3 names above become available he may struggle to hold his spot unless his form is rock solid.

*Aish - I know plenty of people would have him in our 22 for next week but his omission is justifiable for round 1 IMO. By all reports I just don't think he did enough across the JLT series though encouragingly he put in his best performance in game 3. Needs to find more consistency in 2017 to be considered a 22 mainstay. On ability a better option than Blair but the wee man has earned a spot ahead of him on preseason output.

*Cox - Probably the biggest selection decision of round 1. Do we play him and try to expose the injury hit Bulldog ruck division and seemingly undersized defence or do we pay respect to the ability of the reigning premiers to cover for these deficiencies and expose us and Cox on the rebound across half back. It's a difficult one but the promising preseason form of Cox up forward will most likely see us try to play the game on our terms and he'll be selected.

*Mayne - Wow this drafting decision is either going to be a masterstroke or leave us with egg all over our face. In a year with so many talented free agents potentially on the market I do question our large investment in Mayne and wonder how much the decision was based around the pressure on the coach to make finals. It's fair to say his preseason form has been less spectacular but it's still early days and that's not unexpected. Encouragingly last week was his best performance so far and I do expect more of this going forward. Only time will tell if this was smart recruiting but he deserves a year before we hung, drawn and quarter him or erect a statue in his honour.;)
Sorry varcoe is a gun
 
Ramsay Dunn Maynard
Howe Reid Smith
De Goey Pendles Crisp
Sidebottom Moore WHE
Fasolo Cox Elliott

Grundy Treloar Adams

Varcoe Aish Phillips White


Cox so dangerous up forward, so he’s in. Hasn’t played there for a full game yet, and still should’ve kicked 4 or 5 in one of those JLT games. White slots into the high half forward position and Darcy stays deep when Cox goes into the ruck to relieve Grundy.

Phillips good enough to get into the team, and provides great endurance and run down the wings, but De Goey and Crisp are my starting wingmen. This places them in the starting midfield brigade, where they provide added clearance ability, competitiveness, run, pace, toughness and desire. With the emergence of Smith and Phillips, I think people have forgotten just how good these two are in the heat of battle. & both can kick goals…

No Mayne, which prob won’t happen, but I want WHE in there, and hope that he can provide the defensive pressure that Bucks wants from Mayne, whilst adding precise kicking, skilful marking and pace to a side that needs it.

Greenwood also misses, which also prob may not happen if fit, but he slows us down and didn’t add much in terms of clearances when he did place recently. If we need his tagging against a McCrae or Libba, then I understand him being in, but I’d prefer Crisp on the Bont as a tagger, & I really like the young boys coming through, so want to give players like Aish, Phillips and Smith the opportunity to develop and deliver.

Lot of talk about Schade, but I think Bucks was saying he’s proved he can be cover for Reid or Dunn when required, or be a first choice against tall forward lines. He’s still learning the caper and our style, so 1.5 good pre-season games a gun defender & automatic selection doth not make. Bulldogs have a small forward line, which always seems to worry us, but I’m counting on our midfield to stand up and restrict the impact of their forwards.

The rest pick themselves, but need players like Maynard and White need to step and eradicate their errors, or be at risk of losing their spots…

Go Pies!
 
Ramsay Dunn Maynard
Howe Reid Smith
De Goey Pendles Crisp
Sidebottom Moore WHE
Fasolo Cox Elliott

Grundy Treloar Adams

Varcoe Aish Phillips White


Cox so dangerous up forward, so he’s in. Hasn’t played there for a full game yet, and still should’ve kicked 4 or 5 in one of those JLT games. White slots into the high half forward position and Darcy stays deep when Cox goes into the ruck to relieve Grundy.

Phillips good enough to get into the team, and provides great endurance and run down the wings, but De Goey and Crisp are my starting wingmen. This places them in the starting midfield brigade, where they provide added clearance ability, competitiveness, run, pace, toughness and desire. With the emergence of Smith and Phillips, I think people have forgotten just how good these two are in the heat of battle. & both can kick goals…

No Mayne, which prob won’t happen, but I want WHE in there, and hope that he can provide the defensive pressure that Bucks wants from Mayne, whilst adding precise kicking, skilful marking and pace to a side that needs it.

Greenwood also misses, which also prob may not happen if fit, but he slows us down and didn’t add much in terms of clearances when he did place recently. If we need his tagging against a McCrae or Libba, then I understand him being in, but I’d prefer Crisp on the Bont as a tagger, & I really like the young boys coming through, so want to give players like Aish, Phillips and Smith the opportunity to develop and deliver.

Lot of talk about Schade, but I think Bucks was saying he’s proved he can be cover for Reid or Dunn when required, or be a first choice against tall forward lines. He’s still learning the caper and our style, so 1.5 good pre-season games a gun defender & automatic selection doth not make. Bulldogs have a small forward line, which always seems to worry us, but I’m counting on our midfield to stand up and restrict the impact of their forwards.

The rest pick themselves, but need players like Maynard and White need to step and eradicate their errors, or be at risk of losing their spots…

Go Pies!
Elliott won't play and Schade will play.
 

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