Toast Round 15 = Collingwood 82-80 Adelaide

[TheGreatGrundy]

If you're looking for McStay to produce stats, you'll probably be disappointed. Especially if your key metric is goals. His main task will be to provide a contest. He's elite at that due to tank and competitiveness in the air.

This projects to make a big difference to our team when you consider that Mihocek is our one tall currently able to consistently provide a contest. Having another is expected to provide major flow on effects, even if McStay's individual stats might be modest.

In addition to competing in the air he can also tackle, lead up the ground and provide extra experience. To me he's a clear upgrade on AJ - that's even if they are competing, some chance we can play both, with McStay making AJ's job easier as he won't be playing as a KPP.

I understand why people aren't convinced with McStay, but I am because the minimum we need from him is what he has proven to do every week in Brisbane. Work hard and compete. We badly need it and there's no doubt he can provide that. What he can provide beyond that is the question and where others have doubts, but I'm not too concerned as the minimum he can provide is, in itself, enough to improve the team.

The minimum we currently need from McStay is to actually play some games so we are able to estimate his potential worth.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Cameron is currently of far more value to the team than Johnson. If Cox rucks a 2nd ruck is still needed. Johnson and McStay have not impressed in that role. Cameron was good in the final quarter. Also allows Cox to play forward - he kicked 2 vital goals in the last quarter.

Like you, I am not sold yet on McStay.

Camreon missed a lot of footy and often seems to take time to build form when he returns to the senior side. I think he's improved game on game. Hopefully that continues.

 

[Doc1763]

Another amazing crowd by our supporters.

Top 10 (Collingwood vs Non-Vic H&A crowds in Melbourne)

1. Rd 8 2023 = Collingwood vs Sydney (71,463)
2. Rd 15 2023 = Collingwood vs Adelaide (65,930)
3. Rd 9 2013 = Collingwood vs Sydney (65,306)
4. Rd 21 2007 = Collingwood vs Sydney (63,842)
5. Rd 13 2012 = Collingwood vs West Coast (62,957)
6. Rd 19 2003 = Collingwood vs Brisbane Lions (61,868)
7. Rd 3 2019 = Collingwood vs West Coast (60,878)
8. Rd 2 2023 = Collingwood vs Port Adelaide (60,744)
9. Rd 7 1998 = Collingwood vs Sydney (57,894)
10. Rd 10 2006 = Collingwood vs Brisbane Lions (54,820)

on a day where the trains are completely knackered.

 

[gopies1981]

on a day where the trains are completely knackered.

and we still get 66,000. No other club In Melbourne would draw a crowd against an interstate club with train lines down and freezing weather. That includes you Richmond lol

 

[Mollythedolly]

Sorry - was Buckley giving Witts a pat on the back and not man handling him in frustration.
My bad

That was Witts' 1st game back after his finger injury. He was played as a KPF for most of that game, giving Grundy an occasional chop out. He is not now nor was he then a KPF. Buckley's frustration, if that was even the match, was just as likely in being forced into that situation due to Moore and Cloke being unavailable, leaving Witts and Jessie White as our only options. And we got spanked by Melbourne. But don't let your desperation to make it something more than that get in the way of the truth.

 

[Fruit]

Even though it wasn’t the game we were hoping for today we actually won 3 of the 4 quarters. We kicked 5 goals to 1 in the 2nd term and 5 goals to 2 in the last. The sky hasn’t fallen in yet.

 

[TradeDraft]

Should have been having a shot after the siren too. Got lucky that the umps didn’t see that high contact with 11 seconds left. View attachment 1722201

They missed more than just that High Free Kick that was missed

 

[Apex36]

The die was caste mate.

Funny, because I recall Witts thoroughly outperforming Grundy in that last preseason and being picked ahead of him for round 1.
Infected webbing was a sliding doors moment, nobody could confidently say what would have happened if Witts was available early in the year when Grundy was so-so.

 

[leon123]

I just watched the game without knowing the score... just wow, so smiling, so need of heart medication, so happy, so top of the ladder

 

[No SPIN]

That was Witts' 1st game back after his finger injury. He was played as a KPF for most of that game, giving Grundy an occasional chop out. He is not now nor was he then a KPF. Buckley's frustration, if that was even the match, was just as likely in being forced into that situation due to Moore and Cloke being unavailable, leaving Witts and Jessie White as our only options. And we got spanked by Melbourne. But don't let your desperation to make it something more than that get in the way of the truth.

A controlled media performer like Buckley, does not publicly man handle a player, in the absence of a prolonged period of frustration that ultimately boils over.

It’s that simple.

Buckley didn’t rate Witts - and preferred Grundy.

When Grundy was winning AA honours I don’t recall you or anyone else suggesting the club made the wrong call.

 

[Black_White]

Where were your howls of protests when he got traded?
Grundy was streets ahead of him at the time.
If you want to indulge in 20/20 hindsight we’ll be here for a month.

Your welcome to go back and find them.
I wasn’t “howling” but I didn’t want us to lose him. And stated so.

 

[No SPIN]

Funny, because I recall Witts thoroughly outperforming Grundy in that last preseason and being picked ahead of him for round 1.
Infected webbing was a sliding doors moment, nobody could confidently say what would have happened if Witts was available early in the year when Grundy was so-so.

I don’t recall you lamenting the loss of Witts, when Grundy was winning AA honours.
But please feel free to link me to those posts to correct my recollection.

 

[eyeroller]

Even though it wasn’t the game we were hoping for today we actually won 3 of the 4 quarters. We kicked 5 goals to 1 in the 2nd term and 5 goals to 2 in the last. The sky hasn’t fallen in yet.

Yeah, the total dismantling in the 3rd quarter skewed the view of the whole game a bit

 

[Maggie5]

You're extrapolating Grundy's last 6-7 games of the season where he started to actually dominate as his form for the season. He was overlooked for the round 1 team because Witts was performing better. If Witts finger injury hadn't gotten infected and prolonged his absence Grundy likely would have been dropped at times through the season. That he started to find some form before Witts returned doesn't now nor then make him "streets ahead". Your attempt to rewrite history is just laughable.

I was a big fan of Witts and always had him ahead of Grundy but I thought that despite Witt's form, Grundy was always the preferred option by Buckley and the selection committee.

Cool story. Not true, but cool story.

This part was true.

Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley has taken to Twitter to concede that he overstepped the mark during a fiery boundary line exchange with ruckman Jarrod Witts.

A furious Buckley grabbed Witts by the jumper and gesticulated fiercely during the third quarter of his side's 29-point loss to Hawthorn at the MCG on Saturday afternoon.

 

[VinnieB]

Every post from the losers is about the umpires.

They quickly forget how we beat them and some of the absolute worst umpiring decisions this year in Adelaide earlier in the season.

 

[VinnieB]

The positives about these wins is that we are doing it with Crisp and Elliot in ordinary form and JDG, Sidebottom and McStay to still come back into the team.

 

[No SPIN]

That was Witts' 1st game back after his finger injury. He was played as a KPF for most of that game, giving Grundy an occasional chop out. He is not now nor was he then a KPF. Buckley's frustration, if that was even the match, was just as likely in being forced into that situation due to Moore and Cloke being unavailable, leaving Witts and Jessie White as our only options. And we got spanked by Melbourne. But don't let your desperation to make it something more than that get in the way of the truth.

See post 200 above - it was against Haw not Melb and not a spanking- we lost by 29 points.
I think we know who has a problem with the truth.

 

[Apex36]

I don’t recall you lamenting the loss of Witts, when Grundy was winning AA honours.
But please feel free to link me to those posts to correct my recollection.

Straw man.

I was very vocal about the value of Witts when he left. Told GC supporters he’d play round 1 for them and was laughed at. There were a few on this board at the time who could see what Witts was becoming, and a lot of loud mouths who couldn’t.

 

[No SPIN]

Straw man.

I was very vocal about the value of Witts when he left. Told GC supporters he’d play round 1 for them and was laughed at. There were a few on this board at the time who could see what Witts was becoming, and a lot of loud mouths who couldn’t.

Yes - but you were comfortable we made the right choice when Grundy was winning AA’s like all supporters.

Witts was but a distant memory.

 

[Mick F]

Every post from the losers is about the umpires.

One of the more disappointing aspects of modern footy. I realise it is only a minority (as was the treatment of Goodes) but makes it difficult to still enjoy the game.

P.S. Credit to 99% of the posters today. Very little ‘carry on’ about umpires and commentators. Gee it makes it far more pleasurable.

 

[jathanas]

The positives about these wins is that we are doing it with Crisp and Elliot in ordinary form and JDG, Sidebottom and McStay to still come back into the team.

Agree.

Thought Elliot went OK today. His mark and goal was pure 2022 and if he didn't spray his set shot for goal in the last he would have finished with a couple.

He works hard and so does Crisp. It'll turn for them.

 

[unplugged]

Gee just watched the last quarter again. Those Noble moments were massive. But likewise Markov in pretty much the same passages of play.

Also, no doubt Dawson got taken high. But you wouldn't know it if not for the blood or for that screenshot on the previous page of this thread. It happened so fast you can't see shit... I wouldn't have called it if I was the umpire because when watching live, knowing it was going to happen, I could still barely see it!

 

[leon123]

I shake my head sometimes.

Just want to remind some people... pies, like the collingwood football club... is like top of the ladder. Yep top of the ladder.

Ponder, think and cherish this........ enjoy.

Side note, to make this even more pleasurable, cartlton are 15th

 

[South of the Yarra]

We don't want to be playing at peak performance now. We want to be winning and building. Plenty of time to peak.

 

[Chrispiesssss]