Preview Round 16, 2021: Collingwood v St.Kilda - MCG, Sunday 4th July, 3:20PM AEST

[Bill Mohr]

Just looking at the stats for Ryder at 33 years of age:

- Averaging 3.1 inside 50s (elite)
- Averaging 32.9 hit outs (elite)
- 60.5% hit out win rate (elite), career hit out win rate is 46.8% (above average)

Also above average in metres gained, contested marks, hit outs to advantage and kicks.

All from 8 games this season.

In comparison Marshall is having a slightly down year, although it has been very injury affected. He is elite in contested marks (avg. 2.7), and above average in metres gained, marks, score involvements, hit outs and contested possessions from 6 games this season.

Looking forward to seeing this unique ruck tandem take on the Pies and Grundy, and hopefully building/maintaining consistency. What isn’t in the stats is the mongrel, structuring and leadership these two bring to the table, worth their weight in gold.

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Ryder is contracted for 2 years and I think he will play longer than that if he has support. He is one tough unit and has not missed many games over a long career. Only downside for me is that they have not played him forward to enable him to kick a few goals which he is quite adept at, especially as the forward line has not functioned all that well this year.

 

[Ducky Tie]

Ryder is contracted for 2 years and I think he will play longer than that if he has support. He is one tough unit and has not missed many games over a long career. Only downside for me is that they have not played him forward to enable him to kick a few goals which he is quite adept at, especially as the forward line has not functioned all that well this year.

At his age, I think that keeping his game time low and prioritising his work in the ruck is the right call. He's a solid option in front of the ball, but his ruck craft is what's most important to us. In an ideal world he'd play 90% game time and spend some more time up forward, but I think the weekend was a good example of how we need to manage him. 65-75% game time of elite ruckwork to manage his longevity.

 

[Mowman]

Gee The Coffs Hamstring must of been a decent tear, down for 4 to 6 weeks

 

[aussierulesrules]

I just don't see any point in playing Long in defence at the moment. His game is not that well suited to it. He's not an intercept marker, doesn't get much footy and doesn't take the main small forward. He had some strengths last year in terms of intercept possessions, but they are very different to intercept marks in importance and leading to scoring. I hope we give him another crack as a forward. His pressure and intensity can mitigate his lack of production as a forward more than a defender, and he looked pretty good there against Richmond.

I would much much rather we keep him forward as well, but if JB comes in and with Coff going out I struggle to see how it happens.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Gee The Coffs Hamstring must of been a decent tear, down for 4 to 6 weeks

We don’t do short term injuries.

 

[lewdogs]

Gee The Coffs Hamstring must of been a decent tear, down for 4 to 6 weeks

Reckon it possibly points to something I've been suggesting with Coff this year....

Not in the best shape.

Huge preseason and back for a big 2022 I'm predicting.

 

[Mowman]

Reckon it possibly points to something I've been suggesting with Coff this year....

Not in the best shape.

Huge preseason and back for a big 2022 I'm predicting.

Maybe
I think just a young bloke who had a great 2020 and has struggled to back it up and lost confidence

 

[Ducky Tie]

I would much much rather we keep him forward as well, but if JB comes in and with Coff going out I struggle to see how it happens.

I don't really see Connolly's limited game time recently as a reason not to play him. If anything, I see it as a reason to make sure he gets a full game, rather than another run as the sub. If Billings is taking the forward role, I'd probably just leave Connolly in defence and let Long miss out.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Do we have to pay for a ticket upgrade even if we’ve got a 16 game membership?

Is there a $0 option like with Ticketmaster?

 

[Sully111]

I would much much rather we keep him forward as well, but if JB comes in and with Coff going out I struggle to see how it happens.

Membrey back, Battle forward, Billings wing?

 

[Roo Ted 77]

So with Bytel and Billings still facing a test before playing we're left with Leo, Lonie, Kent, Hunter, Sal, Allison, Clav, Darra and Sharman (Don't think Heath will play this year due to schooling) to pick a starter and sub.

F**k me...

I'm not a fan of the idea of a developing player being the sub as it robs them of a game in the VFL depending on if they make it on the field and where the games are etc so I'd rather see Leo either in the run on AFL or VFL side and have someone like Lones or Kent as a sub.

For me if Billings is fit he's in and Lones/Kent as sub and Leo plays VFL. If Bytel is fit he plays VFL. Think a few games in the VFL wouldn't hurt Bytel as he's never played a game for the Zebs and they need mids bad!

 

[Joffaboy]

Do we have to pay for a ticket upgrade even if we’ve got a 16 game membership?

Is there a $0 option like with Ticketmaster?

yes, but I am also an MCC member so will be in there.

 

[Joffaboy]

Dan Hannebery

Calf

TBC

 

[Roo Ted 77]

Dan Hannebery

Calf

TBC

To Be Cremated.....

 

[Premium]

Whatever happens we play our strongest side - Billing

Assuming Billings comes in for Coffield and Connolly is either the sub or gets a full game for Sandy, it will be interesting to see what we do structurally. I'd be curious to know if the plan was always to play Long forward last week, or if he went forward out of necessity once Billings was out. We probably need someone to spend some more time in defence to occupy the role played by Coffield/Connelly. Long was solid as a forward and has been unimpressive as a defender for a while, so I'd leave him in the front half.

Whatever happens we play our strongest side - Billings in - Connolly out , however you never know someone might get a injury

 

[aussierulesrules]

yes, but I am also an MCC member so will be in there.

Yes we have to pay a minimum of $18 for a ticket upgrade, even if we have a 16 game membership, or yes there’s a $0 option, like at Marvel?

 

[2ballz]

Yes we have to pay a minimum of $18 for a ticket upgrade, even if we have a 16 game membership, or yes there’s a $0 option, like at Marvel?

There was a $0 option

 

[aussierulesrules]

There was a $0 option

Cheers, looks like it’s sold out

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Cheers, looks like it’s sold out

It went very quickly at 3PM.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

the collingwood board . those people think it will be a walkover and they will win by 40 points.

Betting agencies think it will be a Pies win as well

 

[prophetic1]

I can only see us losing one more game for the home and away season - and it won't be this one.

Really?............................................. Hell yeah!!!

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Bloody missed out on tickets. Would have loved to see Harvey take on us.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Betting agencies think it will be a Pies win as well

We’re always better as the underdog

 

[Saint_Dos]

Ryder is contracted for 2 years and I think he will play longer than that if he has support. He is one tough unit and has not missed many games over a long career. Only downside for me is that they have not played him forward to enable him to kick a few goals which he is quite adept at, especially as the forward line has not functioned all that well this year.

When did this happen? Thought he was out of contract this year.

 

[KingsRansom]

When did this happen? Thought he was out of contract this year.

He is, hes contracted for 2020 and 2021. Contract ends this year

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