Review Round 19, 2023 vs Collingwood

[Andre]

Tonight pretty much come down to execution under pressure.
Kick some of those “easier” goals and get rid of some of the mistakes and we win.
The issue is that this is a constant thing.
All too often we choke under pressure and it’s stupid stuff like deliberate out of bounds or horrible tackles.
Not going to ping individuals too much as to me it’s almost a systemic thing.



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The obvious one though on pressure, we’ve seen especially this year, is the more years you’ve had in the Hinkley system, the more likely to choke under pressure. No surprises in the last our younger players, not yet completely shot, stood up, whilst older ones were the ones mostly shitting the bed.

 

[Port 2004]

The obvious one though on pressure, we’ve seen especially this year, is the more years you’ve had in the Hinkley system, the more likely to choke under pressure. No surprises in the last our younger players, not yet completely shot, stood up, whilst older ones were the ones mostly shitting the bed.

Wines and Boak are serial offenders in my opinion.

 

[Port 2004]

To repeat Tredders' recent statement, "Good teams can overcome bad umpiring." If we'd managed to work better as a team last night, we would have got the 4 points.

If our forwards kicked what were reasonable standard set shot goals, we would have won. Not good enough in that area last night.

 

[theouthouse]

So port lose a close massive game, a prelim/elimination final type game, at this time of year.

Difference is this is not season over, its only just beginning.

Trim the deadwood and those struggling with the intensity then watch it come together.

 

[philthy05]

With Wines current form, surly he can’t be our next captain, who should be then??

From the outside butters and Houston are the clear front runners

Marshall a huge concern. He was a complete non entity

Nah.

Was up against the competitions current best defender pretty much all game and turned as many of our sky high dump kicks into 50/50s as could be expected.

Wasn’t a great game but did as well as plenty of kfs have done against Moore with better service than what Todd got last night.

 

[Port 2004]

So port lose a close massive game, a prelim/elimination final type game, at this time of year.

Difference is this is not season over, its only just beginning.

Trim the deadwood and those struggling with the intensity then watch it come together.

This. We are not too far off clearly.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

From the outside butters and Houston are the clear front runners






Nah.

Was up against the competitions current best defender pretty much all game and turned as many of our sky high dump kicks into 50/50s as could be expected.

Wasn’t a great game but did as well as plenty of kfs have done against Moore with better service than what Todd got last night.

Todd could walk out and take a shit in the centre square and you would say he had a good game.

 

[Harlott]

The obvious one though on pressure, we’ve seen especially this year, is the more years you’ve had in the Hinkley system, the more likely to choke under pressure. No surprises in the last our younger players, not yet completely shot, stood up, whilst older ones were the ones mostly shitting the bed.

I’m bullish on our younger players (Rozee, Butters, HF etc) standing up when it counts. Part of the difference last night is the older players of Collingwood stood up in the last qtr when they had average games until then. Ours didn’t.

 

[longdonkey]

Just saw a Melbourne player change direction on an out on the full - no call strange that

 

[philthy05]

Going forward Marshall will never be our one key forward.
Port have endured with Dixon but for us to be a power team we need someone who can actually dominate.
At the moment we don't.

Our “one key forward” during his peak years versus our maligned developing kf from his debut and finding his legs to not even reaching the age where kfs generally peak …

207 goals v 129 (both players from 2017-current)

That’s an era where one was our star kf and the other a developing baby.


In the last three years when Todd has finally became a regular it reads as

85 V 96 goals

(So more goals from the player you argue can’t be our spearhead)

In that era 4+ goals games

6 V 7 games

(So more bags of goals from a player you argue can’t be dominant)


So

1. Having “one” kf certainly hasn’t proven to be successful for us in the past and it’s been a constant source of anguish to this board to watch us play that way in the past.

It’s well noted we’ve looked better when we’ve been less focused on one kf

2. How can we take the “Todd’s not a dominant kf” claims seriously when facts show he’s been as dominant as Charlie in recent history before Todd’s even reached his prime?


I would say todd ‘shouldn’t be our one key forward’ because no one should be.

If we’ve got one key target we’re predictable, easy to shut down (sound familiar?) and it would be a failure of list management.

Luckily we’ve got finlayson and some other developing talls and Mitch if we keep him and don’t botch that up.

 

[philthy05]

I think it’s interesting to note that we’ve heavily fallen back to bomb it high on the kfs head in general play.

They mentioned pregame that were like 17th for scores from the back half, which doesn’t make sense with our mobile collection of great kicks there..

Except for the fact as I’ve said for ages hinkleys flood , which is near impossible to opponents to navigate without turning over is also hard for us to navigate, and when we do we’re under that much pressure we just bomb it… like last night.


I’ve noticed , and I think we all have, that our best delivery inside 50 is coming from stoppages where our players move the ball before we’ve had a chance to set up to clog it up.

ironically we’re our own worst enemy when it comes to scoring.

 

[power09]

I noticed him 3 times handball to someones feet. The one Jones ****ed the kick up was a wines handball from 5 m that hit his ankles.. hits the target and who
Knows what happens with the kick..

Iv noticed this a lot this year, because its the one thing he should supposedly do well. cant kick, wont spread, cant chase. In tight he hardly ever wins a ground ball, seems to always be in the wrong position and then always gets beaten to the loose ball, doesnt apply any tackling pressure either.
If he manages to get the ball the handball accuracy is poor, you think you are being too harsh but then you see Butters and Rozee make it look so easy, not just hitting the target but putting it out infront to the players' advantage.

 

[cosmicwinduptoy]

From the outside butters and Houston are the clear front runners






Nah.

Was up against the competitions current best defender pretty much all game and turned as many of our sky high dump kicks into 50/50s as could be expected.

Wasn’t a great game but did as well as plenty of kfs have done against Moore with better service than what Todd got last night.

I'm not convinced Butters is 100%

He has completely died after half time in the last 2 matches.

Contrast that with earlier in the year when he was putting the team on his back in Q4

 

[Schulzenfest]

Boak is absolutely done.

Wines fall from grace has been astounding

Should be dropped for Jackson or Sinn.

Lol.

Wines played just about the worst game of his career last night and it was still twice as good as any game Sinn has ever played.

The logic of 'Wines isn't playing good footy by his standards, so we can get better by replacing him with an inexperienced teenager' is so flawed.

 

[The Hobo]

-Mckenzie on Elliot was weird decision early on and hurt

Most of his marks were on the lead to great delivery. Not many defenders stopping that

 

[The Hobo]

Rubbish: the two goals in the last quarter were both due to Evans.
Where SSP run onto is kick and the out of form Jeremy received his handball.

And X's goals was a result of Evans keeping the ball in play on the boudary line and handballing it to Rioli.

I thought Evans did a lot right - very involved and showed more than McEntee has for a number of weeks now.

Happy for him to keep his spot

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Lol.

Wines played just about the worst game of his career last night and it was still twice as good as any game Sinn has ever played.

The logic of 'Wines isn't playing good footy by his standards, so we can get better by replacing him with an inexperienced teenager' is so flawed.

Well wines was a teenager with 2 games once aswell.

My point is, he’s clearly not right, offering **** all so rest him.

Your mate Ollie lord would offer more right now

 

[JohnHinckleyJr]

Just saw a Melbourne player change direction on an out on the full - no call strange that

Did he run 30 Meters after a behind also

 

[MrMeaner]

At least pay these lol .. do we get our please explain league
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I know Farrell is getting a lot of heat on here but the first of these is nothing but an arm-chop. It’s a free kick every other day.

 

[It Just Is]

Would have loved to win but overall hard to be upset with how we play (other than a few poor set shots). Collingwood are a very good side and we showed that if they are slightly off we are capable of beating them.

SPP is one of the most popular players with natural fans because of games like last night. Such a leader on field.

I thought Rioli was genuinely excellent too.

 

[silverfingers]

No question Port was the better side all night. A couple of execution decisions and slightly better finishing and we win, and if the same rule applied to Elliot as it did to Aliir then we win. So nothing between the two teams in 2023.
Disappointing not to win, but right up to our necks in this years' flag.
A great game - the best for the season as expected.

 

[Port 2004]

Well wines was a teenager with 2 games once aswell.

My point is, he’s clearly not right, offering * all so rest him.

Your mate Ollie lord would offer more right now

Don’t argue with the expert PW. He knows everything.

 

[all seeing eye]

Big game, high pressure, with such a small margin you can focus on small moments, lack of composure, little skill errors, but I think it gets down really to that 3rd qtr where we had dominance in large parts but couldn't capitalise on it. You just have to kick them when it counts and this time we didnt.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Here comes the good old crows to give fans hope that their best is good enough, but falling just short

Kinda like us but a bit more shit

 

[Ah12]

Grundy has five years left on his seven year $950K contract.
Where the Pies are paying some of his salary but only while he plays for the Dees.

I imagine the dees will also pay his salary to offload him.