News Round 19:- Carlton v Geelong prematch discussion & changes.

[Mister Carlton]

Met his many a times and is a great bloke hahaha sure mate, you wouldnt have a clue what kind of bloke he is so dont go saying that shit like you know him. You obviously do have something personal against because even after probably his best game of the year you go and say oh he had a terrible game and hes not gonna make it, you dont have a clue mate.

Nothing personal once again.
Met him numerous times.
Don't like my opinion don't comment.
kthxbye

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Rest Judd and freshen him up for the following week, we will possibly get smashed by the Cats anyway. Season on the line against Port over there, need him at full capacity for that game.

 

[celtic_pride]

Get off it mate, you say get rid of army all the time. His effort tonight was great and his kicking was good aswell. He hit many a target, with some great long kicks and good handballs. Watch the game. He had the highest disposal effectiveness in the team for anyone over 19 possies. he had One bad kick in the game, so is that all that you watched and just base your post on looking at one kick?

It was more then one bad kick, maybe he just played a 'shocking' final quarter, which does tend to stick in one's mind, cause it is the most crucial quarter but 3 or 4 North goal scoring oppotunities came as a result of Armfield's poor decisions in the last quarter.
Geelong next week won't be as mercifiul if we keep turning the ball like that in the back half/defensive zone.
Criticism of Armfield's last quarter is more then justified.

And just on Five's earlier point, not happy with Fev's output either, but you know what, bad kicking at goal, is less crippling/damaging to the side then needless 'clangers'/turnovers in the backline that can result in goals for the opposittion.

 

[The Exorcist]

Gee JR did an awesome pass to Fev tonight DIDN'T HE CP!
Armfield's effort tonight was 100% commitment. Worked his ass off, won the ball. Did one bad kick out. Gibbs has done the same this year - want to drop him?
Call it how you see it CP not what you want to see.
Spark plug - like that term

Blue gunslinger you're completely wrong - JR"s pass to Fev was crap, Fev had to bend down ever so slightly to make sure it hit him lace out on the chest. From 65 metres out JR should've done a stab pass through the goal. Simple. Drop him.

As for Army, well, okay his intensity and run was there as always but his kicking was probably the best I've ever seen him kick - that pass to Stevo in the second resulted in a goal, but I'd drop him, delist him, and send him to Iraq without a gun.

Why? Why not

 

[celtic_pride]

You've made your point on Armfield and we've covered that, but to complain about Fev's output last night is just crazy.

Were you guys actually at the game?
Fev was running FF to wing, chasing harassing and tackling like there was no tomorrow.

If I had have worked as hard as he had, and been given constant shit disposal the way he had last night and then someone told me they were not happy with my output..........?
Let's say I would not be pleased.

Well fair enough, you are right about Fev's workrate and he got some pretty shit disposal thrown at him, but you have to admit he missed a couple of sitters that he normally could have drilled blind-folded.

Maybe it's just one of those games where the frustration just clouds my judgement after a performance like that, but from my point of view, it feels like a loss and god knows I'm expecting us to be smashed next week ...

We have been dreadfully out of form lately, and I think the 3 wins in a row before the Collingwood game are glossed over in the fact we played absolute garbage teams.

 

[The Coach]

Nothing personal once again.
Met him numerous times.
Don't like my opinion don't comment.
kthxbye

please don't think I am exclusively picking on you MC (CP is next below ) but are you saying that if people don't like what you post they should not reply. Am I right in thinking you are still school age and I should cut you some more slack

It was more then one bad kick, maybe he just played a 'shocking' final quarter, which does tend to stick in one's mind, cause it is the most crucial quarter but 3 or 4 North goal scoring oppotunities came as a result of Armfield's poor decisions in the last quarter.
Geelong next week won't be as mercifiul if we keep turning the ball like that in the back half/defensive zone.
Criticism of Armfield's last quarter is more then justified.

And just on Five's earlier point, not happy with Fev's output either, but you know what, bad kicking at goal, is less crippling/damaging to the side then needless 'clangers'/turnovers in the backline that can result in goals for the opposittion.

That is pretty much rubbish cp. A missed sitter by a player equates to a -5pts on our expected scoreboard (occasionally OOBonFull = -6) and it is also a turnover as the opposition gain possession of the ball.

A poor disposal by a defender may result in 0, -1 or -6 to our expected scoreboard when the opposition don't score, score a pt or score a goal. As on many occasions the clanger will not even result in an opposition shot on goal so at the very best you could give it a -3 average.

You do the maths as to which clanger hurts us more

 

[The Coach]

You've made your point on Armfield and we've covered that, but to complain about Fev's output last night is just crazy.

Were you guys actually at the game?
Fev was running FF to wing, chasing harassing and tackling like there was no tomorrow.

If I had have worked as hard as he had, and been given constant shit disposal the way he had last night and then someone told me they were not happy with my output..........?
Let's say I would not be pleased.

Fev seemed motivated by a dislike for Thompson's tactics but he should never have let a kid get in his head. Honestly I was wondering about the Fev fixing/gambling rumour he was kicking so badly early - even that amazing low banana goal had me wondering. It and a couple of other shots during the night were such low % of success choices, he was lairising - trying to give us too much talent to enjoy. In the 2nd Q the kid even had 7 possies to Fev's 2.

When Gibbsy and Murph decided it was going to be Carlton's party not Simpsons, Fev decided to rock along. His leading and marking was good throughout and he got a couple of tackling frees for nabbing sleepy North defenders (one was poorly executed actually as he knocked the ball out of the blokes hands and it should have been play on) but some of his kicking was almost inexplicable.

I thought the team disposal to Fev was good last night. I am not a Fev bagger as my Av and Sig would indicate and in the main I did sit back and enjoy his talent but very much wondered about his mental strength and what its ramifications are on the fortunes of Carlton

 

[blues_gibbzy]

Jamison for Austin: Straight swap
Grigg for Scotland: Straight swap
Yarran or Garlett (dependant on which game plan we wish to use) for Russell
Warnock for Hampson (If you can't do anything around the ground there is no value for you)

I know I'll get bagged for wanting Warnock and it is a huge gamble sure.
You'd need to allocate less than a half game to him, but the upside with taps to advantage may just work.
You may argue that Hampson rucked reasonably well last night, but neither he or Kreuzer rucked to any advantage again.
Does anyone else notice that Kreuzer spends more time watching his man in rucking contests than watching the ball?
The kid is stuffed. Wish we could afford him a rest.

We won the hitouts and you want to drop Hampson? he did hit it out to advantage(our midfielders fumbled a lot). Kreuzer was playing on H-Mac most of the night and he was beaten you wanna drop him? no. Warnock isn't even ready for AFL.


Now for my rambles.

Austin should stay in won't play on a ruckman next week. Armfield was the only one running it out of defence. Notice on kickouts we just chip it and were stagnant? Or we don't block the man on the mark like every other team do! Robinson may be the only change I would make even though you can see he trys his heart out and chases falt out.

 

[HBF]

If you look at our form over the past month or so, we haven't been that good at all, and what we really need to cut out of our game is turnovers. Watching that game last night, alot of the shots on goal that North Melbourne had were directly from our mistakes. There were also times when we just made the wrong decision by either hand or foot, and that cost us also.

The really good teams don't make these kinds of mistakes, and it is something that we just have to work on if we are going to go further up the ladder next year.

As for the Cats, I just can't see us winning this game. Our form is patchy, and unlike North Melbourne last night, they'll make us pay for our turnovers.

 

[celtic_pride]

Unbelievably bad, we have been.
Yes, we've won 4 from 5 but where has that early form gone?

I think I've listed my feelings elsewhere, but there does seem one other component that we have held in reserve: That is spirit.

I am O.K. if we don't execute perfect skills.
I am O.K. if we miss unmissable goals.
I am O.K. if we make horrible coaching mistakes.

I am not O.K. if we don't put our balls on the line and be prepared to spill blood.
That really hurts and I hope we, as a unit turn that around immediately.

I actually subscribe to the theory that we're a very young team/unit still, and that for the most part, the young players are 'running' out of legs/enegry as the season progresses, don't forget we're still the 3rd youngest team in the AFL in terms of age and games played I believe.

That is why I honestly think the AFL should scrap the pre-season comp and practise game circuit, and heaven help us all if they extend the season once GC17 and WSFC come in ...

It's been a long, grinding season, and I honestly feel you can see some of our players just 'tire' out, and I really wish they had two byes/split rounds per season.

Anyhow, I'm just viewing this year as an 'development/educational' season, and finals are a bonus.

They have a term for 'rookies' tiring out in the NBA, which is called 'hitting the wall' and I think that can apply for many of our youngsters, esp Kruezer, whom really should have a 'spell/rest' from the hardcore rucking duties for a couple of weeks IMHO.

I do think though we have to try and recuit an 'pacy' midfielder in the national draft though.

 

[mighty blues luke]

Just listened to Ratts press conference gave massive wraps to both Armfield and Hads for their performance so anyone who is listing them in the outs this week will automaticly be incorrect. Made a particular point on Hads and keep coming back to it so was obviously happy with his game (minus the error or two) Also made a point of mentioning Aussie and how well he stuck to his task. So for mine changes for next week

In: Jamo
Out: Inj Player or Sore player

 

[blues_gibbzy]

I knew I wouldn't be favoured for making that comment.
Sort of playing a little devils advocate and just wanted to see what others thought.

I have no problem with Austin, but he did get out marked and out muscled easily last night, didn't he?

Austin did get out muscled last night against Petrie He was giving away 12kgs! that is just a poor coaching move. Petrie was always going to be there go to man.

 

[The Coach]

I can't believe that we can't use a tall forward foil with Kreuzer, Hampson, bloody anyone sometimes.
We just keep kicking to Fev.
And where are all the smalls that should be at his feet?

Eddie was definitely off the boil

I have no problem with Austin, but he did get out marked and out muscled easily last night, didn't he?

Austin did get out muscled last night against Petrie He was giving away 12kgs! that is just a poor coaching move. Petrie was always going to be there go to man.

Early games I was sure Austin was going to be a player for us and I still think he will be with maturity but this is at least the second time he has been out-muscled (I remember posting it once before) I have to remind myself that although he is 93+ kg he is only 20yo

 

[jackoisno1]

OUT: O'hailpin Austin
IN: Cloke Jamison

 

[Gibba]

I was contemplating this after the game last night, will Geelong deliberately lose this game to keep Hawthorn out of the eight if Essendon wins this round?

 

[Alpha1]

Stating the obvious here, but Jamo is crucial for us to have a chance next week.
Our backline is lost without him and when we throw Thornton forward, we are gone.

We can win but under one condition only.
In gambling parlance, "Roll the dice"

The first half last night we played as though we were constipated.
Stopping and spluttering trying to find a way forward game plan, will kill us, whilst allowing the opposition to flood back on Fevola.

Mistakes aren't nearly as glaring and as painful when the team is running collectively and ideally through the centre.

It is funny that we take a soft and sure approach against teams that we should really beat, yet are prepared to go hell for leather against the likes of St. Kilda


Jamison for Austin: Straight swap
Grigg for Scotland: Straight swap
Yarran or Garlett (dependant on which game plan we wish to use) for Russell
Warnock for Hampson (If you can't do anything around the ground there is no value for you)

I know I'll get bagged for wanting Warnock and it is a huge gamble sure.
You'd need to allocate less than a half game to him, but the upside with taps to advantage may just work.
You may argue that Hampson rucked reasonably well last night, but neither he or Kreuzer rucked to any advantage again.
Does anyone else notice that Kreuzer spends more time watching his man in rucking contests than watching the ball?
The kid is stuffed. Wish we could afford him a rest.

Harker I think we should give Warnock two more games minimum in the reserves. Don't want him rushed back in, and from the sounds of last week he needs a lot of match fitness.

 

[The Bighouse]

Do we keep the same team? Do we make changes? Who comes in? And who goes out? Not looking forward to the Cats game, not after the way we have been playing.

For a moment I thought you were Brett Ratten in disguise with your posing questions.

As rightly said before; Armfield & Hadley were praised and won't be going anywhere next week. Both had some critical errors (Hadley more so) but did their jobs, and DA's efficiency, or lack of, is b/s from Friday's game.
Can't believe there are people listing JR for dropping.

Setanta will be better for the run, as he looked to be falling over and out of touch to the role he was impressing in before his injury time off. Was good to have him as another option to go back, as Austin should not have been on Petrie for obvious reasons.

Forward line is still a concern......as is our form. Not in the same class as teams above us on current displays as we're just keeping up with the lower ranking teams, teams we should be putting the boot in against by 10 goals i.e. SYD game.
Any fast flowing, effective football seems to be in too little bursts, and we seem to be forever giving the opposition a decent head start (STK: 5 goals, FRE: 6 goals, COLL: 5 goals and again gave NM 3 goals advantage last night).

Well done Gibbsy last night.

 

[juddsentant517]

still think we are a much better team with garlett in there, out forward pressure is a hell of a lot better when he is in the team, and we look better with two small forwards, hopefully grigg plays a blinder. At the game i thought hadley was dreadful, especially that kick in the defensive fifty, but thenj again i didnt notice him blocking for judd. Cloke is making it extremelyy difficult for us not to pick him. and jamo is obviously a must.

i'd go

ins- Jamo, Garlett and cloke if he kicks another bag tommorow
out- scotland (unfortunently is now a liability) AJ (seems worn out) and houlahan maybe i dno. Grigg also is in our best 22. We hae a bit of depth ladies and gentlemen


btw i would like to see the match commitee treat this game as a loss, so we dont go soft with team selection

 

[Tanks_Alot]

The reason for our fluctuating form over the last few weeks is probably because we've made so many changes each week. Some were forced but nearly every week someone gets dropped and when their replacement doesn't perform everyone wants him dropped to. Players need time to settle in and get used to play alongside each other.

Keep Austin in, he was beaten for height against ruckman for most of the night. Believe me if Hartlett was't injured and he ended up playing causing Aussie to miss, do you think he would have done a better job?

 

[The Coach]

I was contemplating this after the game last night, will Geelong deliberately lose this game to keep Hawthorn out of the eight if Essendon wins this round?

You are not a gibbon (can remember laying this insult recently ) - you are a thinker. Do you think that Geelong will think of it too

 

[chaser1]

Yes, there lies our problem. They don"t take the opposition on, WHY? I tend to think Game Plan. I don't mind watching us take more risks, especially through the middle, and backline.When we get behind then they start attacking taking more risks bc they have no choice. It seems like at times we are not united, playing more as individuals, rather than a team.

Interesting do Presidents often sit in the coaches box behind the coach? Bc Kernahan is?

 

[Alpha1]

Well I don't want Essendon making the eight, but I don't want whoreton making it either. It's a dilemma I tell you, what should I do? It's tearing me asunder.

 

[laminex]

Out: Austin, Robinson, Joseph
In: Jamison, Grigg, Wiggins

O'hAilpin's in backline on Hawkins
Wiggins at CHF leading Mackie up the ground, Fevola in the goalsquare exploiting a Scarlett and Taylor-less Geelong

Is this guy a troll or does he know nothing about footy?

 

[Tanks_Alot]

Well I don't want Essendon making the eight, but I don't want whoreton making it either. It's a dilemma I tell you, what should I do? It's tearing me asunder.

I'd much rather those arrogant Bummers miss. Those guys have to be amongst the dumbest people I've come across.

They finished 11th last year and seeing them climb only 2 spots will shut them up about their so called 'huge improvement'.

 

[Alpha1]

Is this guy a troll or does he know nothing about footy?

KM does indeed look like a troll, should have seen his effort on Bay 13 trolling us.