Preview Round 2, 2022: Port v Hawthorn, AO 7.40pm, Saturday 26th March

[Hawthorn23]

I thought MacDonald play better than Ward in the game against Kangas

I don't disagree, just think positionally it makes more sense

 

[Tanami]

I expect the long sleeve and locks to be booed.
Lets hope he has a ripper game.
If Gunston, bruest, Winguard , and Lewis all click eventually they will be a hard match up.
I'm hoping Brockman can get the consistency and break in to this forward line as he is exciting to watch.
Does anyone know how he played at BH on the weekend?

 

[lethalselbow]

I expect the long sleeve and locks to be booed.
Lets hope he has a ripper game.
If Gunston, bruest, Winguard , and Lewis all click eventually they will be a hard match up.
I'm hoping Brockman can get the consistency and break in to this forward line as he is exciting to watch.
Does anyone know how he played at BH on the weekend?

Match Report: North Melbourne vs Box Hill - Box Hill Hawks

Box Hill applied the finishing touches to it’s pre-season preparations on Sunday, defeating North Melbourne by 37-points in the Club’s fourth and final practice match ahead of round one. Senior Coach Clint Proctor called on his strongest line-up of the season to date, with 10 AFL-listed Hawks...

boxhillhawks.com.au

Not sure Brockman was playing.

 

[KermitJagger]

Match Report: North Melbourne vs Box Hill - Box Hill Hawks

Box Hill applied the finishing touches to it’s pre-season preparations on Sunday, defeating North Melbourne by 37-points in the Club’s fourth and final practice match ahead of round one. Senior Coach Clint Proctor called on his strongest line-up of the season to date, with 10 AFL-listed Hawks...

boxhillhawks.com.au

Not sure Brockman was playing.

Every time Howe plays at VFL level he's always far too good, I understand he's maligned by a lot of supporters here but I feel if we cut him loose he would have a Ricky Henderson style impact at another club.

 

[cryptor]

Every time Howe plays at VFL level he's always far too good, I understand he's maligned by a lot of supporters here but I feel if we cut him loose he would have a Ricky Henderson style impact at another club.

He has a Ricky Henderson style impact at this club.

 

[Lotus]

Match Report: North Melbourne vs Box Hill - Box Hill Hawks

Box Hill applied the finishing touches to it’s pre-season preparations on Sunday, defeating North Melbourne by 37-points in the Club’s fourth and final practice match ahead of round one. Senior Coach Clint Proctor called on his strongest line-up of the season to date, with 10 AFL-listed Hawks...

boxhillhawks.com.au

Not sure Brockman was playing.

He wasn't. He's watching the game with several other Hawks players like Downie, Josh Morris, Bramble, etc. I can't remember who else was there, but very small number.

 

[Tanami]

Thank you for the update Lethal's Elbow.
Must be sore ?
Not on the Hawks listed injury list.

 

[parsons nose]

What did Nash do wrong? Rucked, tackling beast and great in the midfield. You are a harsh marker.

Great by his standards but then we afford him much more slack than Tom Mitchell for example when it comes to the assessment of a great game. If their outputs were reversed we’d be anointing Nash as the second coming and consigning Mitchell to the dustbin of football history. Great in the midfield by his standards, unremarkable by the standards of rank and file AFL midfielders. That he is frequently conferred the title tackling beast, is a red flag for mine. The inference is that the attributes normally attributed an accomplished mid; poise, reading the game and efficient disposal, are, in short supply. I’ll stand up and take note when he emulates a bloke like Jack Viney. Meanwhile Kosi is fast becoming the forgotten man of the HFC.

 

[Deliverance]

I'd go in unchanged if you didn't have Day and Breust waiting in the wings.

However:
IN: Breust, McEvoy, Day
OUT: MacDonald, Lynch, Maginness

I think C-Mac and Finn are super stiff, but are both expendable to the class the guys above bring.

It won't happen, but I wouldn't be playing McEvoy personally if he wasn't the captain. I liked our team balance in the second half with Nashy in the ruck a lot.

This is most likley due to like for like positional changes.

 

[burger09]

He wasn't. He's watching the game with several other Hawks players like Downie, Josh Morris, Bramble, etc. I can't remember who else was there, but very small number.

Yep, Butler and O'Hara were with them also.

 

[threesixpio]

I personally think we need to go in with

Unnamed, Unnamed and Unnamed

Hard to say who goes out but Id say

Unnamed, Unnamed and Unnamed

 

[Tassie Cryptik]

Great by his standards but then we afford him much more slack than Tom Mitchell for example when it comes to the assessment of a great game. If their outputs were reversed we’d be anointing Nash as the second coming and consigning Mitchell to the dustbin of football history. Great in the midfield by his standards, unremarkable by the standards of rank and file AFL midfielders. That he is frequently conferred the title tackling beast, is a red flag for mine. The inference is that the attributes normally attributed an accomplished mid; poise, reading the game and efficient disposal, are, in short supply. I’ll stand up and take note when he emulates a bloke like Jack Viney. Meanwhile Kosi is fast becoming the forgotten man of the HFC.

Did Tom Mitchell ruck?

 

[JaegarTime]

There were a few players who played out of position where players could play that role better.

Shiels on a wing for example, think Day could come in and he/Jiath/Scrimshaw type could go to a wing and do it better.

Nash was decent in the guts but Maginness could probably do similar (It'd be a risk but) to get Breust back in forward which would release some class upfield in MacDonald and Wingard, it'd be worth it.

I highly doubt Nash is going to get dropped for Maginess as much as you want it to happen

 

[parsons nose]

Did Tom Mitchell ruck?

Let’s be honest here. Who is the better relieving ruckman; Lewis or Nash? It’s not like he’s getting a game because of his ruck prowess.

 

[Topiary]

Don’t get the drop shiels calls. He was more than serviceable. The arguments that shiels is old so should be dropped are irrelevant when you have such a young 22. Should be dropping guys on performance or for team balance.

The bold call would be to drop chad for Breust and probably worpel for day (we have too many mids).

The even bolder call would be to not bring back BB and stick with the one ruck (if reeves pulls up okay).

Makes too many disposal mistakes

 

[WWSD]

With Reeves playing at AFL level, and Lynch unavailable. Who plays in the ruck for Box Hill, Callow?

Any word on Downie? He isn’t listed on the injury list.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I highly doubt Nash is going to get dropped for Maginess as much as you want it to happen

It's between the two and i don't really mind who tbh, but i think it'd benefit the team and structure if it did.

 

[Tassie Cryptik]

Let’s be honest here. Who is the better relieving ruckman; Lewis or Nash? It’s not like he’s getting a game because of his ruck prowess.

Who plays FF if Lewis rucks?

 

[hawkman]

Let’s be honest here. Who is the better relieving ruckman; Lewis or Nash? It’s not like he’s getting a game because of his ruck prowess.

Who is your key forward if Lewis has to ruck?

 

[hawkman]

We are going pretty short currently as we are effectively playing 7 key talls (2 of which would be classed as undersized) Frost, DGB, Sicily, Gunston, Lewis and the 2 rucks. Unless you have a tall medical sub waiting, any injury to those and we are in trouble. If Nash continues to be a solid mid and that is all he was on Sunday, it gives us coverage if one goes down. I see it more as a Kosi v Nash selection at this stage rather than a Nash v another mid to come in.

 

[KermitJagger]

Great by his standards but then we afford him much more slack than Tom Mitchell for example when it comes to the assessment of a great game. If their outputs were reversed we’d be anointing Nash as the second coming and consigning Mitchell to the dustbin of football history. Great in the midfield by his standards, unremarkable by the standards of rank and file AFL midfielders. That he is frequently conferred the title tackling beast, is a red flag for mine. The inference is that the attributes normally attributed an accomplished mid; poise, reading the game and efficient disposal, are, in short supply. I’ll stand up and take note when he emulates a bloke like Jack Viney. Meanwhile Kosi is fast becoming the forgotten man of the HFC.

Your arguments are weird for a few reasons -

1. The forward line functioned well without Kosi so it serves no purpose to bring him in
2. Our midfield unit worked better with Nash in it so it serves no purpose to remove him
3. Nash was able to cover ruck, forward, midfield and defence when required which is something Mitchell is incapable of
4. He is not competing for the same spot nor playing the same role as Mitchell so their difference in output means nothing
5. Nash's disposal, when he got it, was 100 percent effective and 50% of the time involved in a scoring chain - which would suggest poise, ability to read the game and efficiency

You don't like him, and can give no decent reason besides some apples to oranges comparison with Tom Mitchell. You're singling out one game where his disposal output was low, despite him getting it 24 times in our pre-season match, and averaging over 20 disposals when moved into the midfield late last season. You're also not recognising that he was moved around significantly in this game to cover gaps in ruck, fwd and defence which would have impacted his output.

 

[Slainte]

We are going pretty short currently as we are effectively playing 7 key talls (2 of which would be classed as undersized) Frost, DGB, Sicily, Gunston, Lewis and the 2 rucks. Unless you have a tall medical sub waiting, any injury to those and we are in trouble. If Nash continues to be a solid mid and that is all he was on Sunday, it gives us coverage if one goes down. I see it more as a Kosi v Nash selection at this stage rather than a Nash v another mid to come in.

Kosi vs Nash is ridiculous. Nash has demonstrated he can impact in the rotations. Kosi hasn't even been tried in the midfield. Equally, Nash has demonstrated he is ineffectual as a KPF. They are no way interchangeable.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Your arguments are weird for a few reasons -

1. The forward line functioned well without Kosi so it serves no purpose to bring him in
2. Our midfield unit worked better with Nash in it so it serves no purpose to remove him
3. Nash was able to cover ruck, forward, midfield and defence when required which is something Mitchell is incapable of
4. He is not competing for the same spot nor playing the same role as Mitchell so their difference in output means nothing
5. Nash's disposal, when he got it, was 100 percent effective and 50% of the time involved in a scoring chain - which would suggest poise, ability to read the game and efficiency

You don't like him, and can give no decent reason besides some apples to oranges comparison with Tom Mitchell. You're singling out one game where his disposal output was low, despite him getting it 24 times in our pre-season match, and averaging over 20 disposals when moved into the midfield late last season. You're also not recognising that he was moved around significantly in this game to cover gaps in ruck, fwd and defence which would have impacted his output.

Nash wasn't able to cover forward cause he basically went missing the entire time he was down there, he was good as a pure mid and was decent as a ruck, didn't go as a defender.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Truly odd that some people are so determined to prove that we should drop a player who went at 100% DE, laid 7 tackles, 23 pressure acts and had 5 score involvements from his 10 touches. Some people need to accept that their whipping boy/s of choice do improve and are playing their role. See also - Harry Morrison

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Harry Morrison

Age

26

Ht

184cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

13.4

3star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

3star

CL

0.8

3star

D

18.4

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

7.0

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.2

4star

CL

2.0

4star

.

 

[KermitJagger]

Nash wasn't able to cover forward cause he basically went missing the entire time he was down there, he was good as a pure mid and was decent as a ruck, didn't go as a defender.

Laid 2 tackles I50, saved a goal by getting a finger on it in defence. He spent a small amount of time on opponents that went forward, and went forward himself to provide some pressure. I'd like him to spend more time in the midfield but the fact that he was able to do other things on the ground is why his output was lowered.