Preview Round 2, 2022: Port v Hawthorn, AO 7.40pm, Saturday 26th March

[CaptainWorpedo]

That's the thing though - if Day and Breust are back and Worpel stays in the side it would likely be at the expense of one of DGB, MacDonald or Finn you would imagine. I don't see Shiels being dropped after a 25 disposal game - even though I would prefer him to make way for youth players. I think all of DGB, MacDonald, Finn and Ward all had better games compared to Worps - and it's now a bit of a run of poor form coming out of the pre-season. I think he could benefit from the tough love and maybe prove himself again at Box Hill for a couple of weeks and the younger players who are having better games than him should be rewarded for their efforts.

Just watched the replay, Ward hurt his ankel with a few minutes to go.

Worpel is a part of our future, an his motivated to improve. We need our new midfield to grow together and know each other, just like Hodge, Mitchell and Lewis did.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Just watched the replay, Ward hurt his ankel with a few minutes to go.

No. It was cramp.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Just watched the replay, Ward hurt his ankel with a few minutes to go.

Worpel is a part of our future, an his motivated to improve. We need our new midfield to grow together and know each other, just like Hodge, Mitchell and Lewis did.

I don't disagree with Worpel being part of the future - I don't think he should be banished from the side. I am just wondering out loud if a spell at Box Hill could do him some good to fight his way back into the side on form as opposed to name.

 

[Dlm888]

In : BB, Breust
Out: Finn, Lynch

Phillips to start on the ground. Maybe Ward to be the sub.

 

[Yardie]

You are probably right but I think the mountain of work he has done in the preseason and the effort he applied in the match should be reward with a decent go in the seniors. More than anything else, he needs continuity of football to develop as he hasn’t had it in the first two years on the list.

I think that Finn stays in due to his endurance. An average disposal when everyone is fresh becomes a good disposal when everyone is tired.

 

[Bugs1977]

If that was his role as instructed by Sam though then that's what he does. Being at the ground yesterday I noticed Jaeger a lot more than I did Worpel despite their similar disposal numbers. Not saying his game was stellar by any stretch - but I wouldn't be dropping players based on an output:wages basis. Worpel was likely the lowest ranked of the 22 non-concussed we had play yesterday. I think he should be providing more than that and that younger players who performed better on the day shouldn't be dropped before him.

It's hard to tell from watching on TV but it seemed like both Worps + JOM spent a fair bit more time forward which was likely to allow Newk + Ward to play on ball. This could likely explain why both Worps + JOM looked so out of form as both are not natural spending time up forward. Not looking for excuses for either but just rather a reason as to why both looked out of sorts. Both players instincts is to hunt the ball and are likely being asked to adjust to something that is very foreign to them. Hopefully this is something they can workout sooner rather than later. Being at the ground live what did it seem like was happening out there Ned Ryerson? Forward midfield split time on ground for both??

 

[kirbatron]

I'm nervicited

 

[Blackhawk42]

Forgot about Morrison. Happy to drop him. Don't understand the persistence we have put in him TBH. Dime a dozen who doesn't offer much imo

Best candy seller at the club.

Career best season coming up.

 

[HedgeFund]

JOM and Mitchell and Worps have played a lot of games together.
Why hasn't there been a synergy developed?
People want to send him to BH after RD 1.
I'de be asking why hasn't these 3 grown together as a UNIT.
We look back to our successful period and the 3 of Lewis, Hodge, Mitchell ...worked in tandem.= amazing players amazing unit
Its been too long now to see Mitchell, JOM and Worp's all play together...but be so individual from game to game.
So we punish Worp ????
I think its time we ask questions if this midfield doesn't click by rd 5-6

The issue is all three are very similar type players. Short, stocky and pretty ordinary by foot.

They’re also all ball hunters. So none of them are willing to sacrifice/block for a team mate at a stoppage, because they all want a lick of the ice cream.

We need different sizes in our stoppage set up, and at this stage Nash is the bigger/taller option we are experimenting with.

Shield isn’t an inside ball hunter, he’s a block for an opponent / first receive / run-carry-link up player. More importantly he is a far more defensively minded player than those three.

Newcombe is rapidly becoming a lock for best 22, and our other midfield options have better speed/skill.

Mitchell getting dropped is nuts and Jaeger covers more ground and is considered by the coaching staff to show enough leadership to be our vice captain.

So if we wish to show faith in the young kids, and set an example that poor form won’t be carried, the logical decision is to send Worpel to BHH.

Sam would no doubt expect him to work in his defensive side, spread from stoppages, disposal by foot and earn that spot back.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

It's hard to tell from watching on TV but it seemed like both Worps + JOM spent a fair bit more time forward which was likely to allow Newk + Ward to play on ball. This could likely explain why both Worps + JOM looked so out of form as both are not natural spending time up forward. Not looking for excuses for either but just rather a reason as to why both looked out of sorts. Both players instincts is to hunt the ball and are likely being asked to adjust to something that is very foreign to them. Hopefully this is something they can workout sooner rather than later. Being at the ground live what did it seem like was happening out there Ned Ryerson? Forward midfield split time on ground for both??

To be brutally honest I barely saw much of Worps yesterday - nothing that I noticed. Potentially he was playing on the opposite side of the ground to my seats though so I didn't get the best view of his off the ball work.

I absolutely saw Jaeger doing some work inside 50 - particularly when we were setting up for entries he would be getting to work off the ball and using his body cleverly to create space for the forwards. Someone else mentioned it in the autopsy thread also. There was one goal in particular in the second quarter I think that I was remarking to a mate that it was basically all Jaeger's work that allowed us to take the mark and get the goal - but he wouldn't get any stats for the effort.

Those who are better acquainted with the AFL stats could maybe post both of their heat maps to give an indication where they spent their game. Worth noting that Jaeger had 14 pressure acts also.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

They’re also all ball hunters. So none of them are willing to sacrifice/block for a team mate at a stoppage, because they all want a lick of the ice cream.

Worth noting that I don't think Jaeger was playing this role yesterday as mentioned in a few posts now - so possibly this is a deliberate tactic by Sam knowing that the old midfield chemistry wasn't working.

 

[Mojo]

Yes, those little GPS packs that go in the back of the neck of each jumper.

Ahhhhhhhh, I thought they were Up-and-Go's for when they get hungry.

 

[Tanami]

The midfield is going to be an interesting watch for the next few rounds. Wines and Boak
had quiet games by their standards so I expect them to come out asserting their authority. We don't have a "stopper" so it's going to take a Team effort to stop their influence. Gunston might get an old team mate as his opponent.

 

[SA HAWK]

Their backline looks like it will be decimated this week.

Have to be a real chance.

 

[SA HAWK]

The midfield is going to be an interesting watch for the next few rounds. Wines and Boak
had quiet games by their standards so I expect them to come out asserting their authority. We don't have a "stopper" so it's going to take a Team effort to stop their influence. Gunston might get an old team mate as his opponent.

Maybe Nash could get the job?

 

[Bugs1977]

To be brutally honest I barely saw much of Worps yesterday - nothing that I noticed. Potentially he was playing on the opposite side of the ground to my seats though so I didn't get the best view of his off the ball work.

I absolutely saw Jaeger doing some work inside 50 - particularly when we were setting up for entries he would be getting to work off the ball and using his body cleverly to create space for the forwards. Someone else mentioned it in the autopsy thread also. There was one goal in particular in the second quarter I think that I was remarking to a mate that it was basically all Jaeger's work that allowed us to take the mark and get the goal - but he wouldn't get any stats for the effort.

Those who are better acquainted with the AFL stats could maybe post both of their heat maps to give an indication where they spent their game. Worth noting that Jaeger had 14 pressure acts also.

So its obvious that looking at the boxscore just isn't going to cut it when assessing certain players new roles. I think the huge part of the problem is that some will look at his disposal count and see that certain players aren't getting their usual 24-27 possessions and assume they've had a sh*t game. At the end of the day not everyone is going to look good out there especially while we're trying to incorporate a new game plan under a new coach and filter in 2-3 rookies every week. Also probably worth noting that its likely no coincidence that guys that have played under Sam at BH like Newk and Nash had decent games yesterday.

 

[Yardie]

I think that it is really important for Howe to come back into the team. The scattergun approach at potting players is making everyone lose focus……


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[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Does Hartigan come in?

Howe sounded like he played well at BH and feel he would be an upgrade on Finn.

 

[RX Hawk]

Not sure that Finn would be well served with an omission after the sheer volume of work he did in a win today. I honestly don’t think we can carry Mitchell and Worpel in the same side at present - both are painfully slow to chase and I’m sick of watching teams just blitz through us if we turn it over trying to get it inside 50. Mitchell did some frustrating (saw him just get brushed past and then just stop chasing at one point in the third and for one of our leaders I thought it was absolutely slack) things today but Worpel probably needs a spell to find his touch again coming off a poor practice match also.

In: McEvoy, Breust, Day
Out: Worpel, Lynch, Phillips

Shiels as sub. Let the youth get another shot at it.

Yes totally agree with your comment on Mitchell incident which I also observed. He and Worpel both get caught with the ball often too.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Just wanted to swing by and mention how good of a win that was over the weekend, youngest side Hawthorn have fielded since Alastair Clarkson's first game as Senior Coach.

This is how a rebuild is done, this is how a Footy club is run. You have so much to be excited as a Hawthorn supporter and I can't see regression prior to progression.

 

[flinchfree]

If Day comes in, the reality is he'd probably replace either Finn (Finn was playing Day's best role most of the day) OR Ward/MacDonald because they can still comfortably develop in the VFL - or potentially to rest Ward because he pulled up sore.

Would hate to see any of those things happen, but that's how it'll likely work out.

I think this will happen.

BB and Breust in, Lynchy and Ward out.
Day to get another run for Box Hill, reckon It would be good to see him pull up without soreness multiple weeks in games we can easily manage his minutes than put him directly in high intesity/high physicality of AFL

 

[moginie]

DGB vs Georgiades.

Bring it.

 

[RX Hawk]

JOM and Mitchell and Worps have played a lot of games together.
Why hasn't there been a synergy developed?
People want to send him to BH after RD 1.
I'de be asking why hasn't these 3 grown together as a UNIT.
We look back to our successful period and the 3 of Lewis, Hodge, Mitchell ...worked in tandem.= amazing players amazing unit
Its been too long now to see Mitchell, JOM and Worp's all play together...but be so individual from game to game.
So we punish Worp ????
I think its time we ask questions if this midfield doesn't click by rd 5-6

All three of them were below par in their expected performance most of the last year too. They are seniors of the team and sometimes I feel they don't carry the necessary weight. This will definitely be a decisive year for one or two of them as Sam will not tolerate as much as Clarko.

 

[Pinoy Hawk]

Trent McKenzie

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Trent Mckenzie

Age

32

Ht

191cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

305.7

4star

D

12.1

3star

K

10.6

4star

HB

1.6

1star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.1

2star

MG

290.6

4star

D

16.8

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.8

5star

still an outside chance.

 

[GOHORCS]

Mitch Lewis 13km - wow

Lewis still had it on from training and walked to the game.
He did well today.

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