Autopsy Round 23 Review - Saints second half demolishes the Kitty Cats

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

with adelaide losing there was no chance we could have finished below them anyway to snag Draper, so at this point the difference between finishing 5th - 8th (compared to 4th) isn't as pronounced. We'll still land 2 gooduns, and we'll probably jump melbourne at this rate and get the 8th pick.

also nothing will make me happier than stopping carlton from making finals hahaha, flogs, legit thought they were gonna snag a flag earlier this year, if they don't even make the finals

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

this was always the thing to be wary of if it's true

sounds great, why report to inferior operators, if we make finals next year and retain our players clearly he's doing a good job, f the bureaucracy

 

[MrFoster]

sounds great, why report to inferior operators, if we make finals next year and retain our players clearly he's doing a good job, f the bureaucracy

Lethlean was not a football person.. ran the football department with amatures: Richo, Ratten, Elshaugh, Gallagher, Mission, it’s a miracle we even made finals in 2020.

 

[jwint43]

Absolutely great win.
Plenty to digest.
Hill injury sours it a bit.

Chris Scott is such a ****ing sore loser.
"Marvel Specialists". Guess what numbnuts. It's called "Home Ground Advantage". Bit like what you get at that shit heap out the back of bum**** nowhere.

Imagine having the only true home ground advantage in Victoria and still complaining

 

[Plugger35]

I'm Just watching the Kayo Mini repeat, great to watch, not great to listen to with Luke Darcy's screeching commentary though.

At least Joel Selwood didn't say much in the second half, maybe they just edited his bits out, he featured more in the first half.

 

[sverik25]

Feel like we're finally starting to see the fitness the team has which was lauded during preseason.

Our last quarters recently have been pretty good.
We finished all over Geelong this week, Richmond last week, Essendon, West Coast and Sydney before that.

I notice once again last night we also outran Geelong on Telstra Tracker.

The high fitness standards of the group should only drive higher standards this preseason and into next year.

 

[Saint12]

Just got home from the game.....what a game....commiseration to those that were wanting a loss

 

[Plugger35]

Feel like we're finally starting to see the fitness the team has which was lauded during preseason.

Our last quarters recently have been pretty good.
We finished all over Geelong this week, Richmond last week, Essendon, West Coast and Sydney before that.

I notice once again last night we also outran Geelong on Telstra Tracker.

The high fitness standards of the group should only drive higher standards this preseason and into next year.

We were pretty fit when Misson was in charge of fitness back in RTB's first stint as coach.

It probably helps that Robert Harvey is an assistant coach, he could teach our players a thing or two about running hard.

I don't think Wilson needs too many tips though, he could run hard all game right from the get go, he's a running machine.

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[TheJackal]

with adelaide losing there was no chance we could have finished below them anyway to snag Draper, so at this point the difference between finishing 5th - 8th (compared to 4th) isn't as pronounced. We'll still land 2 gooduns, and we'll probably jump melbourne at this rate and get the 8th pick.

also nothing will make me happier than stopping carlton from making finals hahaha, flogs, legit thought they were gonna snag a flag earlier this year, if they don't even make the finals

Even if it means the Filth get into the finals instead?

 

[Saint12]

Put King at CHF and Sharman FF with Hammer floating... we will be a seriously good team in 25

 

[Hubnester]

Finally home, long long day but so very worth it. Well done to the crowd for getting up and about for this one

Does anyone know what the deal was with the yellow hats in the cheer squad?

They were 'RSEA' hard hats

 

[Teflon]

All the bleaters that dominant this forum going on about “the list” and “our shit midfield” constantly, I hope this match makes you revisit your defeatist opinions.

The sport now is about ball-movement, decision-making under pressure, and the ability for a coaching group to create a system that trains their players to execute all of the above.

It’s why you see a team like Hawthorn, with an ordinary list, catapult up the ladder: they are brilliantly coached.

Stop giving our coaches an out constantly by blaming the list.

Nights like tonight show that we can match it with anyone if our ball movement and system are right.

A very exciting win and I hope the whole club can use it to go into next year with the hope of winning the whole thing.

A Premiership has to be the aim every year. Stop being such defeatists about our list.

Tonight was a shining light in a bitterly disappointing year.

But hopefully it’s the start of something big for the whole club and the coaches understand the formula that brings success in the modern game.

Exciting stuff.

Right so it’s great list when we play like that and win
But all losses are from port coaching
Get a new tune bud this one’s old

 

[Teflon]

Have never understood why the media pundits love talking up Tom Stewart. The dude is garbage, thanks for the win ahole

He’s not garbage but a tad overrated for mine
Wilkie gets less talked about and a much better player imo

 

[Teflon]

Geelong allowed us to play well according to Daisy

He’s a very very poor commentator ole Daisy
Front runner just like his playing days…

 

[Ads734]

The question should not be not be if we should trade King, it should be how do we add king in an gain an extra three goals a game.

 

[Ads734]

Seriously Erin Phillips was garbage around the grounds tonight.

 

[seasonedsainter]

Fell in love with Wilson tonight.

We've found one with Garcia.

My favourite player right now is Cooper Sharman. I love how he goes about it. Always in there congratulating his teammates. Gives 100%. Is only going to get better. Big Max could learn a thing or two from him as far as body language goes.

Stocker was important.

Wilkie is an absolute gun.

Great game day coaching from Lyon.

It’s almost like we need to put Sharman’s personality and intent into King’s frame and we’d have a full blown generational player.



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[Munga]

Final siren sounds are Wilson looks like he could go another four quarters of footy.

 

[Sol Goodman]

The question should not be not be if we should trade King, it should be how do we add king in an gain an extra three goals a game.

He has to get physically fit and bulky and strong so he can hit packs with confidence. Look at Marshall, what a confidence player he is now, just goes for everything. If Max can get to that strength and level of confidence he can be number 1.

 

[Oh When the Saints]

Feel like we're finally starting to see the fitness the team has which was lauded during preseason.

Our last quarters recently have been pretty good.
We finished all over Geelong this week, Richmond last week, Essendon, West Coast and Sydney before that.

I notice once again last night we also outran Geelong on Telstra Tracker.

The high fitness standards of the group should only drive higher standards this preseason and into next year.

We have won more last quarters than any team except the Swans.

 

[Oh When the Saints]

5 losses under 10 points. Find 3 wins from those 5 and we are sitting in 6th, same position as last year. Very fine line between success and failure in 2024.

We have managed to improve our offensive game significantly in the second half of the season which is really positive. Our forward line of a finally fit Membrey, Sharman and Owens with a fit Higgins and Butler has been dangerous, mobile and unpredictable to the opposition. Credit to the coaches for being able to meaningfully find ways to score more during the season.

 

[bergholt]

He was supposed to report to Geoff Walsh - wasn’t interested in what Walsh had to say so Walsh walked.

Wouldn’t answer to Lethlean so Bassat ultimately sided with RTB & Lethlean was moved on.

I am a big RTB supporter but he should be questioned and be accountable not just to the President

I don't agree with this.

The coach lives and dies on the success of the team. He'll be judged clearly on a weekly basis. It's the most accountable role you could imagine regardless of bureaucrats who want him to be technically "accountable" to a Head of Footy or something.

This is the sort of thing people say to sound smart because they've only worked in big companies or government, where everyone reports to everyone and sits on committees and goes through due process and worries about stakeholder management and no-one gets anything done.

Bassat is fundamentally an entrepreneur (ignore current day Seek when publicly listed and focus on the early 00s when a startup). That's a very different space. When you're running a startup everyone's on the same page - this thing has to succeed or it dies. Reporting lines don't matter or even exist. Everyone is accountable to the market, in exactly the same way as RTB being accountable to on-field results.

There's an important concept in startups called task-relevant maturity, which came from a book by Andy Grove (ex CEO of Intel). It basically says that someone needs detailed micromanagement if they're new to a specific role, they have low TRM. In that case they should be managed by someone who's more expert on it than they are, with multiple daily checkins to keep them performing and learning, and they can only make simple decisions with time horizons of hours or days.

But as their maturity in the role grows, they need less and less of this. At medium TRM you might check in with them once every couple of days or week, and delegate to them goals and decisions with longer time horizons.

And at high TRM they're running the show themselves. The manager is there for advice but essentially the person is doing it all themselves. Agree goals up front - push them on that - and get the hell out of the way. The person lives and dies based on whether they achieve the pre-agreed goals, or whether they can defend not having done so.

RTB should be accountable to the goals the board and president set for him. He should have a structure around him to make sure that long-term thinking is still in place with list management; that he can work together with senior leaders of other functions around him; that he can defend or expain his decisions if asked; but ultimately he shouldn't have roadblocks or heavy process in his day-to-day or week-to-week or month-to-month coaching and man management.

I think Bassat gets this because he's fundamentally not a bureaucrat, and I think it's misunderstood by supporters who fundamentally are.

 

[saintbill]

Just finished watching the replay. Best half of footy all year.

Just outworked them, couldn't keep up with our running power. Great footy.

This list is not as bad as we make out. Any team with Wilkie, Marshall & Sinclair has the foundations of a good side.

Midfield held up well. If only Clark could run out a full game! That is the Zac Jones we have been missing.

Garcia will be a player. Wilson is a gun. A full season from Pou in the middle and we could be dangerous next year.

 

[austinnn]

Even if it means the Filth get into the finals instead?

Absolutely!

 

[Sarcoidevo]

5 losses under 10 points. Find 3 wins from those 5 and we are sitting in 6th, same position as last year. Very fine line between success and failure in 2024.

We have managed to improve our offensive game significantly in the second half of the season which is really positive. Our forward line of a finally fit Membrey, Sharman and Owens with a fit Higgins and Butler has been dangerous, mobile and unpredictable to the opposition. Credit to the coaches for being able to meaningfully find ways to score more during the season.

6 losses by 10pts or less