Preview Round 3, 2022: Blues v Hawks, 1:10pm Sunday 3rd April, MCG

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Taller people generally have a harder time showing muscle gains. They have more area for the muscle to cover. So won’t look as muscular as someone shorter than them but can still have them covered comfortably with muscle mass.

And with identical looking builds the taller person has more muscle mass.

Saying this height is a disadvantage in the weight room due to torque factors. Plus needing to eat so much to gain mass.
Not to pick on you here as nothing you say is wrong but performance is not dictated by muscle mass alone so generalising height equals more mass equals more strength might be broadly true but not likely to be true among athletes of a similar class.

This theory has been tested in endurance running where you see a diverse height range among competitors. There are trade offs between height and weight plus other anatomical features of individuals which mean within a class you can see different people perform to the same level.

In strength terms you have guys like Martin and hodge that were just stronger than others in certain conditions than others if different heights and weights. Some technique advantages but also they just had extra power in a contest. If you look at inside mids generally, they are all going to have strong abilities in a contest or they won’t make it at afl level in that role. Naturally lachie Neale isn’t competing directly with Cripps but he wouldn’t be materially weaker than the average inside mid due to his size (not that strength is the only factor in success in that role).
 
people are able to look more muscular the shorter they are but they don't necessarily put it on easier. it is, however, easier to put on weight if you're shorter because you need less calories to sustain/surpass your TDEE. I think the point is more that it's easier to carry the 90+kg required to be a 'midfield bull' while being 190cm+, but there's plenty of exceptions (Tracca, Wines etc.)

It would be stupid to argue that being taller isn't a bit of an advantage, but recruiters are still consistently taking blokes 178-187cm in the top 10, because they're still the best midfielders going around regardless of their height. Walsh, Serong, Rowell, Brayshaw, Smith are all 'short people' yet are the consensus wave of best young mids coming through.

also has a lot to do with muscle belly's, the shape of the muscle, bone density, muscle insertions etc. I would suggest the majority of taller people have longer/flatter muscle belly's compared with shorter people have have shorter/rounder muscle belly's.
 

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Anyone know where Butler is and why he didn’t play box hill on the weekend?
Maybe he has to go back home due to home sickness to be with family. Apparently it happens to a lot of butlers.
 
Speaking as we are of players sizes in the modern game I am just transitioning through Gold Coast airport and the Gold Coast Suns under 21 squad (I think, could be their under 18s) is in the airport as well.

I am 185cm and 88kg and every single player I passed made me feel like a midget! All of them were easily 190cm plus and they were all solid as.

If this is any indication it seems AFL footballers are getting bigger and taller at a quick rate (small sample size I know).
 
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Not to pick on you here as nothing you say is wrong but performance is not dictated by muscle mass alone so generalising height equals more mass equals more strength might be broadly true but not likely to be true among athletes of a similar class.

This theory has been tested in endurance running where you see a diverse height range among competitors. There are trade offs between height and weight plus other anatomical features of individuals which mean within a class you can see different people perform to the same level.

In strength terms you have guys like Martin and hodge that were just stronger than others in certain conditions than others if different heights and weights. Some technique advantages but also they just had extra power in a contest. If you look at inside mids generally, they are all going to have strong abilities in a contest or they won’t make it at afl level in that role. Naturally lachie Neale isn’t competing directly with Cripps but he wouldn’t be materially weaker than the average inside mid due to his size (not that strength is the only factor in success in that role).
Neale and Serong are two short (by AFL standard) players who have playing weights equal to the mids a lot taller than them. If both were 185cm and kept their weight ratio they’d be in the Petracca and Wines category. Their footy ability helps them stand out but their height is a limiting factor for them.

Being able to play heavier is a massive advantage. Being taller assists this. Technique, skills, etc matter more from the perspective of how good a footballer is. But as top level footballers become more skilled at the top level every minor advantage becomes more important.
 
I'd love to see some kind of compound indicator that looks at DE combined with contested possessions. I think that's where the magic lies - not just who can dispose of it well, but who disposes of it best when the pressure is on.
Like Nash getting a kick to Worps whilst being tackled to the ground by two players?
 
Neale and Serong are two short (by AFL standard) players who have playing weights equal to the mids a lot taller than them. If both were 185cm and kept their weight ratio they’d be in the Petracca and Wines category. Their footy ability helps them stand out but their height is a limiting factor for them.

Being able to play heavier is a massive advantage. Being taller assists this. Technique, skills, etc matter more from the perspective of how good a footballer is. But as top level footballers become more skilled at the top level every minor advantage becomes more important.
But you can’t ignore the trae offs. Statistical performance for inside mids peaks on average at around 186cm. There are outliers at either end but you won’t ever see large numbers of very tall mids because weight inhibits performance most of the time. Neale gets more clearances and contested possessions than most mids because he is not inhibited by his height. Petracca is an exception so is not the right comparison. Most players cannot match perracca at any height.

And I’d like to see you argue that Rioli was in anyway inhibited by his height or weight. They guy was one of the few who could tackle Peak Martin. The heights strength to weight ratio I have seen. So what you say is broadly true but in the afl you get diversity in height within positions because some individuals have natural advantages that offset any benefit height provides against the average player in those positions.
 
Anyone know where Butler is and why he didn’t play box hill on the weekend?
Butler has been named for Box Hill in the extended Bench.

Impey and Phillips in the lineup as well.

Shiels was mentioned in the article (Ned Reeves has been named to take on ruck duties, supported by experienced hand Liam Shiels and the developing Ned Long. ) but not in the list below.


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Butler has been named for Box Hill in the extended Bench.

Impey and Phillips in the lineup as well.

Shiels was mentioned in the article (Ned Reeves has been named to take on ruck duties, supported by experienced hand Liam Shiels and the developing Ned Long. ) but not in the list below.


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This is weird; Nash / Reeves / Day all being named. I'd say all 3 have zero chance of not playing firsts.
 
Butler has been named for Box Hill in the extended Bench.

Impey and Phillips in the lineup as well.

Shiels was mentioned in the article (Ned Reeves has been named to take on ruck duties, supported by experienced hand Liam Shiels and the developing Ned Long. ) but not in the list below.


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Absolutely thrilled my man butler is playing this week and impey returning as well, great signs ahead
 
Incase some are confused this was a hawthorn v carlton discussion thread which now has turned into a height and weight topic 🤦‍♂️

First rule of the Hawthorn Bigfooty board is to expect daily thread derailings.

The second rule of the Hawthorn Bigfooty board is that pointing out derailings counts as a derailing thus makes you a derailer and a dirty little hypocrite.
 
This is weird; Nash / Reeves / Day all being named. I'd say all 3 have zero chance of not playing firsts.

Box Hill early lineups are about as accurate as Clarko's positional lineups in his later years as coach. Best to ignore them until gameday.
 
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