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- Jul 23, 2006
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Hurn on anyone’s radar?
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all good, I misread itThanks mate but I should've mentioned without making a trade, as the poster above said. If I can't, then that's definitely an annoying hiccup.
Plenty, main guy kicking out of their backline as he always has been. Hibberd > Hurn is so sideways tho.Hurn on anyone’s radar?
Keep moving the goal posts. Next ill have to review ever player from every game for the last three years and compare stats to see if it's deemed fair. If finding 4/4 non tackles paid as tackles in a half isn't adequate evidence he was KOTD nothing will be.
Tuohy?
According to CD a tackle isn't a tackle if the player being tackled effectively disposed of the ball
I'm glad you asked about points, scaling and weighing. My exact argument is that Martin has been scaled up for no good reason, and it shows in his score.
Lets look at Dustys HT to FT SC scores.
1st Half: DT: 80, SC: 84
Stats: Kicks - 13, HB 4, MK 2, Tackle 3, Goals 3, CP 9, CL 6, Clanger 1, DE 70, FF -, FA 1
2nd Half: DT: 47, SC 76
Stats: Kicks - 6, HB 2, MK, 1, Tackle 4, Goals 2, CP 5, CL 1, Clanger 3, DE 87.5, FF -, FA 2
Supercoach 84 | 76
Disposals 17 | 8
Kicks 13 | 6
Handballs 4 | 2
Marks 2 | 1
Tackles 3 | 4
Goals 3 | 2
CP 9 | 5
Clearances 6 | 1
Clanger 1 | 3
DE 70 | 88
Free Against 1 | 2
Now lets go through each of those touches.
Q3. 5 Possessions - 29.5 SC points (should've been 21.5 SC points) - Tigers lose qtr by 10 points
Possession 1 (3 points)
Contested possession (intercepts crow handball) - 3 points
Kick to contest (short) (centre clearance) - 0 points
Possession 2 (9.5 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 points
Long effective kick to i50 - 5 points
Score assist - 3 points
Possession 3 (4.5 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 points
Effective kick (short) - 3 points
Tackle (4 points)
Watch the replay, they call this a tackle on CEY and its clearly not. Shouldn't have gotten points for this
Free Against (-4 points)
One Percenter/Turnover (8 points)
Tackle - 4 points - once again, this wasn't a tackle
Knock on to advantage - 4 points
Possession 4 (4.5 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 point
Effective kick (short) - 3 points
Q4. 5 Possessions - 40 SC points (should've been 32 SC points)- Tigers lose qtr by 14 points
Possession 5 (13 points)
Contested mark I50 - 4 points
Kick - 3 points
Goal - 6 points (Score after goal - 91 v 75)
Tackle (4 points)
Third non tackle he is given points for, he TOUCHES CEY's arm and that counts as a tackle apparently
Possession 6 (10.5 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 point
Kick - 3 points
Goal - 6 points (Score after goal - 91 v 82)
Possession 7 (3 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 point
Effective handball - 1.5 point
Tackle (4 points)
Fourth non-tackle award points, he touches CEY's hips as CEY handballs/falls to the ground
Free Against (0 points)
Hardball Get - 4 points
FA - -4 points
Possession 8 (5.5 points)
Looseball Get - 4 points
Effective handball - 1.5 point
Conclusion:
I can only seem to find 70 SC points for Dusty's second half according to the AFL statistics and their replays. Once you adjust for the three incorrect tackles it should've been 54 points. Yet amazingly he ended up with 76 points for the half!
Now sure, you can argue that the score of his first half contributed to the second half via scaling. And that is a legitimate argument, however, given he was also gifted 16 points from non-existent tackles in one half alone and the fact the Tigers got pumped by 36 and it doesn't appear his second half score had much scaling go the other way I don't buy it.
Remember he had a +33 DT/SC game differential, when other Tigers who had great first halves weren't scaled up by similarly crazy amounts (e.g. Nankervis +10 , Caddy -1). Match winners Josh Jenkins (+1 DT/SC) and Laird (-21 DT/SC) didn't receive super scaling, Dusty's direct opponent CEY copped it hard (-24 DT/SC).
So yes, a +22 SC point half on what he should've scored seems completely off, and that isn't even looking at the first half of the game.
Don't worry though, definitely all in my head and 100% NOT KOTD
Cogs - Premo at mid tier price, Will never be cheaper.
Bon - Great price but will he be in your final D6? Perfect for a failing premo like Hibberd
Ryan - Good forward rookie but not a must have, Will have scores in the 40s and 50s some weeks.
Depends on your team.
Ryan for cash generation, then Cogs.
Bonner will fade I think as the year goes on, but could be worth the risk.
All are good but it really depends on what ur team needs.
For me personally I have bonner at the top because I would trade naughton to him who I think is at risk of getting dropped.
But if a mid was a prority for me then id jump on Coniglio
Bonner -> Ryan -> Cogs
Excellent post.
I hadn't thought of that.
I've played sc since it began.
Can't remember so many rookie priced players averaging over 90 before.
Golden year!
I'm glad you asked about points, scaling and weighing. My exact argument is that Martin has been scaled up for no good reason, and it shows in his score.
Lets look at Dustys HT to FT SC scores.
1st Half: DT: 80, SC: 84
Stats: Kicks - 13, HB 4, MK 2, Tackle 3, Goals 3, CP 9, CL 6, Clanger 1, DE 70, FF -, FA 1
2nd Half: DT: 47, SC 76
Stats: Kicks - 6, HB 2, MK, 1, Tackle 4, Goals 2, CP 5, CL 1, Clanger 3, DE 87.5, FF -, FA 2
Supercoach 84 | 76
Disposals 17 | 8
Kicks 13 | 6
Handballs 4 | 2
Marks 2 | 1
Tackles 3 | 4
Goals 3 | 2
CP 9 | 5
Clearances 6 | 1
Clanger 1 | 3
DE 70 | 88
Free Against 1 | 2
Now lets go through each of those touches.
Q3. 5 Possessions - 29.5 SC points (should've been 21.5 SC points) - Tigers lose qtr by 10 points
Possession 1 (3 points)
Contested possession (intercepts crow handball) - 3 points
Kick to contest (short) (centre clearance) - 0 points
Possession 2 (9.5 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 points
Long effective kick to i50 - 5 points
Score assist - 3 points
Possession 3 (4.5 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 points
Effective kick (short) - 3 points
Tackle (4 points)
Watch the replay, they call this a tackle on CEY and its clearly not. Shouldn't have gotten points for this
Free Against (-4 points)
One Percenter/Turnover (8 points)
Tackle - 4 points - once again, this wasn't a tackle
Knock on to advantage - 4 points
Possession 4 (4.5 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 point
Effective kick (short) - 3 points
Q4. 5 Possessions - 40 SC points (should've been 32 SC points)- Tigers lose qtr by 14 points
Possession 5 (13 points)
Contested mark I50 - 4 points
Kick - 3 points
Goal - 6 points (Score after goal - 91 v 75)
Tackle (4 points)
Third non tackle he is given points for, he TOUCHES CEY's arm and that counts as a tackle apparently
Possession 6 (10.5 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 point
Kick - 3 points
Goal - 6 points (Score after goal - 91 v 82)
Possession 7 (3 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 point
Effective handball - 1.5 point
Tackle (4 points)
Fourth non-tackle award points, he touches CEY's hips as CEY handballs/falls to the ground
Free Against (0 points)
Hardball Get - 4 points
FA - -4 points
Possession 8 (5.5 points)
Looseball Get - 4 points
Effective handball - 1.5 point
Conclusion:
I can only seem to find 70 SC points for Dusty's second half according to the AFL statistics and their replays. Once you adjust for the three incorrect tackles it should've been 54 points. Yet amazingly he ended up with 76 points for the half!
Now sure, you can argue that the score of his first half contributed to the second half via scaling. And that is a legitimate argument, however, given he was also gifted 16 points from non-existent tackles in one half alone and the fact the Tigers got pumped by 36 and it doesn't appear his second half score had much scaling go the other way I don't buy it.
Remember he had a +33 DT/SC game differential, when other Tigers who had great first halves weren't scaled up by similarly crazy amounts (e.g. Nankervis +10 , Caddy -1). Match winners Josh Jenkins (+1 DT/SC) and Laird (-21 DT/SC) didn't receive super scaling, Dusty's direct opponent CEY copped it hard (-24 DT/SC).
So yes, a +22 SC point half on what he should've scored seems completely off, and that isn't even looking at the first half of the game.
Don't worry though, definitely all in my head and 100% NOT KOTD
Trading out Lever to Fogarty/OConnor via Finlayson who has been sitting on the mid bench!
This will give me $350K in bank for upgrades.
Only other player considering to move on is Lobb - $2K short of Lobb > Danger.
So,
Option 1: Lobb to Taranto (save $30K and increase avg 30 pts) and then down the track Taranto to Danger
Option 2: Lobb to Fwd keeper (westhoff? Gray? McLean?) - hold off on Danger until rookies on bubble
Option 3: Lobb to mid premo (oliver, selwood, parker) - hold off on Danger until rookies on bubble
Option 4: Josh Kelly to Danger (very sideways but gets Danger in and Kelly 2nd lowest mid avg and fyfe improving)
What do you think?
I think I just got 4 different answers!
Put it this way, it doesn't help that I have Sicily, Langdon, Hibberd, Naughton & Hunter freakin Clark as well.
I don't have the cash to do simple Clark>Ryan & Naughton>Bonner trades. I could take the risk and trade out Brayshaw instead of Clark. Otherwise, it's Hibberd to 2 of Ryan, Bonner or Coniglio, hence the original question.
So with Cyril to LLam Ryan, that leaves me with around 215k. The following I've already done Byrne to Ryan (Freo). I've benched Crouch as I have had Holman on the bench.
My other options are Crouch --> Danger
Or Byrne ----> Marchbank
Any thoughts?
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Not moving any goal posts. The goal posts for proving bias are always been in the same place, you've just been kicking out on the full.Keep moving the goal posts. Next ill have to review ever player from every game for the last three years and compare stats to see if it's deemed fair. If finding 4/4 non tackles paid as tackles in a half isn't adequate evidence he was KOTD nothing will be.
250k Players - Allen Christensen, Riley Bonner, Zac Fisher & Scott Lycett (Lol)
I feel like having more than 2 250k rookie is a bit much. Unless you forsee them hitting 400k to 'Step Ladder' you are better off using the money on a premo or a 117k rookie to generate faster cash.
I really do like Fisher as a player, beautiful clean hands, nice left peg, great goal sense and has a great JS down at the blues. (Could be my Carlton Bias)
With this year crop of rolled gold rookies, not too long I would imagine.This is my 4th year. My first time going for overall.
I've had a bad start with Libba and Merrett. So basically going for broke. My strategy at the moment is to focus on getting the best players in. If Kelly, Doedee and Finalayson end up as keepers (even as m9/d7) then it save trades. This could mean that avoiding the poor rookies early, and having the best super-premos could be the difference.
As it type this I'm confusing myself haha... I'm not really sure if I'm making any sense.
But personally, I want to get Yeo and Danger ASAP. Then Gray after his bye. If I could get those 3 players in then it would leave me with Doedee/Finlayson d5/6, Kelly m8 and Petracca f6. I've got no memory of how long that will actually take to do.
I'm glad you asked about points, scaling and weighing. My exact argument is that Martin has been scaled up for no good reason, and it shows in his score.
Lets look at Dustys HT to FT SC scores.
1st Half: DT: 80, SC: 84
Stats: Kicks - 13, HB 4, MK 2, Tackle 3, Goals 3, CP 9, CL 6, Clanger 1, DE 70, FF -, FA 1
2nd Half: DT: 47, SC 76
Stats: Kicks - 6, HB 2, MK, 1, Tackle 4, Goals 2, CP 5, CL 1, Clanger 3, DE 87.5, FF -, FA 2
Supercoach 84 | 76
Disposals 17 | 8
Kicks 13 | 6
Handballs 4 | 2
Marks 2 | 1
Tackles 3 | 4
Goals 3 | 2
CP 9 | 5
Clearances 6 | 1
Clanger 1 | 3
DE 70 | 88
Free Against 1 | 2
Now lets go through each of those touches.
Q3. 5 Possessions - 29.5 SC points (should've been 21.5 SC points) - Tigers lose qtr by 10 points
Possession 1 (3 points)
Contested possession (intercepts crow handball) - 3 points
Kick to contest (short) (centre clearance) - 0 points
Possession 2 (9.5 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 points
Long effective kick to i50 - 5 points
Score assist - 3 points
Possession 3 (4.5 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 points
Effective kick (short) - 3 points
Tackle (4 points)
Watch the replay, they call this a tackle on CEY and its clearly not. Shouldn't have gotten points for this
Free Against (-4 points)
One Percenter/Turnover (8 points)
Tackle - 4 points - once again, this wasn't a tackle
Knock on to advantage - 4 points
Possession 4 (4.5 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 point
Effective kick (short) - 3 points
Q4. 5 Possessions - 40 SC points (should've been 32 SC points)- Tigers lose qtr by 14 points
Possession 5 (13 points)
Contested mark I50 - 4 points
Kick - 3 points
Goal - 6 points (Score after goal - 91 v 75)
Tackle (4 points)
Third non tackle he is given points for, he TOUCHES CEY's arm and that counts as a tackle apparently
Possession 6 (10.5 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 point
Kick - 3 points
Goal - 6 points (Score after goal - 91 v 82)
Possession 7 (3 points)
Uncontested handball receive - 1.5 point
Effective handball - 1.5 point
Tackle (4 points)
Fourth non-tackle award points, he touches CEY's hips as CEY handballs/falls to the ground
Free Against (0 points)
Hardball Get - 4 points
FA - -4 points
Possession 8 (5.5 points)
Looseball Get - 4 points
Effective handball - 1.5 point
Conclusion:
I can only seem to find 70 SC points for Dusty's second half according to the AFL statistics and their replays. Once you adjust for the three incorrect tackles it should've been 54 points. Yet amazingly he ended up with 76 points for the half!
Now sure, you can argue that the score of his first half contributed to the second half via scaling. And that is a legitimate argument, however, given he was also gifted 16 points from non-existent tackles in one half alone and the fact the Tigers got pumped by 36 and it doesn't appear his second half score had much scaling go the other way I don't buy it.
Remember he had a +33 DT/SC game differential, when other Tigers who had great first halves weren't scaled up by similarly crazy amounts (e.g. Nankervis +10 , Caddy -1). Match winners Josh Jenkins (+1 DT/SC) and Laird (-21 DT/SC) didn't receive super scaling, Dusty's direct opponent CEY copped it hard (-24 DT/SC).
So yes, a +22 SC point half on what he should've scored seems completely off, and that isn't even looking at the first half of the game.
Don't worry though, definitely all in my head and 100% NOT KOTD