Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[MiguelM]

50mtrs apart I think.

ok, not too close then.

 

[Lady O]

ok, not too close then.

No, not really, considering they probably couldn't even see each other through the trees.

 

[MiguelM]

So, I said "If you do not believe Lynn's "accident" story, then they must find him guilty.", and then you say "RH's death could very well be an accident".

If you do believe it was an accident, then you believe Lynn's story. Get it?

Could be both.

Very plausible Hill was an accident and Clay murdered as she witnessed it.

 

[MiguelM]

No, not really, considering they probably couldn't even see each other through the trees.

Mind you I have done lots of bush camping and I would not be within 100m in such a vast area.

 

[Lady O]

Could be both.

Very plausible Hill was an accident and Clay murdered as she witnessed it.

Do you really think so? So you accidentally hit and kill someone with your car and then you deliberately run over the only witness? Is that something a "reasonable" person would do?

 

[LeChatNoir]

The prosecution trying to nail him being a pilot so he shouldn’t have panicked is a fairly weak argument.

His actions are not that of a person who panicked. Just because he says he panicked doesn't mean he did. Looking at the facts where he methodically and meticulously planned and executed his plan, which was to destroy all evidence of his involvement in the "accidents".
He washed away blood from Hill's car, collected Clay's skull fragments, and was so certain that he had carefully removed every trace of evidence by burning it or relocating it that he was perplexed when the police presented the shotgun shell they had collected from the campsite - he was so certain he had crossed his t's and dotted his i's that years later he doesn't believe the shotgun shell was found at the campsite. He is clearly thinking of what he did that night and remembers accounting for all the shells - nothing wrong with his memory here. That to me says, he wasn't in a panicked state when he destroyed the evidence.
Ever been around a genuinely panicked person? It is not a pretty sight.

 

[MiguelM]

Do you really think so? So you accidentally hit and kill someone with your car and then you deliberately run over the only witness? Is that something a "reasonable" person would do?

I do think this is most likely and prosecution were even going harder that he murdered both.

Who says he is reasonable? seemed more woried about what he could lose.

Might just be a cold blooded killer for all we know.

Very different scenario to hitting someone IMO.

 

[MrsBlueSky]

No character witnesses is very telling IMO but possibly also because I watched too many episodes of Law and Order before it had too many franchises and started tripping.

I don't think it matters during the trial what his character is - whether he's a bikie, a celebrity or a judge.
The jury has to look at what evidence is before them to make a decision.
If there is sentencing, then the judge can take into account what GL's criminal record is and consider character witnesses.

 

[Lady O]

I do think this is most likely and prosecution were even going harder that he murdered both.

Who says he is reasonable? seemed more woried about what he could lose.

Might just be a cold blooded killer for all we know.

Very different scenario to hitting someone IMO.

I was trying to introduce a more realistic scenario that many people could identify with and didn't involve guns and knives and remote locations. It is fairly common for someone to 'hit and run', but it would be a whole other matter to then deliberately murder a witness to an accident.

What I'm trying to establish is if most people believe in the double accident scenario that Lynn has advanced?

If you think this is unbelievable, then you can't simply go on to make up something yourself that you are satisfied with (accident+murder). You either believe Lynn's version of what happened or you don't.

It's really that simple.

 

[Underarrest_]

Do you really think so? So you accidentally hit and kill someone with your car and then you deliberately run over the only witness? Is that something a "reasonable" person would do?

Not disagreeing with your rational of how the deaths occurred, but I’m not sure if we’re talking about a reasonable person here if he can continue to stoke a fire for hours obliterating two bodies.

 

[GardenGnome]

Mind you I have done lots of bush camping and I would not be within 100m in such a vast area.

Yes, the whole reason you go a remote area is to be entirely alone, without other campers! So I’m very much in agreement.

GL, from various comments, was a lone wolf and would have been annoyed at the proximity chosen by RH.

Not knowing the character personally it could be surmised that GL alleged comment to RH (in GL’s account) on their initial encounter “…. It’s a free country” sounds rather sarcastic to me.

 

[GladdyDee]

Those days must have really dragged on for GL in that covid lockdown, just sitting at home waiting until he could go back to burn the bodies.

So, more fire-starter occupied, than focused on sourdough starters, during lockdown. Waiting to hit Bunnings …

 

[10571z]

With the Hotham cameras did he take his number plates off?

 

[FrankGrimes]

The Judge with his instructions will be the key here, he is 100% guilty IMO, but might get away with it legally, if that makes sense. Prosecution will use the ropes, headtorch and cover up..

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Wasn't there more than one gun? What if Hill pinched one of them and Lynn shot him with the other as he took off?

 

[LeChatNoir]

I see his change in confidence and conviction as a result of knowing exactly how this made him look.
He sat and watched the two families beg for any information and then set about to do his final act of making sure he was ok. On the show that he watched, one of Hill’s daughters seemed to have some peace that her Father’s final resting place could be buried in the bush (where he loved) but he proceeded to go back and make their final departure yet a more sickening act and nothing of them left to be found.

^^^ Underarrest, your words are heartbreaking, but needed to be said. The dead feel no pain, but the living will live through the anguish of vivid nightmares played out again and again in their sleeping and conscious minds for the rest of their lives. And, as you pointed out, he took that one precious hope away from Hill's daughter - that her dad may be laying to rest in the bush he loved (with the woman he loved). Such a cruel thing to do, when he didn't need to do it.

 

[Lady O]

Yes, the whole reason you go a remote area is to be entirely alone, without other campers! So I’m very much in agreement.

GL, from various comments, was a lone wolf and would have been annoyed at the proximity chosen by RH.

Not knowing the character personally it could be surmised that GL alleged comment to RH (in GL’s account) on their initial encounter “…. It’s a free country” sounds rather sarcastic to me.

Lynn said something in his ROI about having a cordial conversation with Hill on the 19th (when they first arrived). I'm thinking that the "It's a free country" comment is more than likely in reply to Hill camping in proximity. I really doubt if Hill would have driven around the area to make sure no one else was there prior to setting up camp. I expect they just saw a good spot, with no one else in sight and set up there only to find there was someone else along the river behind the trees and bushes. Perhaps when they spoke to him, he was driving or walking past back to his camp and this may have been the first time they knew he was there.

This photo from 60 minutes, showing Hill's daughters, the background demonstrates the type of vegetation around the camping area.

 

[Lady O]

Wasn't there more than one gun? What if Hill pinched one of them and Lynn shot him with the other as he took off?

Or maybe they had a shootout, like Gunfight at the OK Corral?

 

[Run n Spread]

Just seems no.proof of what really happened either way. Baffling.
Part of the story prosecution could argue is if they both pushed up against the tow bar an angle of a bullet from a straight gun barrel going through a side mirror don't really work. Was the rope photographed by crime scene. Jury will look and see if that inevitably got in the way.

This is the difficult part for the jury.
Find Lynn guilty... of what, exactly?

If it's double murder, how did Russell Hill die, exactly, to warrant a charge of murder?
RH's death could very well be an accident.

Murder. If GLs story is disproven than the indirect evidence and GLs actions would create a strand of evidence that no other scenario is reasonably possible except he murdered them and disposed of the bodies.
In fact there is no other reasonable assumption you can make other than GLs story. Hence he had to testify and hope it holds. From the media reporting and here it seems it did hold up.OK. So best case for him is voluntary Ms prob gets 10. Worse murder x2. Longshot acquittal.
Impossible to know with certainty what happened.

 

[Spectrix]

So, I said "If you do not believe Lynn's "accident" story, then they must find him guilty.", and then you say "RH's death could very well be an accident".

If you do believe it was an accident, then you believe Lynn's story. Get it?

It's not about whether the jury believe Lynn's story, it's about whether they believe the Prosecution's story.

There's a lot of talk about Lynn's story being fabricated. It's important to remember that the prosecutions story is fabricated as well.

The Prosecution are alleging a double murder without direct evidence of how (or why) Russell Hill died. It's a bold claim to insist on a double murder in this case.

 

[LeChatNoir]

Accident vs Murder?
If it was indeed an accident, I find it VERY ironic that Lynn destroyed evidence that may have actually proven his story.

Yep, as a career airline pilot, he would know more than most people that in the event of a plane crash with no survivors, the evidence is the most important aspect in piecing the story of what happened together, i.e. black box etc. So why destroy the evidence....?

 

[10571z]

How did the prosecution come to the conclusion that Hill was killed first? Seems odd without any evidence

 

[Eaglette01]

KISS

GL was the last to see both RH & CC alive.
GL admitted to disposing & burning of both RH & CC and ridding the scene of any evidence.
GL admitted he wanted to "disappear" but, actually he made both RH & CC disappear.

GL has created a story (Fiction).

DPP and "We" only know the outcome - 2 dead (Fact).

Therefore, he is guilty of their demise IMO - guilty of both crimes.

The End

 

[MrsBlueSky]

KISS

GL was the last to see both RH & CC alive.
GL admitted to disposing & burning of both RH & CC and ridding the scene of any evidence.
GL admitted he wanted to "disappear" but, actually he made both RH & CC disappear.

GL has created a story (Fiction).

DPP and "We" only know the outcome - 2 dead (Fact).

Therefore, he is guilty of their demise IMO - guilty of both crimes.

The End

You missed the bit out about how they died...the non fiction story.
Could you add that, please.

 

[Angry_Crow]

You missed the bit out about how they died...the non fiction story.
Could you add that, please.

Nobody but GL will ever know that story.