Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[justallyone]

Yes, after a few weeks of Exceptional Dann, today we got just Demo Dermi...a rambling, perjorative alter-ego of his learned counsel, that waffled, was vague at times, somewhat non-specific, seeking only to muddy the waters....
Even trying to ininsuate the Carol slug can't have been in found in its original resting location, implore that Lynn said doors were open, therefore the interior light was on (even Justice Croucher smirked at that).
Dann was disappointing today!!!
He made fun of the multiple prononciations of mr Galateli(spelling?), at one point calling him Mr Gelati...IMO the jury were not amused...it was not wise crack Tuesday at the comedy festival!
He refuted the Prs. at every turn, but the performative asapects of today's half of his performance was more Tabloid than Tenacious!

Dann's tempestuous arguments re Browne & Dunn, and proposing motion for discharge, seems it may be more for the theatre sport of it, than action. He has simmered a bit, talking about strong direction to Jurors instead, but he is reserving his right to sleep on it. Justice Croucher, whilst agreeing with Dann's premise, had a more restrained take it it with a morecentral position between counsels.

Today, in my opinion and observation, Prs. Did fantastic job of concisely, methodically and systematically breaking down the many observable points in Lynn's account. He was more relaxed today, spoke clearly with conviction, but with humility that seemed to appeal to the jury.

Lots of the gallery were seemingky dissatisfied with Dann's efforts today, and the jury were definitely less engaged than in the morning (that may due just to time of day!)

I feel the crux is still the incriminating conduct, Carol shot, and clearly refuted details of Lynns account with the "gun wrestle" at front. So much of Lynns testimony seemed as rehearsed as a performance at the Atheneaum, yet other parts like Late Night Improv in a smoky bar...especially when you hold up the RoI original evidence, and the self-told "based on true story" version from last Thursday!

Today is the first real day that i thought Justice Will Prevail...I hope I am right...

Too bad GL said interior lights were off in car to conserve battery! Thank you for your insights.

 

[Terrafirma]

This excerpt is so so damming...! As the jury you would have to conclude with the Prosecution. No if's or buts IMO.

The shotgun and the rifle​

Porceddu said there were several reasons why Lynn’s version of events could not be true.

These included Hill “rooting around” Lynn’s car in the dark to retrieve the Barathrum Arms shotgun, not the rifle he told police he was filmed by Hill’s drone using close to camp, and then alerting Lynn to the fact he was doing this after he knocked over a drink bottle in the car, while music was allegedly blaring from the four-wheel drive.

“If you’re a person concerned about firearm safety, snuck up to a campsite to confiscate a gun without him knowing, why are you loading it when all you’re looking to do is take it back to your campsite?” Porceddu said.

“At some point, the accused is going to turn the music off and shut the car for the night, and when he does, he’s going to notice his gun and magazine is missing. And once that happens, he’s going to know it was either taken by Mr Hill or Mrs Clay. They’re the only ones at the campsite. Hill is supposed to have taken the Barathrum Arms, but left the accused with another gun [a rifle] and ammunition.

“If you’re going to confiscate a gun from someone you’re not on the best terms with ... to eventually report to police … don’t you think you’d make sure he wasn’t left with another gun?” Porceddu said.

Lynn’s explanation that Hill had then fired warning shots into the air as Lynn ran to take cover by Hill’s LandCruiser before a struggle ensued for control of the weapon was also flawed, Porceddu said. The prosecutor pointed out there was a guy rope attached to the bull bar that would have been in his way.

Porceddu said Lynn had also repeatedly switched between Hill having his rifle and shotgun during evidence in his police interview and in the witness box. “At certain points, the accused, a man you might think is very careful and methodical, falls down on the detail. Quite simply, the rope ruins the whole account. We urge you to see the accused’s account for what it is, a carefully constructed fiction developed over one year and eight months.”

 

[InagoRaida]

Hey Gibbsy you just reminded me of a Dann moment today...
Regarding the 1057 police questions, and 0 evidence that Dann said the Prs. could prove on his clie t.
He said he was channeling a former PM, when he alluded " they were a beautiful set of numbers, 1057 and 0, yep thats 1057 and nothing"
Words of one P.Keating, esq.

 

[LeChatNoir]

Please tell me you mean
View attachment 2016956 and not View attachment 2016958

Getting stuck into the summation of prs.. bumbling, ridiculous & thinks he is clousea.

Did I get confused? Did you mean the Dann was bumbling, ridiculous & thinks he is clouseu?

 

[independant witness]

In considering a big part of Lynn's defence is that he told the cops where the remains were and Dann keeps ramming it home, I wonder if this is what Dann wants the jury dismiss

Yes, after a few weeks of Exceptional Dann, today we got just Demo Dermi...a rambling, perjorative alter-ego of his learned counsel, that waffled, was vague at times, somewhat non-specific, seeking only to muddy the waters....
Even trying to ininsuate the Carol slug can't have been in found in its original resting location, implore that Lynn said doors were open, therefore the interior light was on (even Justice Croucher smirked at that).
Dann was disappointing today!!!
He made fun of the multiple prononciations of mr Galateli(spelling?), at one point calling him Mr Gelati...IMO the jury were not amused...it was not wise crack Tuesday at the comedy festival!
He refuted the Prs. at every turn, but the performative asapects of today's half of his performance was more Tabloid than Tenacious!

Dann's tempestuous arguments re Browne & Dunn, and proposing motion for discharge, seems it may be more for the theatre sport of it, than action. He has simmered a bit, talking about strong direction to Jurors instead, but he is reserving his right to sleep on it. Justice Croucher, whilst agreeing with Dann's premise, had a more restrained take it it with a morecentral position between counsels.

Today, in my opinion and observation, Prs. Did fantastic job of concisely, methodically and systematically breaking down the many observable points in Lynn's account. He was more relaxed today, spoke clearly with conviction, but with humility that seemed to appeal to the jury.

Lots of the gallery were seemingky dissatisfied with Dann's efforts today, and the jury were definitely less engaged than in the morning (that may due just to time of day!)

I feel the crux is still the incriminating conduct, Carol shot, and clearly refuted details of Lynns account with the "gun wrestle" at front. So much of Lynns testimony seemed as rehearsed as a performance at the Atheneaum, yet other parts like Late Night Improv in a smoky bar...especially when you hold up the RoI original evidence, and the self-told "based on true story" version from last Thursday!

Today is the first real day that i thought Justice Will Prevail...I hope I am right...

I don't think he was "reading the jury" when name calling and making fun of the prosecution and expert witnesses.I think if anything he was alienating them.. I was imagining D.P. thinking to himself,"We'll soon see who is ridiculous"

 

[independant witness]

Did I get confused? Did you mean the Dann was bumbling, ridiculous & thinks he is clouseu?

Sorry.. That was how D.D. started his defence summation, referring To D.P.

 

[champagnegirl]

The comment Lynn made about them having a good laugh when they saw his vehicle on 60 Minutes was very odd. There had been requests from Police for the driver of the vehicle to contact them, but apparently he didn't. What did the family find funny about a vehicle exactly like his, in the exact area he was camping, at the exact same time?

Maybe, at that time, it seemed just too far fetched to be believable. Love can blind us when we don’t want to see because we simply dont want to grasp the reality that it might be true. Emotions v objectivity. Well may Mrs L act a bit unseemly in court but when it’s all boiled down, the 3 of them and especially the 2 young men are victims of crime.

 

[Underarrest_]

Maybe, at that time, it seemed just too far fetched to be believable. Love can blind us when we don’t want to see because we simply dont want to grasp the reality that it might be true. Emotions v objectivity. Well may Mrs L act a bit unseemly in court but when it’s all boiled down, the 3 of them and especially the 2 young men are victims of crime.

Yes I do believe GL’s wife would be over compensating in her staunchness/confidence.
I would personally be dying inside.
It is odd that GL would describe it in this way though (comical) as though they were fools to the fact that this could possibly be connected to him.

 

[MrsBlueSky]

Hey Gibbsy you just reminded me of a Dann moment today...
Regarding the 1057 police questions, and 0 evidence that Dann said the Prs. could prove on his clie t.
He said he was channeling a former PM, when he alluded " they were a beautiful set of numbers, 1057 and 0, yep thats 1057 and nothing"
Words of one P.Keating, esq.

Some of these very expensive lawyers are too smart for their own good.
I reckon you could have defended GL equally as well and it would have left the glamorous Melanie with lots more money to start her life over again with her husband behind bars for a very long time IMO

 

[Lady O]

Yes I do believe GL’s wife would be over compensating in her staunchness/confidence.
I would personally be dying inside.
It is odd that GL would describe it in this way though (comical) as though they were fools to the fact that this could possibly be connected to him.

Wouldn't you think Mrs GL would have said "isn't that the week you went camping up there?", or "is that why you painted your vehicle and the trailer?" unless she was unaware of where he went, or didn't care!

 

[GardenGnome]

Some of these very expensive lawyers are too smart for their own good.
I reckon you could have defended GL equally as well and it would have left the glamorous Melanie with lots more money to start her life over again with her husband behind bars for a very long time IMO

Will DD ever see the big dollars?

According to GL statement, there’s still a large mortgage on the house and ML part time job is low paid - and the household has lost the high flying big bucks.

 

[FranklinBluth]

Great to see the majority sentiment is towards Lynn getting substantial time for at least 1 x count of murder. The evidence everybody was looking for was already in Lynn's carefully crafted but completely unbelievable testimony. It is fictional and anybody with a basic IQ would know that. Anyway let's see what happens but today's vibe is completely different from those who keep seeking the magical evidence bullet. Put him away I say and ban him from his pathetic private clubs.

I was discussing this case briefly with my mum on the weekend, and as she said 'how stupid does he (referring to GL) think we are? What a ridiculous story...?

 

[Lady O]

According to Lynn’s statement, ML part time job is low paid and they still have a substantial mortgage on the house. Will DD ever see the big dollars?

So very many lives impacted by this Omnishambles!

Actually, I think it's a step up from an omnishambles. It's a Megashambles!!

 

[GardenGnome]

Wouldn't you think Mrs GL would have said "isn't that the week you went camping up there?", or "is that why you painted your vehicle and the trailer?" unless she was unaware of where he went, or didn't care!

Yep it seems very weird - there’s not many late 90s vehicles left on the road. Especially the exact make and model, colour with a trailer, and in the vicinity of Dads favourite camping area.

In one of the very very early articles immediately following his arrest, there was suggestion that in the week after the airing of that 60mins episode there was an argument between GL & ML - presumably related. It was seven days after the episode that he went camping to Arbuckle Junction where he was arrested.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Mrs L is gambling on not having to sell the comfortable family home to pay the lawyers’ bills.

 

[Underarrest_]

Wouldn't you think Mrs GL would have said "isn't that the week you went camping up there?", or "is that why you painted your vehicle and the trailer?" unless she was unaware of where he went, or didn't care!

I don’t know if the family were suspicious for sure but if he’s been a caring and loving husband/Father for all those years, the possibility of him being associated to the murder of two elderly people might not have entersd their minds.
If I saw a vehicle/trailer/same area, the same as my family members, example my Dad, I wouldn’t for one minute think it was associated to him.

 

[nut]

I cant see how he is convicted of murder.
2x Manslaughter IMO.

 

[Terrafirma]

I was discussing this case briefly with my mum on the weekend, and as she said 'how stupid does he (referring to GL) think we are? What a ridiculous story...?

Exactly tell your mum mother's instinct is always right..!

 

[Terrafirma]

Mrs L is gambling on not having to sell the comfortable family home to pay the lawyers’ bills.

I thought there was already some talk the house was funding the defense.? Not sure off course and I wonder how much it will end up costing Lynn.?

 

[Terrafirma]

I cant see how he is convicted of murder.
2x Manslaughter IMO.

That would mean he was rewarded for all his efforts in killing them both 3 times.! Just sayin....

 

[GardenGnome]

Actually, I think it's a step up from an omnishambles. It's a Megashambles!!

Gregashambles!!

 

[Spectrix]

Last week his son was sobbing, hands in head while the ROI was being played.

That's interesting, how did you interpret that?

 

[nut]

That would mean he was rewarded for all his efforts in killing them both 3 times.! Just sayin....

How is he rewarded?
How has the prosecution proved Murder beyond reasonable doubt?
How has the Prosecution proven his story is completely false?

What we can prove is, it was Lynns gun, at Hills camp site, which is grounds for Manslaughter IMO.
We have a confession of the events after the conflict and he’ll be sentenced for that as well.

 

[Poppy Penny]

I was discussing this case briefly with my mum on the weekend, and as she said 'how stupid does he (referring to GL) think we are? What a ridiculous story...?

Mums tend to be good BS detectors- after all they have lots of experience!

 

[GladdyDee]

I wonder what is going through Lynn's mind.? ATM. Happy he hired Dann.? Wishing he had of done things differently? He bought himself sometime after the alleged murders and time to construe a story which whilst technically plausible certainly not logical IMO.

Someone devoid of or very low in emotional affect is usually crappy at working out what the average person will think of their reactions, responses and recollection. Putting lies or truth off the table for a second, Joe Blow would have left out a few gruesome details about the bodies that reportedly came out of GLs mouth without blinking an eye. Things you think but dont say. IMO