Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

[Kurve]

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Poppy Penny]

That's interesting, how did you interpret that?

An ashamed, embarrassed and disgusted son whose respect for his father has been obliterated…somewhat like the obliteration of Carol and Russell. Discovering his father is a liar, is deceptive and has no integrity

 

[Underarrest_]

An ashamed, embarrassed and disgusted son whose respect for his father has been obliterated…somewhat like the obliteration of Carol and Russell. Discovering his father is a liar, is deceptive and has no integrity

and perhaps grief and loss of the Father and life you knew/had.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I cant see how he is convicted of murder.
2x Manslaughter IMO.

What about the rest of his crimes?

 

[champagnegirl]

I thought there was already some talk the house was funding the defense.? Not sure off course and I wonder how much it will end up costing Lynn.?

GL and Mrs must both be close to Superannuation funding age ? . I’m sure she could apply for sympathetic treatment regarding early funds release, especially with 2 young lads to house. Not sure what the Vic Govt’s ruling is on confiscating of assets in criminal cases.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

An ashamed, embarrassed and disgusted son whose respect for his father has been obliterated…somewhat like the obliteration of Carol and Russell. Discovering his father is a liar, is deceptive and has no integrity

And is a cruel, heartless, selfish, narcissistic, inhumane, self-serving, devious excuse for a human being.

 

[FrankGrimes]

How is he rewarded?
How has the prosecution proved Murder beyond reasonable doubt?
How has the Prosecution proven his story is completely false?

What we can prove is it was Lynns gun, at Hills camp site, which is grounds for Manslaughter IMO.
We have confession of the events after the conflict and he’ll be sentenced for that as well.

They have proven his story his false imo, head torch, ropes, wrong gun… it’s the little things they have proven his story is complete bs… im more confident now of at least 1 murder charge.

 

[nut]

What about the rest of his crimes?

Of course …

 

[Sir_Loin]

Not sure what the sentencing guidelines are but just say GL is found guilty of involuntary manslaughter - there must be a top end of the range that he’s a candidate for. And then all the other crimes he’s committed which must be aggravating factors. Can the judge sentence on a consecutive term basis?

 

[MrsBlueSky]

Not sure what the sentencing guidelines are but just say GL is found guilty of involuntary manslaughter - there must be a top end of the range that he’s a candidate for. And then all the other crimes he’s committed which must be aggravating factors. Can the judge sentence on a consecutive term basis?

I've never heard of these:
"What are the two aspects of sentencing practices in Victoria?
Proportionality – the severity of the sentence must fit the seriousness of the crime.
Parsimony – the sentence imposed must be no more severe than is necessary."

 

[Badd0g]

Not sure what the sentencing guidelines are but just say GL is found guilty of involuntary manslaughter - there must be a top end of the range that he’s a candidate for. And then all the other crimes he’s committed which must be aggravating factors. Can the judge sentence on a consecutive term basis?

Stats for the last 5 years of sentences https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/sacstat/higher-courts/law-8-manslaughter-hc.html

Edit: There is also info re cumulative/concurrent sentencing here. Default position is that imprisonment sentences are served concurrently.

 

[nut]

Stats for the last 5 years of sentences https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/sacstat/higher-courts/law-8-manslaughter-hc.html

Surely he gets the max sentence

 

[striker3]

That's interesting, how did you interpret that?

like any kid would react to hearing his father admit to some pretty horrific things with moving bodies, burning, head blown off, etc

Pretty confronting hearing it first hand as a nobody, so I can’t imagine what it’s like for a direct family member.

 

[ken]

I cant see how he is convicted of murder.
2x Manslaughter IMO.

In my opinion. I can see the jury finding guilty 2 x murder.

I’ve tossed and turned in the last few weeks closely following the trial as much as possible. Umming and ahhing at he beginning.

But after lots of thought I think there is a guilty verdict coming his way.

My opinions and hope I’m allowed to convey these!

 

[theouthouse]

I like how GL just casually refers to the burning of two dead bodies as "getting rid of the evidence".

It's so cold and detached from RH and CC who had once being living, loving and loved people, that far along the road after their deaths that is so disturbing to me.

I think GL still obviously can't face the events of the 20th march 2020.

 

[GrayRanga]

I've never heard of these:
"What are the two aspects of sentencing practices in Victoria?
Proportionality – the severity of the sentence must fit the seriousness of the crime.
Parsimony – the sentence imposed must be no more severe than is necessary."

An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth

 

[CredibleSauce]

I like how GL just casually refers to the burning of two dead bodies as "getting rid of the evidence".

It's so cold and detached from RH and CC who had once being living, loving and loved people, that far along the road after their deaths that is so disturbing to me.

I think GL still obviously can't face the events of the 20th march 2020.

Yep I reckon using Russell and Carol’s names when “apologising” to their families would have gone a long way toward showing remorse.
Pretty telling that he couldn’t be fu… bothered even granting them that dignity.

 

[GladdyDee]

Who needs the Supreme court when theres facebook:

“What was he hunting with that gun, panthers? There was a struggle, gun discharges and miraculously a kill shot hits the woman who was cowering nearby. Old boy comes at him with a knife trips falls on his own knife and dies. Sounds like something off Home and Away.”

 

[Badd0g]

Surely he gets the max sentence

One would hope so, but considering there has not been a single instance of the max sentence (or anything close for that matter) in the last 5 years, it seems unlikely.

 

[GladdyDee]

Yep I reckon using Russell and Carol’s names when “apologising” to their families would have gone a long way toward showing remorse.
Pretty telling that he couldn’t be fu… bothered even granting them that dignity.

That’d mean taking some responsibility which he clearly has no capability of IMO

 

[nut]

His reason and motive to dispose of the evidence and not report the “accident” to save his career should have been hammered into the jury by his defence IMO…
Then painting Hill as an angry old man who instigated the confrontation that lead to Clay and his own death by taking the allegedly gun.

I can’t believe the defence couldn’t provide a fool proof story that matched the above scenario.. there are holes.

But in saying that I can’t see a jury coming to an unanimous murder verdict because of a guy rope.

 

[Kurve]

His reason and motive to dispose of the evidence and not report the “accident” to save his career should have been hammered into the jury by his defence IMO…
Then painting Hill as an angry old man who instigated the confrontation that lead to Clay and his own death by taking the allegedly gun.

I can’t believe the defence couldn’t provide a fool proof story that matched the above scenario.. there are holes.

But in saying that I can’t see a jury coming to an unanimous murder verdict because of a guy rope.

It's that he was so utterly ruthless, self centered and calculating in the disposal of the bodies to save his career and his club memberships, isn't going to help him imo.

Even if one death was an accident, it suggests he would be capable of despatching with the remaining witness with the same ruthless efficiency, to save his career.

 

[GardenGnome]

Pamcake1 offered a really balanced view of the situation (a few days ago) which I can’t find at the moment.

 

[GladdyDee]

Thanks for the update!! Discharge the jury? He’s good, that demolition Dermie.

He’ll ask for a 3 layered Victoria sponge to get a biscotti - old lawyer trick

 

[ken]

His reason and motive to dispose of the evidence and not report the “accident” to save his career should have been hammered into the jury by his defence IMO…
Then painting Hill as an angry old man who instigated the confrontation that lead to Clay and his own death by taking the allegedly gun.

I can’t believe the defence couldn’t provide a fool proof story that matched the above scenario.. there are holes.

But in saying that I can’t see a jury coming to an unanimous murder verdict because of a guy rope.

Problem is….the reason and motive to destroy evidence, equally (some might suggest more) leans towards being guilty of covering up a crime.

The post deaths behaviour is very calculated and extreme, I’d suggest it’s not actions of a bloke who has done nothing wrong. It’s not a stretch to come to that conclusion.

Furthermore, the whole post death explanation “save my career, fancy clubs etc” applies equally to covering up a murder.

My opinions

 

[GladdyDee]

From memory RH wife gave him cash too before RH left for his trip.

Don't think she ever discussed how much cash it was.

RH could have had $4000k in cash - we know nothing (only that there was no cash found in vehicle)

I dont for one moment believe RH & CC had $20 each = $40 at their camp.

Imagine RH ‘s wife giving him the money- the same funds that would get his alleged killer home safe, for a while. Just too terrible.