Opinion Sack Hinkley 11 - Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest

[PowerBaz]

The club doesn't have the guts to sack Hinkley whilst we are sitting in the 8.

Making finals is good enough has been the club's mantra in the Koch era.

With Ken having a 17% winning record against top 4 teams it’s no wonder!

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The press he has been getting strongly suggests our masters the AFL won’t allow it anyway.

I’ve given my tickets away for Saturday. I can bear to watch the smug campaigner and I don’t want to sit there hoping we’ll lose.

Anyone who knows me knows this is unheard of!

They are guessing. The AFL wont stop this.

The AFL have been happy with Port for a long time. The 2009-2014 period they were worried, but that huge rebound in 2013-14 put them at ease. I keep saying it, but we got a lot of browny points with corporate Oz re China, and also from the AFL. We pulled off stuff most other clubs would have had no hope of doing, and the AFL didn't want to expand huge resources on it and told us to run it, and we did, very well, and they have acknowledged it.

And financially we have come out of covid with flying colours. The AFL has so many other things on its agenda, that it has been embarrassingly caught out on, that they don't give a shit about this matter.

 

[Dylan8]

I still feel kinda bad about that. I don’t think I reached that level of rage before or since. Some first impression.

Flags since that night:

• Richmond: 3
• Port: nil

Overdue for a second impression hopefully during the dawn of the Buckley era

 

[philreich]

I’ll say it again - the fact that not one of our key administrators has come out to offer even the slightest bit of support for the Port Adelaide fans in the face of this commentary is pathetic.

Do these people realise they need us a lot more than we need them?

Might be time to remind them.

Honestly, if any one of Hinkley, Koch, Davies or Richardson were to leave, the club could hold the farewell in a phone box, and they'd struggle to sell all the tickets. I despise every one of them.

 

[Port01]

Our administration currently reminds me of the ‘are we the baddies’ sketch.
One day it will dawn on them.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Honestly, if any one of Hinkley, Koch, Davies or Richardson were to leave, the club could hold the farewell in a phone box, and they'd struggle to sell all the tickets. I despise every one of them.

Oh there will be a big farewell celebration, they just won't be invited. I'll go to the club for the first time in a long, long time the night Hinkley is sacked.

 

[El_Scorcho]

They are guessing. The AFL wont stop this.

The AFL have been happy with Port for a long time. The 2009-2014 period they were worried, but that huge rebound in 2013-14 put them at ease. I keep saying it, but we got a lot of browny points with corporate Oz re China, and also from the AFL. We pulled off stuff most other clubs would have had no hope of doing, and the AFL didn't want to expand huge resources on it and told us to run it, and we did, very well, and they have acknowledged it.

And financially we have come out of covid with flying colours. The AFL has so many other things on its agenda, that it has been embarrassingly caught out on, that they don't give a shit about this matter.

I tend to agree. I don't think the AFL would have stopped us from sacking him at any point where it would have made sense to sack him, say 2017 onwards. I don't get the sense at all that the club have been forced into retaining him.

I believe we ultimately haven't sacked him because the key decision makers at the club, Koch, Davies, the rest of the rusted on board members, don't want to sack him.

 

[RangaInTeal]

^ What we were as a club, the furthest thing from what we are today…

 

[GremioPower]

I couldn't care a less about the result - I will continue to abuse him regardless. Heck, we could win the flag and I'd still boo him to his face...

I've been saying something like this for years.

 

[afl2004]

^ What we were as a club, the furthest thing from what we are today…

Mozulla is a completely different human then hinkley , always pushes himself , brings his judo instructor on road games lol

Absolute maniac and I love him

 

[GremioPower]

Making finals is good enough has been the club's mantra in the Koch era.

Again, if that is true, it would be an IMPROVEMENT. Yet, it's NOT true.

In 2017, they've made it crystal clear that the KPIs are:

• avoiding bottom-out; and
• making Finals once every three seasons.

We failed to make Finals in 2022. Then, we made it in 2023.

If those are the club's KPIs, Hinkley would be good for the next two seasons. Well, he got an extension last season.

His contract was extended for TWO extra YEARS. It seems that the benchmarks haven't changed, doesn't it?

 

[philreich]

Kane is just a shit and a stirrer. I don’t know if he hates Tredrea out of envy or if they once clashed, but his unashamed bashing of him in public when Warren has never really returned serve at him is appalling. What I did like about Caro is she called out Tredrea’s truth. He is tough. He is driven which may have made him a selfish leader to get the best out of himself and us. He doesn’t think Hinkley is right for the job. And if he’s divided our board about it, then he is doing his job. Club divided. Absolutely. And the Happy Clapping Hinkley Sycophants are the imposters to the real PAFC.

We are indeed a club divided. On one side, you have Hinkley and his supporters, who are satisfied with mediocrity and "near enough is good enough." On the other side is the rest of us, who demand a much higher standard than we've been forced to endure for the last decade, but apparently we're the ones in the wrong. I say stuff that - maintain the rage, and let's reclaim the club we once knew and loved, before it's too late.

 

[GremioPower]

Footyology Podcast: The hounds are after Hinkley | Footyology

I rolled my eyes at some of the defences of Hinkley in this pod.

"He doesn't have the list!!!!"

Is his list better than Adelaide's? Because he has a negative record against their cross-town rivals.

It's not a list problem. It's a psychological problem.

And what list problems? They have had All Australians, a Brownlow Medalist, excellent draft picks (2018) and a No. 1.

In 2020, they had 5 players in the All Australian Squad and finished No. 1 on the ladder. In 2016, the Bulldogs had 3 players and won the premiership.

But, sure, it's the list that's the problem - not the boring, predictable contested play that leaves it defenders in the lurch, its footballers scrambling to find space and its midfielders exhausted from having to immediately go from offence to defence.

Yep, it's the list.

"Kenny doesn't have the full support of the club!!!!"

Tredrea was elected only last year.

In the prior 11 seasons, the fanbase has been called "white noise" and "two cents" by the club.

How many years (and how many times does the club need to trash the supporter base) before Kenny feels secure?

"The supporters are unreasonable for expecting success!!!"

In the time Kenny has been coach, 66% of the competition has made a Grand Final. 38% has won a premiership.

Is it that unreasonable to expect the club to be in the Top 66% of the competition?

I'm not listening to this. They live in a second reality. This tells more about them then about Port, actually.

To them, we are equivalent to Freo, GWS, and Gold Coast. We are supposed to be happy just for not being Bottom-4.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Again, if that is true, it would be an IMPROVEMENT. Yet, it's NOT true.

In 2017, they've made it crystal clear that the KPIs are:

• avoiding bottom-out; and
• making Finals once every three seasons.

We failed to make Finals in 2022. Then, we made it in 2023.

If those are the club's KPIs, Hinkley would be good for the next two seasons. Well, he got an extension last season.

His contract was extended for TWO extra YEARS. It seems that the benchmarks haven't changed, doesn't it?

Ken plays the game and makes finals in his last year of the contract.

Had his 2013-16 extended to 2018 in March 2015 after 2 years in finals. Go early with extension.

After September 2017 EF loss, almost walks out on the club and Koch, KT and CD, cave in and sign him to 2020 with requirement he has to make the finals once and automatically gets an extra year extension ie 2021. They say he can rebuild via the draft. Go early with extension

January 2021 we resign him for 2022-23. Go early with extension

2022 we miss finals, 2023 1-2 two shocking losses untenable call, Koch re assess in August, makes finals so re-sign him for 2 more years. Went 1 month too early with the extension.

There wont be any going early this time. At 8 and 7 with our percentage we will be outside the 8, if we lose to the Bulldogs, and if its by 10 goals, they will sack him.

If we win, we have to wait until we play the top 4 and top 8 sides in that tough last 5 games of the season stretch before we axe him.

 

[GremioPower]

Have been thinking about how many of the last 12 seasons would be rated as acceptable to us, and how many would be considered acceptable to the 'wider football community'. I have 3.

• 2013 - Pass. From a basket case to winning a final.
• 2014 - Pass. Prelim Final, a good base to build to further success. (Despite dropping from 10-1 to 5th at the end of the home and away)
• 2015 - Fail. Started the year as premiership favourites. Beat Hawthorn twice, lost to Carlton (18th) and Brisbane (17th). Finish 9th.
• 2016 - Fail. Widely tipped to bounce back after an off year. The debut of The (Way Too) High Press(TM). Finish 10th.
• 2017 - Fail. Largest ever showdown loss. Finished H&A 5th, lost to WCE (8th) in the elimination final, in humiliating fashion. The beginning of late stage Hinkley: Smash Bottom 10, wilt under any sort of expectation.
• 2018 - Fail. Recruit for the now. Co-Captains. "You all thought he was a hero at 11-4." Finish 10th.
• 2019 - Fail. Add the big three in the draft, start with "The Best Win Ever(TM)". Balk at the favourites tag against a Martinless, Cotchinless, Riewoldtless, Ranceless Richmond. Lose. Finish 10th.
• 2020 - Pass. From nowhere we run the board, finishing top of the table. Lose a tight prelim by a kick. A missed opportunity, but maybe Hinkley has finally figured it out?
• 2021 - Fail. Struggle with injury, battle hard, win ugly, scrap to 2nd. Hit the prelim with a full list to choose from, every possible advantage. Capitulate to the tune of who gives a ****, it was over before I finished my bowl of pasta.
• 2022 - Fail. Continue with the train crash momentum of the 2021 prelim with an 0-5 start. Never recover.
• 2023 - Fail. A third top 4 finish in 4 years. Win 13 in a row, earn Kenny a new contract, cook our fragile KPP talent in the process, and crash out of finals in straight sets.
• 2024 - TBA. Shaping up like one of Kenny's 2015-2019 'fallow years' specials: "8-4 is a good position to attack the second half of the year from..."

I reckon it's us considering 2021 & 2023 as failures (what? top 4 is a failure?) where the disconnect between Port Fans and the 'wider AFL community' springs up. Take that Saints fan the other day: I'd kill for results like yours.

Yeah mate, that's why you celebrated 10 in a row and lost the flag. You don't aim high enough.

I've posted about it. The board sees it under entirely different lenses.

I was not even considering context. So, 2021 would be a "pass".

For the board, there's only failure if we go below 13th (or, apparently, if we miss finals three seasons straight).

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08/18/2023:

Opinion - "Far-West Footy" - GremioPower's blog

BONUS POINTS With 4 points per win, the AFL tournament is ripe for some kind of Bonus Point. This is my suggestion: I'm not into any bonus point system GP, as I believe it could be exploited, particularly when a team has nothing to play for late in the season, their oppo could run amok and...

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[RangaInTeal]

I've posted about it. The board sees it under entirely different lenses.

I was not even considering context. So, 2021 would be a "pass".

For the board, there's only failure if we go below 13th (or, apparently, if we miss finals three seasons straight).

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08/18/2023:

Opinion - "Far-West Footy" - GremioPower's blog

BONUS POINTS With 4 points per win, the AFL tournament is ripe for some kind of Bonus Point. This is my suggestion: I'm not into any bonus point system GP, as I believe it could be exploited, particularly when a team has nothing to play for late in the season, their oppo could run amok and...

www.bigfooty.com

No, not quite. It’s not about where we finish. It’s how we play, how they speak and represent the supporters and how we conduct ourselves… get these little things right and the rest takes care of itself.

 

[geoffjennings79]

171 pages in 10 days?! One hundred and seventy one!?

I salute you all.

 

[GremioPower]

Ken plays the game and makes finals in his last year of the contract.

Had his 2013-16 extended to 2018 in March 2015 after 2 years in finals. Go early with extension.

After September 2017 EF loss, almost walks out on the club and Koch, KT and CD, cave in and sign him to 2020 with requirement he has to make the finals once and automatically gets an extra year extension ie 2021. They say he can rebuild via the draft. Go early with extension

January 2021 we resign him for 2022-23. Go early with extension

2022 we miss finals, 2023 1-2 two shocking losses untenable call, Koch re assess in August, makes finals so re-sign him for 2 more years. Went 1 month too early with the extension.

There wont be any going early this time. At 8 and 7 with our percentage we will be outside the 8, if we lose to the Bulldogs, and if its by 10 goals, they will sack him.

If we win, we have to wait until we play the top 4 and top 8 sides in that tough last 5 games of the season stretch before we axe him.

Hopefully, the KPIs have changed. If they do, mark it to be because of Tredrea's election.

 

[rogerjames]

Top to bottom scolding of supporters from all corners: club admin, players, national media. Makes you wonder why you bother entertaining the negative energy the whole situation inspires in you.

Fight fire with fire.

 

[GremioPower]

No, not quite. It’s not about where we finish. It’s how we play, how they speak and represent the supporters and how we conduct ourselves… get these little things right and the rest takes care of itself.

That's why I've said "ignoring context". We can be patient with people that are giving their all. We tend to be even. Contrary to the opinion of some people, the majority of our supporters are fair most of the time. When there is error of judgement, it's more common to be for holding on for too long.

However, those things also have their limits. At some point, results begin to outweight them. Then, the way to go is "thank you for your work, dedication, and time; but we need to improve from here." That's why I focused on results in the exercise above.

 

[Pappagallo]

Rucci has issues - the man was taking so many "free" cokes from Adelaide Oval on gameday that the SMA imposed a limit on how many drinks each member of the media could have per game.

I bet he cycles between his Red Sox hat and Barcelona blazer in an attempt to confuse the SMA staff in charge of the count.

 

[rogerjames]

Why is the only bloke in the media who truly cares about Port Adelaide copping all the stick? It's insane.

There's a lot of 'stuff' that has happened around & within PA that wouldn't happen to any other club. It's been an infuriating ride & insane is an excellent description. Those people have absolutely no desire for PA to win another premiership. Their arrogance is thru the charts & they need to be put back in their place by the PA membership as does the CON ARTIST. SACK HINKLEY.

 

[Papa G]

I’ve been reflecting a lot about my relationship with the PAFC the last few weeks. For so long I have ridden every high and low this club has been through. I’ve barely missed watching games. The fortunes of the club have meant a lot to me. I was blessed that my dad introduced me to PAFC in the early 80s. It was a wonderful way to spend my weekends going to games with him. I loved what our club stood for.

In recent years and especially this year, I’ve realised that the club is now in the hands of people who will never love it or hurt about it as much as I do. If they are happy to accept mediocrity and go with the flow and roll over so easily then I’m not going to waste energy worrying about the PAFC anymore. Rucci, Kornes and their friends in the club can bask in apathetic mediocrity.

I’ve got other things to do.

Welcome to me 18 months ago. We are of similar age, background and passion.
I just don't care anymore. I'm not sure I'll get it back. Sitting here on the balcony in Delphi with a Mythos after a hot sweating day of sightseeing and hiking looking out at this magnificent view and you just listen to these idiots from Adelaide/Malbun who live in this ridiculous little footy bubble for this ridiculous little obscure sport and think really? It's just not important. The game and club which I once loved is close to over now. It no longer matters.

 

[rogerjames]

I dont actually care if Hinkley cares. He ****ing sucks. We aren't ****ing here to be someones hobby.

If it wasn't so infuriating it would be pretty funny. 'I want to coach', 'I care'. Hallelujah, the whole thing is an absolute circus.

 

[rogerjames]

100%.

The vast majority of dissenters sat through:

• ‘The Dream Final’,
• The 2007 GF,
• Choco’s deathstreak,
• 138/165,
• Every Showdown entered as overwhelming favourites only to lose in humiliating fashion,
• The 2017 Elim,
• The 2021 Prelim,
• 2023 straight sets,

By and large it’s been 20 years of fermented garbage, inclusive of Hinkley’s dozen years of futile misery.

What do they expect from Port fans, honestly?

It’s a trash product served up by trash people.

Beautiful