Saints Are Finished in 2011 & Beyond

[doppleganger]

Just to make it easier for him, here's the hightlights package from that game.

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Harvey was more than a solid contributor that night, he virtually carried his team over the line, all at the ripe old age of 34.

How did he go the following week?

 

[doppleganger]

lol

First full year back he averaged over 26 disposals and finished 10th in the Brownlow.

Not as good as his back to back seasons of 30 disposals and winning the brownlow before doing his knee.

Harvey was a lessor player post knee reco.

It is a pretty simple concept saints fans.....Lenny wont be as good as he was in 2009-10 if he comes back in 2012.

 

[Plugger35]

How did he go the following week?

He had the week off, it was a Qualifying Final.

Can't recall how he went in the prelim the following week against Sydney.

 

[Plugger35]

Not as good as his back to back seasons of 30 disposals and winning the brownlow before doing his knee.

Harvey was a lessor player post knee reco.

It is a pretty simple concept saints fans.....Lenny wont be as good as he was in 2009-10 if he comes back in 2012.

What's with all the Collingwood supporters thinking they are Nostradamus and can predict the future?

How do you know how Lenny will go when he comes back? He might be worse, he might be the same or he might be even better after having a year off to refresh.

I'm betting he will still be a valuable contributor no matter what happens.

 

[doppleganger]

He had the week off, it was a Qualifying Final.

Can't recall how he went in the prelim the following week against Sydney.

Zing!

Point being the days of Banger being BOG every second week were gone, it was a once off return to the good old days.

What's with all the Collingwood supporters thinking they are Nostradamus and can predict the future?

How do you know how Lenny will go when he comes back. He might be worse, he might be the same or he might be even better after having a year off to refresh.

I'm betting he will still be a valuable contributor no matter what happens.

It is a thread about St.Kilda's future prospects, so Im giving an opinion.

Most people would agree that blokes who have serious injuries in their 30s dont play as well as they did in their 20s after returning.

Hence folly to include Lenny in any future elite player categories.

 

[Falchoon]

Not as good as his back to back seasons of 30 disposals and winning the brownlow before doing his knee.

Harvey was a lessor player post knee reco.

It is a pretty simple concept saints fans.....Lenny wont be as good as he was in 2009-10 if he comes back in 2012.

if Lenny knocks off the top team by himself in a qualifying final away from home I'm calling him a star, you can call him a "solid contributor".

lol

 

[Falchoon]

Zing!

Point being the days of Banger being BOG every second week were gone, it was a once off return to the good old days.

Could you dig yourself in any further?

maybe go Stewie Loewe rather than Harvey




2 weeks later

Best

StK: Dal Santo, Harvey, Hudghton, Jones
Gehrig, Baker, Montagna

Syd: O'Keefe, Hall, C. Bolton, J. Bolton,
Schneider, Kennelly, Ablett, Crouch,

zing lol

 

[doppleganger]

if Lenny knocks off the top team by himself in a qualifying final away from home I'm calling him a star, you can call him a "solid contributor".

lol

If you pick out one game per season half the list can be labelled a star!

Banger's 97 finals series was when he was a star and doing it week in week out.

3 consecutive weeks of mid 30s disposals and 1 goal per game.

How can you try and say that Harvey in 2005 was close to Harvey at his peak??

It aint that difficult a concept.

 

[Jack2Johnston]

How did he go the following week?

From memory the next game he was probably BOG for saints against us.

 

[Plugger35]

If you pick out one game per season half the list can be labelled a star!

Banger's 97 finals series was when he was a star and doing it week in week out.

3 consecutive weeks of mid 30s disposals and 1 goal per game.

How can you try and say that Harvey in 2005 was close to Harvey at his peak??

It aint that difficult a concept.

Not many midfielders would be able to match Harvey at his peak, doesn't mean they aren't very good players though.

Harvey post knee reco was still a very good midfielder who could still dominate games, it was only in his last year or so where his output diminished as he played in shorter bursts off the bench.

 

[doppleganger]

Not many midfielders would be able to match Harvey at his peak, doesn't mean they aren't very good players though.

Harvey post knee reco was still a very good midfielder who could still dominate games, it was only in his last year or so where his output diminished as he played in shorter bursts off the bench.

As I said, Harvey post knee was not as good.

Hence, Lenny will not get back to his 2010 level.

Simple stuff...

 

[Plugger35]

As I said, Harvey post knee was not as good.

Hence, Lenny will not get back to his 2010 level.

Simple stuff...

Harvey was still capable of producing the sort of football he played at his peak after his knee reco, maybe not quite as consistently.

There is no reason Lenny can't still play the same sort of football he played in 2010 when he returns. Lenny is more of an inside midfielder than Harvey and relies less on his pace so I doubt the knee reco will have a big effect on the way he plays.

I know you're praying that Lenny can't get back to his best after he tore your team a new one in the first GF but write off champions at your peril.

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

what I love most about this thread is that despite the large problem St. Kilda has with stale and ageing players, St. Kilda supporters are going all tangential about Robert "retired 3 years ago" Harvey. Typical skewed priorities.

 

[Zahki]

If the Saints are hanging their hat on Lenny Hayes coming back to get them competitive again they are absolutely screwed and are about to enter another 4-5 years in the bottom 8. Bottom line is that the Saints need to improve, even with Hayes in their side. Hayes coming back gets them back to par and moves them away from being a total rabble, but doesn't elevate them back to premiership contender automatically.

 

[Falchoon]

If you pick out one game per season half the list can be labelled a star!

if you pick an interstate qualifying final away to the team that finished top you'll find Robert Harvey is the star. Even at 34 post knee.

How can you try and say that Harvey in 2005 was close to Harvey at his peak??

It aint that difficult a concept.

Harvey was better in '03-'06 than he was in '99-'01

The argument on Hayes has merit, but he's a complete opposite as a midfielder to Harvey, Nathan Burke would be a better example.

Calling Harvey a solid contributor rather than a star whilst he racks up 18 brownlow votes in a season, another All Australian, 2nd in the B&F to Hayes and wins an interstate final against the top team by himself is naive at best.

 

[Falchoon]

Not many midfielders would be able to match Harvey at his peak, doesn't mean they aren't very good players though.

Harvey post knee reco was still a very good midfielder who could still dominate games, it was only in his last year or so where his output diminished as he played in shorter bursts off the bench.

Harvey post knee reco was an All Australian.

 

[ULTIMATE_WARRIOR]

I agree that Lenny Hayes will struggle to perform to his 2010 standard week in week out upon his return next season. At his age and after a long lay off with a knee its hard to fathom anyone returning to that output consistantly. However, with a so far impressive David Armitage hopefully adding another 22+ games experience under his belt this year, it may give Hayes the chop out in the trenches in which he would need.

 

[LordLucifer]

Saints lost a thriller tonight against my mob which must shatter their players even more.

They are now 14th on the ladder (below the Suns, can you believe that ??) with just the solitary win to their name.

Assuming you need 12 wins to play finals this year, they need to win 11 from the remaining 17 rounds which on current performance is near impossible.

I think they have another bye in there somewhere which if true, makes it even harder again for them to resurrect their season.

Thanks for coming Saints, close the door on the way out please ...........

 

[Hump 17]

Saints lost a thriller tonight against my mob which must shatter their players even more.

They are now 14th on the ladder (below the Suns, can you believe that ??) with just the solitary win to their name.

Assuming you need 12 wins to play finals this year, they need to win 11 from the remaining 17 rounds which on current performance is near impossible.

I think they have another bye in there somewhere which if true, makes it even harder again for them to resurrect their season.

Thanks for coming Saints, close the door on the way out please ...........

Doesn't read well for your mob really. Struggled to beat 14th hardly convincing would you think.

 

[Ed_Gein]

If you had said to someone that after 7 weeks the Suns would be above the Saints on the ladder, people would have laughed in your face.

An amazing fall from grace after their last couple of years and their list has barely changed. Think the GF loss has taken a bigger toll on the players than what Lyon would lead you to believe.

Can't see them making the 8 at the moment. A lot can change though, they DO have the quality in the top half of their squad to turn things around, but you'd hope it would be sooner rather than later.

 

[Kevin_Cat_Prime]

I really thought they would beat Carlton tonight as I believe their season was on the line.

A 1-4-1 start would suggest it's too far too come back now.

 

[Kramer1]

Doesn't read well for your mob really. Struggled to beat 14th hardly convincing would you think.

Really? That's what you're going with? You guys came to play for your season against an understrength team you've owned 11 of the previous 12 times, and that's the best you have?

More pathetic than the light weight sniping some of you guys attempted tonight.

 

[serenityNow]

Doesn't read well for your mob really. Struggled to beat 14th hardly convincing would you think.

We were shithouse tonight, turnovers and inaccuracy is bad football...and tonight we did that and then some.....


Having said that, it was still enough to end your season and close your window.

 

[Tulip]

Same thing happened to the Pies in 2004. They'll pinch a few high draft picks, rebuild, revolutionise and will be back up there in a few years

 

[Bollox]

They've got some great players so out of form it aint funny.

Watching Riewoldt was painful, he's struggling to get any sort of form. His timing is so far off he's on the way down before the ball even gets to him. Something's seriously up with him...looks tired, looks like he almost doesnt giveashit.

Lyon cant give their season away yet...but not far off having change forced on him. God only knows why he'd be playing slow talentless spuds like Clarke and McQualter alongside yesterdays slow talentless spuds like Baker. As soon as that very top echelon of their guys are out of form badly the rest has been exposed like a festering sore.