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Saints Are Finished in 2011 & Beyond
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They can't replace Lyon.
There would be too much of a mass exodus if that were to occur. They couldn't justify to guys like Riewoldt, Dal Santo, Hayes and Goddard that they are no longer in "premiership mode" and expect them to stay around.
They need to extend his contract for at least another 2 seasons and give him the opportunity to find some quality young players to inject into the group.
However, as Paul Roos said awhile ago on the couch, perhaps it may come down to Ross wanting to go at the end of the season, if someone decided to come knocking and was interested in obtaining his services.
Some big decisions loom at St Kilda if they cannot turn their season around.
There would be too much of a mass exodus if that were to occur. They couldn't justify to guys like Riewoldt, Dal Santo, Hayes and Goddard that they are no longer in "premiership mode" and expect them to stay around.
They need to extend his contract for at least another 2 seasons and give him the opportunity to find some quality young players to inject into the group.
However, as Paul Roos said awhile ago on the couch, perhaps it may come down to Ross wanting to go at the end of the season, if someone decided to come knocking and was interested in obtaining his services.
Some big decisions loom at St Kilda if they cannot turn their season around.
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I think Goddard would be around for another tilt but it would be hard to convince Roo, Dal and Joey that they will see out a quick rebuild, say 2 years, and then still be there for the push back up.
My problem is; If Ross was to go who do we get to replace him?
So much of today's football is about IP. There is no doubt in my mind that the extra 5% gained by the Pies last year was from the addition of Ball, Hudgton and Jolly. They all possesed details of Ross, his gameplan and how to stifle his best and most important player in Riewoldt.
St.Kilda the year before were able to almost topple Geelong with the information given by Steven King and Leigh Tudor.
Is there anyone at Collingwood right now that would really leave?
Even if we brought in a new coach I think it would be a very hard sell for the fans/players/sponsors that things would pick back up UNLESS we landed a big fish ala MM or Roos.
Regardless of what happens I'd love to see one (or both) of Alan Richardson and Dean Laidley poached to help develop the kids. I rate these guys very, very highly and they are experts in an area we need the most help with. I had hoped we'd got one this year with the issues over at Port and Richo leaving the Dons. Both would also have the standing and authority to tell Ross something I don't think he hears enough - NO.
Ross - "Gilbert doesn't want to play up forward. So for 2011 we should just keep him down back."
Laidley - "NO."
Ross - "McEvoy was a high draft pick. 2nd best ruck behind Kruezer that year. Should be right on his own for 90% game time in the middle yeah?"
Richardson - "NO"
Ross - "The two Toms - Walch and Lynch - seem to be having fun playing in the 2's. Let's let them develop there a little longer..."
Richardson and Laidley - "NO!"
Sigh...
A man can dream can't he?
My problem is; If Ross was to go who do we get to replace him?
So much of today's football is about IP. There is no doubt in my mind that the extra 5% gained by the Pies last year was from the addition of Ball, Hudgton and Jolly. They all possesed details of Ross, his gameplan and how to stifle his best and most important player in Riewoldt.
St.Kilda the year before were able to almost topple Geelong with the information given by Steven King and Leigh Tudor.
Is there anyone at Collingwood right now that would really leave?
Even if we brought in a new coach I think it would be a very hard sell for the fans/players/sponsors that things would pick back up UNLESS we landed a big fish ala MM or Roos.
Regardless of what happens I'd love to see one (or both) of Alan Richardson and Dean Laidley poached to help develop the kids. I rate these guys very, very highly and they are experts in an area we need the most help with. I had hoped we'd got one this year with the issues over at Port and Richo leaving the Dons. Both would also have the standing and authority to tell Ross something I don't think he hears enough - NO.
Ross - "Gilbert doesn't want to play up forward. So for 2011 we should just keep him down back."
Laidley - "NO."
Ross - "McEvoy was a high draft pick. 2nd best ruck behind Kruezer that year. Should be right on his own for 90% game time in the middle yeah?"
Richardson - "NO"
Ross - "The two Toms - Walch and Lynch - seem to be having fun playing in the 2's. Let's let them develop there a little longer..."
Richardson and Laidley - "NO!"
Sigh...
A man can dream can't he?
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Matty Lappin lives 5 minutes from Seaford, given the apparent nightmare in travelling all the way to Seaford each day, you can only imagine the perilous and arduous journey he must take each day with the traffic.
btw, do Collingwood have anyone on board who hasn't played at St Kilda?
Not in 2007. Their plum draft was 2001. Nice predictable response, though, shame it wasnt too well thought through.
Took them six years to rebuild - about average I'd say.
Collingwood did it in five....from 2005 to 2010. Our "plum" draft wasnt until 2006. So we really did it in four years.
No doubt by the time we win our fourth flag in this era, we'll have as many nine-ten year players as Geelong had in 2009.
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With a good injury run, full pre season, why cant the saints win the flag in 2012?
- hayes back
- mcevoy and stanley reading to be ruckman
- steven, armitage, smith, cripps, lynch, siposs, heyne, winmar - youth/speed ready to go
- goddard, reiwoldt, fisher, hayes, montagna, dal santo, Gram, Gwilt, Schnieder, Milne will all be still great players, what do you think they are suddenly going to be 40 years old an useless? AND not playing finals in 2011 ALL will be fresh raring to go.
- 2 good quick players drafted this year might be all we need
This group is not done yet. laughable to suggest so. The players know it and will be back. Too many guns to give up now.
Just need R.Clarke to be consistent he is a gun when 'on' he is fast and reads play very well. He's major problem is motivation and disposal under pressure which are hard to rectify i know - but my god if he did he would make fools of all of you.
We get our best 22 on the park and some luck we could well win the 2012 flag.
- hayes back
- mcevoy and stanley reading to be ruckman
- steven, armitage, smith, cripps, lynch, siposs, heyne, winmar - youth/speed ready to go
- goddard, reiwoldt, fisher, hayes, montagna, dal santo, Gram, Gwilt, Schnieder, Milne will all be still great players, what do you think they are suddenly going to be 40 years old an useless? AND not playing finals in 2011 ALL will be fresh raring to go.
- 2 good quick players drafted this year might be all we need
This group is not done yet. laughable to suggest so. The players know it and will be back. Too many guns to give up now.
Just need R.Clarke to be consistent he is a gun when 'on' he is fast and reads play very well. He's major problem is motivation and disposal under pressure which are hard to rectify i know - but my god if he did he would make fools of all of you.
We get our best 22 on the park and some luck we could well win the 2012 flag.
What if the saints ditched Lyon and got Roos?
What difference would it make?
Lyon was a couple of kicks away from two flags. Roos was a contested mark away from no flags.
Cant see how changing the coach will make a difference - especially one cut from the same cloth in terms of game-plan.
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2007 - 2001 = 6
Here's the bit you cut
apparently it was
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I gather you don't watch 'On the Couch'
No. Why?
Apologies for not adding a smilie or something similar so idiots like yourself would understand I was taking the proverbial.
Because the 22 you've listed won't have anywhere near the required quality or depth in its mid-20's core to win a flag.
Compare St.Kilda's 23-26yo's in September 2012 - Goddard/Gwilt/Clarke/Armitage/Walsh - with
Swan/Thomas/Cloke/Shaw/Ball/O'Brien/Toovey/Goldsack
Ablett/Bartel/Johnson/Taylor/Kelly/Mackie/Byrnes/Blake
Hodge/Mitchell/Sewell/Brown/Guerra/Campbell/Gilham/Williams/Osborne/Ladson
Ablett/Bartell/Johnson/Chapman/Enright/Corey/Ling/Mackie/Rooke/Kelly/Hunt/Byrnes
Judd/Cox/Glass/Kerr/Embley/Hunter/Lynch/Stenglein/Hansen/Jones/Jones
Goodes/O'Keefe/Bolton/Bolton/Jolly/Davis/Kennelly/Mathews/Fosdike
and so on...
The 9 younger players you've named have less than 70 games' experience between them, and won't be seasoned enough to contend as a group.
You're right about the top end - the quality is still there on paper. But the question underpinning St.Kilda's current form slump will remain - do they still want it badly enough?
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Paul Roos has serious man love for Ross Lyon.
He might be coaxed to work alongside Ross, he certainly wouldn't take over from Ross.
Really? Ok, with the list you have, you may well be able to give it a crack, but Lyon really has got to try something different or be replaced. The players have lost their confidence in themselves, each other, and the game plan. Some big changes need to be made in terms of game plan and attitude for this to happen.. And the other thing is that if the Saints really do focus everything on the 2012 flag, it's going to put back their rebuild two years, and instead of getting away with a partial rebuild now and challenging again in 4 years (if lucky) they'll have to to a total rebuild and won't challence again for around 8 years at best..
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Wonder why so many opposition supporters are happy to proffer what is wrong with Saints footy and what to do about it. We should be happy if they are on the slide, because I do not yet believe they are out of contention to make the GF. Hayes is a major concern, but I would not at all be surprised if they completely make and shake the top 4.
They have the capacity, talent and incentive to repeat 2010, but is the desire what it should be? That is really the only thing missing, other than Hayes. Desire will lead to confidence and form, and then they keep winning.
They have the capacity, talent and incentive to repeat 2010, but is the desire what it should be? That is really the only thing missing, other than Hayes. Desire will lead to confidence and form, and then they keep winning.
Didn't have them in my top 6 before the season begun. They play a boring style of footy and lack depth. To cap it off the injury to Lenny whom I consider their most valuable player by a mile just drowns any chance they have of final aspirations this year.
I don't agree. They have a very tough draw over the coming weeks, playing Carlton, Hawks, Melbourne and Freo away then the Pies. Of those games I give them a realistic chance (in their current form) of beating Melbourne, but will in all likelihood drop the other 4, which will put them at 2.5 wins after 11 rounds. They would have to win 11 straight games to be a chance of making the top four. Cannot see that happening, especially with a house as divided as theirs.
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