Review Season in review 2022

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overall im content. i dont know if thats because i lowered my expectations from where i set them at the beginning of the season or because im happy to settle for being a competitive team considering for most of my time remembering the lions we've been largely rubbish. still think there were more good things than bad to come out of this year

my biggest change for next year would be to fully commit to the gamestyle we were using against melbourne last week. high pressure, quick ball movement is when we look the best, and to be honest even with 3 talls we've been a pretty poor team aerially all year imo. next year embrace a smaller set up as a chance to get a different look for the team. hopefully after off season surgery joe is capable of crashing packs and taking some contested marks / bringing the ball to ground again because we missed that dearly over the course of the season


Positives
  • Rayner, Dev, Payne, Wilmot all have a lot of space left to develop and have shown over the course of finals at differing stages that they are coming along nicely. bullish on Rayner and Payne in particular for next year
  • Clug first year as an inside mid was pretty good. think he has another level to go to as well
  • Adams getting another good run of games - AA squad form until getting covid
  • Neale at full flight
  • Charlie and Bailey each had games where they took absolute control for periods and showed they are bona fide match winners
  • showed we can match it against every team and can win anywhere (aside from goomba... yet)
  • Starce and Coleman excellent year in defence


Negatives
  • too much focus on having best 22 out on the park at every possible chance. continuity is good, but rotating the squad to rest players and reward form more often in the seconds should be embraced. this hurt even more with sticking fat with players like robbo who imo has not been best 22 all year. Zorko's body clearly cant handle 23 weeks of footy anymore
  • Defence didnt look right after Adams missed with covid. andrews regained form in finals but had some pretty ordinary games over the course of the year. lot of this stems from how easy opposition seemed to move the ball against us in the midfield and get clean entries inside 50. Think we lost any real capacity to intercept mark about halfway through the year
  • When we lost in the midfield we lost horrendously
  • struggle to play 4 quarters towards the back end of the year - very frustrating to watch us look amazing for a half then absolutely diabolical for the rest of the match
  • tied into the above inability to stop opposition run ons against us in many times - sometimes because they just look too good in the moment but many times because we just didnt recognise the need to take the heat out of the game
  • JL... whatever happened there?
  • Still for whatever reason not a great traveling team. think there is definite scope for improvement as to how we approach away games


Book those who need it in for surgery and we'll be right back in the thick of it next year. especially if we bring in dunkley, ashcroft and fletcher in the off season. Want to Fages and the coaching group take this as a chance to hit the drawing board and try some new ideas out next year
 
What also can’t be lost in the wash up of having a run through the finals is that we still conceded over 100 points in 2 of those finals and in the other one allowed 24 scoring shots which coincidentally was more than we had on the night.

Since the bye we conceded an average of 92 points a game. Not winning a flag with those numbers. Can’t always rely on us to kick 100 points ourselves to win a game.

Obviously not saying anything we don’t all know here but we have to be far better defensively next year and beyond. Hopefully personnel, both in the playing and possibly the coaching group helps that.
 

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Poor end of the season and poor prelim , no real improvement , defence was poor on ballers too easily shut down
This team has no toughness about it , waste of a year , slid from a possible top 2 position which made the climb to a grand final one step too far
 
Coaching, Leadership, Forwards, Midfield, Backs, Development.

I'm a glass half full person, we are playing finals consistently now and will for the next 4 or 5 years. I do think every business, club, organisations should review all aspects of their program at the end of every year. Some tinkering i think we could do.

Coaching - I get the feel our coaching team are a bit set in their ways. We looked good against Richmond and Melbourne and that was with a 2 key forward structure which was forced on the coaches through injury and late withdrawal. I also think we have become predictable, same team, same structures - no Plan B or C if things go wrong. I think we need to mix it up a bit, maybe some new assistants just to refresh the ideas. If we get Ashcroft and Dunkley and loose McStay that will give us flexibility to change the game plan - or game plans and some new ideas would be good.

Leadership - So hard to find new leaders but need something more on the field to lift against momentum changes. We just don't have a Selwood, Voss, type who carries a team up and out of the trench into battle again. Maybe with Lachie's commitment going forward he can be it with the enthusiasm of someone like Rayner as the deputy.

Forwards, nothing to do with him but McStay's leaving may solve the issue. I prefer 2 ruckman to the 3 tall forwards. We do seem better with Darcy Fort in the team. I think Loman in the forwards will also give us flexibility we just seem slow in defence with all the big boys there.

Midfield - the ability to defend against momentum shifts is our weakness, Dunkley is the right sort and if he goes as expected Ashcroft helping Lachie win more clean ball. Berry and Rayner with the bigger bodies will help if they have good pre=seasons. I generally think we are right here. Lynons out made a difference and Dev in gave us more running power and help in on the way.

Backs, Well I'm bullish on Payne, he will be fine, Adams if he is fit is also fine and that would allow us to use Harris Andrews more as an interceptor which I think we are lacking. We just don't seem to be able to cut off the opposition attacks like Melbourne and Geelong do. Blooding Wilmont late in the season gave us some more speed and Colman is great. Gardnier and Rich for all their experience and dependability seems to be the positions we need to look at and get some rebounding speed. Maybe it's just Coleman and Wilmont with more development but we need a Gardnier sized back with more speed and poise under pressure.

Development - I think we need a revolving door in the team, well a mentality around it. Not a whole team thing, just 1 position where we are blooding these kids 1 or 2 games each as part of thier development. We are kinda close but it's been an injury replacement thing and i think we can do better. We are a good team, we know that, our core is great and will be a finals contender, but the next generation should be getting 6 or so games a season. Players like McCarthy, Rich, Zorko, Berry can be rested for a week and truly 'managed'. This would improve our development and our unpredictability.

Anyway, was a great season, we saw how we should play and what we need to do, just have to produce that more consistently and choose to do it not have it thrust upon us with injury, suspension and personal reasoning.
 
Nathan Barley said:
If at the start of the year you were told Lyons would play himself out of the best 22, Zorko would go ungraciously into retirement, Robbo would have wished he retired last year, none of Berry, Rayner, Bailey, Prior, Dev, Ah Chee, etc. would become consistent midfield contributors. Then you probably would’ve been happy with 2 final wins
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Honestly, if you told me that at the start of the year I would have guessed we'd struggle to make the top 8 - especially if you threw in Daniher injured his shoulder early on and wouldn't commit to a contest thereafter.
 
It's clear we're not going to make it with the current group as is. We've been shellacked in 2 of our last 4 games . Other teams such as Swans , Collingwood , Carlton and Freo have emerged below us. There's a brittleness there when things don't go our way. It's hard to escape this reality if we're honest with ourselves.

We need to improve our list and the capacity of those there to play better for longer against strong opposition.
 
My take on where to from here, player by player:

Adams - hopefully gets back to full fitness and trains the house down in the preseason. At his best he makes us a much stronger team defensively. I would like to think he has a dominant injury-free season next year. B+ player at his best, could be an A with a good run next season.

Ah Chee - has become a reliable workhorse now. He neither wins or loses us games on his own. Hopefully still development left in him but will play a role somehow during the season. B grade player - solid and trustworthy.

Andrews - has to get his body right and work out how he more effectively plays the critical role he has. We need his best seasons ahead of him. C/B this season - needs to be an A grader again.

Answerth - I remain a little unconvinced by Answerth going forward, tough and committed but perhaps not enough strings to his bow. Not a wing, not a midfielder and needs more tools as a defender. C grade player - better than many but not close to the best in his positions. Probably not making many of the other top teams’ best 22.

Bailey - still young enough to keep improving. Next season should be his best so far if that holds true. He can be a key damaging player for us. Needs to work on endurance and defensive side to add that extra element. Also staying fully involved in games for the whole duration -seeking the ball more. One of our most dangerous running forward. Probably a B/B+ Player now - time to be an A grader Zac.

JBerry - the type of player who gives his all. Has improved as the season has gone on. Now should be ready to build his reputation based on his semifinal performance - that is the level for him to aim for. B+ with some A grade roles would be excellent next season.

TBerry - unsure of his status but the clock is ticking for him. A now or never stage of his career next season perhaps. Tough and involved but maybe not the build or skills to get to the next level and stay there. C grade but not for want of trying. B grade or bust I think.

Cameron - defensive side has been his biggest gain this year. More of that and he becomes a very difficult dangerous player for oppositions. He needs to play the game that suits his skills - further up the ground and running back towards goal - few will beat him one-on-one. Elite A grade -few better in his role, if he adds to his defensive side he would securely be in the top three current small forwards.

Cockatoo - hard to see where we go from here. I’m not sure we are going to get any revelations at this stage of his career. Perhaps he reached his level which makes him depth only. C with patches of B. Hard to see it changing but you never know.

Blake Coleman - enough signs now to suggest that with a big preseason he could really develop next season. Signs of good skills and game awareness. I would like him to continue trying a few different roles to see which fits his talents and our needs best. Currently a C+ player but has the capacity to be a B grader next season and who knows from there.

Kiddy Coleman - something of a breakout year. Looks like he is working out his own impact on games. Once it all clicks he will be the main man distributing and setting up play. Hopefully a massive season next year and already becoming critical to our ball movement. B+ now, aim should be elite AA within the next couple of seasons. He is good enough.

Mitch Cox - not sure if he will be contracted. Showed a few signs but not so many that he is likely to advance much further. Hard worker. C grade looks his level.

Daniher - he is what he is. Being fit and healthy would make a big difference. Has to work out a role that makes defenders need to exhaust themselves in managing him. The goals matter but the role matters more I think. A tall defender has to be accountable all game on Joe. Some defence from him would be nice. Anywhere from D to A grade. Sometimes all in the one game. Joe is Joe and probably won’t change much.

Fort - in many ways now an equal of Oscar. It would be good if has a little more improvement left. Plenty of aspects of his game show encouraging signs. A big preseason and he could be too valuable to leave out. Now a B grade ruckman, probably not going to be elite but a high B grader will do the job.

Fullarton - has come a long way this season. Looking more and more like a player who might make it given the opportunities. Plenty still to work on but I have been impressed with his development this season. B- but improving. With his skill set could get to a high B which would make him more than serviceable.

Gardiner - tough but the body is only holding together enough. Defensively works hard but may not offer enough speed and skill in attack in the modern game. Others seem poised to move past him I feel. Realistically a C+/B- player that wouldn’t make best 22 in a few of the teams in the comp. Not to denigrate his efforts.

Hipwood - an impressive end to a season he started quite late. Actually our most important tall forward in the finals. His off the ball efforts have improved a lot. Still makes some silly errors but a big preseason and hopefully he is headed for his best season to date. Quite hard to match up on now - clubs will start putting more thought into him. B to B+. Could even sneak into A grade but remains to be seen if he can sustain that level. Encouraging signs.
 
martinson said:
It's clear we're not going to make it with the current group as is. We've been shellacked in 2 of our last 4 games . Other teams such as Swans , Collingwood , Carlton and Freo have emerged below us. There's a brittleness there when things don't go our way. It's hard to escape this reality if we're honest with ourselves.

We need to improve our list and the capacity of those there to play better for longer against strong opposition.
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Have a quick glance back at last years results… Geelong lost the prelim by 83 points…. The changes they made were limited… added a couple of players which is what we are doing. Natural growth and we are not far off at all!
 
AFLQLD said:
My take on where to from here, player by player:

Adams - hopefully gets back to full fitness and trains the house down in the preseason. At his best he makes us a much stronger team defensively. I would like to think he has a dominant injury-free season next year. B+ player at his best, could be an A with a good run next season.

Ah Chee - has become a reliable workhorse now. He neither wins or loses us games on his own. Hopefully still development left in him but will play a role somehow during the season. B grade player - solid and trustworthy.

Andrews - has to get his body right and work out how he more effectively plays the critical role he has. We need his best seasons ahead of him. C/B this season - needs to be an A grader again.

Answerth - I remain a little unconvinced by Answerth going forward, tough and committed but perhaps not enough strings to his bow. Not a wing, not a midfielder and needs more tools as a defender. C grade player - better than many but not close to the best in his positions. Probably not making many of the other top teams’ best 22.

Bailey - still young enough to keep improving. Next season should be his best so far if that holds true. He can be a key damaging player for us. Needs to work on endurance and defensive side to add that extra element. Also staying fully involved in games for the whole duration -seeking the ball more. One of our most dangerous running forward. Probably a B/B+ Player now - time to be an A grader Zac.

JBerry - the type of player who gives his all. Has improved as the season has gone on. Now should be ready to build his reputation based on his semifinal performance - that is the level for him to aim for. B+ with some A grade roles would be excellent next season.

TBerry - unsure of his status but the clock is ticking for him. A now or never stage of his career next season perhaps. Tough and involved but maybe not the build or skills to get to the next level and stay there. C grade but not for want of trying. B grade or bust I think.

Cameron - defensive side has been his biggest gain this year. More of that and he becomes a very difficult dangerous player for oppositions. He needs to play the game that suits his skills - further up the ground and running back towards goal - few will beat him one-on-one. Elite A grade -few better in his role, if he adds to his defensive side he would securely be in the top three current small forwards.

Cockatoo - hard to see where we go from here. I’m not sure we are going to get any revelations at this stage of his career. Perhaps he reached his level which makes him depth only. C with patches of B. Hard to see it changing but you never know.

Blake Coleman - enough signs now to suggest that with a big preseason he could really develop next season. Signs of good skills and game awareness. I would like him to continue trying a few different roles to see which fits his talents and our needs best. Currently a C+ player but has the capacity to be a B grader next season and who knows from there.

Kiddy Coleman - something of a breakout year. Looks like he is working out his own impact on games. Once it all clicks he will be the main man distributing and setting up play. Hopefully a massive season next year and already becoming critical to our ball movement. B+ now, aim should be elite AA within the next couple of seasons. He is good enough.

Mitch Cox - not sure if he will be contracted. Showed a few signs but not so many that he is likely to advance much further. Hard worker. C grade looks his level.

Daniher - he is what he is. Being fit and healthy would make a big difference. Has to work out a role that makes defenders need to exhaust themselves in managing him. The goals matter but the role matters more I think. A tall defender has to be accountable all game on Joe. Some defence from him would be nice. Anywhere from D to A grade. Sometimes all in the one game. Joe is Joe and probably won’t change much.

Fort - in many ways now an equal of Oscar. It would be good if has a little more improvement left. Plenty of aspects of his game show encouraging signs. A big preseason and he could be too valuable to leave out. Now a B grade ruckman, probably not going to be elite but a high B grader will do the job.

Fullarton - has come a long way this season. Looking more and more like a player who might make it given the opportunities. Plenty still to work on but I have been impressed with his development this season. B- but improving. With his skill set could get to a high B which would make him more than serviceable.

Gardiner - tough but the body is only holding together enough. Defensively works hard but may not offer enough speed and skill in attack in the modern game. Others seem poised to move past him I feel. Realistically a C+/B- player that wouldn’t make best 22 in a few of the teams in the comp. Not to denigrate his efforts.

Hipwood - an impressive end to a season he started quite late. Actually our most important tall forward in the finals. His off the ball efforts have improved a lot. Still makes some silly errors but a big preseason and hopefully he is headed for his best season to date. Quite hard to match up on now - clubs will start putting more thought into him. B to B+. Could even sneak into A grade but remains to be seen if he can sustain that level. Encouraging signs.
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Also Carter Michael has shown enough this season he can put pressure on Answerth and Rich in the back line. Not sure about McFayd but might come on.
 
MSB ROYS said:
Several new assistant coaches with a better game plan. Preferably at least one who has played AFL recently in a team that actually has a game plan. No more teacher bullshit. Train it all summer.

Think more statregicly about selection and be prepared to drop poorly performing players/reward VFL form. Zorko, Lyons, Rich etc should not be guaranteed games.
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100% correct MSB ROYS - 100%

In the final analysis, we just were not coached well enough, our list is not quite strong enough, Fagan consistently ‘doubled down’ on out of form ‘favourites’ and we had to take the hard road, due to serial lapses after we were sitting on the top of the ladder after 14 rounds.

The part of your post that resonates loudest, however, is the need for Fagan to get rid of all the talk about “learnings” and “growth mindset”. As someone who has worked in education for over thirty years, the most disturbing and destructive morale killer in the workplace that I have seen has been the rise of TOXIC POSITIVITY. This is where staff, who are exhausted and disenchanted are required to attend staff meetings where people are ‘encouraged’ to share with the group the things they want to ‘celebrate’ about their experience at work. This sort of ‘happy clappy’ approach is often the most pronounced in workplaces that have the most real problems.

Forget ‘learnings’ - Geelong taught us a lesson last night and no amount of ‘growth mindset’ is going to improve our team if we don’t heed that lesson. Positive thinking, for example, is not going to improve Noah Answerth’s poor disposal skills and it is not going to help us to play with the hard drilled discipline displayed by Geelong.

We are a team that has enormous flair, skill and potential, but we need much less talk and much more action from our football department. If Zorko, Rich, Lyons and Gardiner are at the Lions next year, they should not be guaranteed games. Similarly, players like Robertson and Prior deserve a proper run in the Seniors and if Cam Rayner is not going to be the high impact midfield bull we had hoped for, then he needs a role he can learn and successfully execute.

Fagan needs to take a lesson from Chris Scott too. Scott was a hard and uncompromising footballer and he comes across as the same sort of coach. Less Kumbaya from Fagan and more ruthlessness is needed if he is ever going to win a Premiership at Brisbane.
 
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LIONS08 said:
Have a quick glance back at last years results… Geelong lost the prelim by 83 points…. The changes they made were limited… added a couple of players which is what we are doing. Natural growth and we are not far off at all!
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To take a club that's been successful for a long time and say because we both got torched in a prelim that makes us on a similar trajectory is illogical.

We have players who haven't stood up in clutch games for a few years. We're a good team but just lack hardness and stability around the ground with too many who think they're stars and not enough solid workhorses.

I think there's a measure of delusion in how we seem to overrate some of our players.

It's all fine ,we're competitive and have a good team but not a team that will win a flag without some significant personnel changes and more rapid improvement in some of the ones we expected to be outstanding players by now.

It's not a criticism. Just stating the obvious on whatever I've seen.
 
All things considered I think we did alright to make it to the prelims.

Throughout most of the season I didn't think we were playing great football. We would bank some wins, but for the most part I never really thought we were playing at a level that would win us a premiership. The dips in performance from some of our senior players really hurt us.

I suppose the good news is getting Ashcroft and potentially Dunkley will address our midfield woes.
 

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martinson said:
It's clear we're not going to make it with the current group as is. We've been shellacked in 2 of our last 4 games . Other teams such as Swans , Collingwood , Carlton and Freo have emerged below us. There's a brittleness there when things don't go our way. It's hard to escape this reality if we're honest with ourselves.

We need to improve our list and the capacity of those there to play better for longer against strong opposition.
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What do you mean by current group? Does adding Dunkley and Ashcroft change the current group? Or are you talking more and bigger changes?

IMO there’s so many guys in our best 22 that have another level to go to and the current core we have is good enough to take us all the way. Add Dunkley and Ashcroft to the team then more games into guys like Dev, Wilmot and Lohmann and I think the squad is only getting better and has loads of improvement from a team that just made a prelim.
 
Some_guy said:
All things considered I think we did alright to make it to the prelims.

Throughout most of the season I didn't think we were playing great football. We would bank some wins, but for the most part I never really thought we were playing at a level that would win us a premiership. The dips in performance from some of our senior players really hurt us.

I suppose the good news is getting Ashcroft and potentially Dunkley will address our midfield woes.
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I'm surprised we made the prelims but the Richmond game could've gone either way and Melbourne were cooked.

We also had a few players who were struggling with injury and others such as Rayner and Hipwood who had excuses coming off ACL's.

I really believe we need to be ruthless in this offseason and plot a peak in 2025 whilst still remaining in contention.

Listening to Fages post match it was same old story. What he really thinks I wouldn't know. But obviously we'll be making list changes and the coaches also need to be looked at.
 
mattsmob said:
What do you mean by current group? Does adding Dunkley and Ashcroft change the current group? Or are you talking more and bigger changes?

IMO there’s so many guys in our best 22 that have another level to go to and the current core we have is good enough to take us all the way. Add Dunkley and Ashcroft to the team then more games into guys like Dev, Wilmot and Lohmann and I think the squad is only getting better and has loads of improvement from a team that just made a prelim.
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I don't quite agree. Who are the 'so many' that have another level to go. We were saying that in 2019. Dev Wilmot and Lohman are promising sure . Are they going to be very good players .Who knows.

Not saying you're wrong but the evidence isn't compelling.
 
martinson said:
Melbourne ,Swans and Collingwood have come from behind us , one's already won a flag and two have gone past us.

It happens in footy. We're not that far away but to think our current group is any better to theirs doesn't withstand scrutiny.
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Hardly the case… Melbourne played in a prelim 2018… had a down year following.
Collingwood played granny 18, prelim 19, semi 20… then had a down year
 
LIONS08 said:
Hardly the case… Melbourne played in a prelim 2018… had a down year following.
Collingwood played granny 18, prelim 19, semi 20… then had a down year
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Collingwood finished 2nd last last year didn't they ?

You've also got Carlton and Freo emerging.

It's not the end of the world and all of those teams are on a par with us now imo.

It seems we have many who are still thinking like it's 2019 and we're on the cusp of some sort of dynasty. It hasn't happened. Some of our supposed champs may never take the next step. If we take stock now and strengthen our list considerably and get whatever improvement and extra strength out of those we have confidence in the chances are we're going to be more than competitive.

Just trying to paint the picture as is ,not the one we're hoping for.
 
martinson said:
To take a club that's been successful for a long time and say because we both got torched in a prelim that makes us on a similar trajectory is illogical.

We have players who haven't stood up in clutch games for a few years. We're a good team but just lack hardness and stability around the ground with too many who think they're stars and not enough solid workhorses.

I think there's a measure of delusion in how we seem to overrate some of our players.

It's all fine ,we're competitive and have a good team but not a team that will win a flag without some significant personnel changes and more rapid improvement in some of the ones we expected to be outstanding players by now.

It's not a criticism. Just stating the obvious on whatever I've seen.
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So we need more than 4 years of making finals…. Being less than a kick away from making 4 straight prelims to be able to be compared to Geelong? It is a much tougher task for us than someone like Geelong to stay relevant. Once again this year Geelong have had two first round picks already request trades to them… it’s remarkable where we have come from and the growth still left in the list is extremely promising.

Who are you referring to in the bolded bit?
 
martinson said:
Collingwood finished 2nd last last year didn't they ?

You've also got Carlton and Freo emerging.

It's not the end of the world and all of those teams are on a par with us now imo.

It seems we have many who are still thinking like it's 2019 and we're on the cusp of some sort of dynasty. It hasn't happened. Some of our supposed champs may never take the next step. If we take stock now and strengthen our list considerably and get whatever improvement and extra strength out of those we have confidence in the chances are we're going to be more than competitive.

Just trying to paint the picture as is ,not the one we're hoping for.
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martinson said:
Collingwood finished 2nd last last year didn't they ?

You've also got Carlton and Freo emerging.

It's not the end of the world and all of those teams are on a par with us now imo.

It seems we have many who are still thinking like it's 2019 and we're on the cusp of some sort of dynasty. It hasn't happened. Some of our supposed champs may never take the next step. If we take stock now and strengthen our list considerably and get whatever improvement and extra strength out of those we have confidence in the chances are we're going to be more than competitive.

Just trying to paint the picture as is ,not the one we're hoping for.
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The dees also finished second last in 2019…. It doesn’t take much to have an off year! Could have easily been us but this group is extremely resilient!

All I am saying is I completely disagree with what you are saying and we are not that far off…. Clug, hippy and Bez 24… Rayner, Starc and Bailey 22… kiddy, Wilmot, dev all coming through! There is plenty… plenty to look forward to!
 
LIONS08 said:
The dees also finished second last in 2019…. It doesn’t take much to have an off year! Could have easily been us but this group is extremely resilient!

All I am saying is I completely disagree with what you are saying and we are not that far off…. Clug, hippy and Bez 24… Rayner, Starc and Bailey 22… kiddy, Wilmot, dev all coming through! There is plenty… plenty to look forward to!
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Yeah sure. But I think we overrate some of those players on their actual records. And in big games overall.

It's possible we're not far off. It's also probable others aren't far off or ahead of us.

I'm looking forward to whatever happens as well but I just don't see how we can win a flag without significant changes to the list and our gameplan . If we're able to execute a different gameplan.

It's been exceptional for we supporters to play finals 4 years in a row. But nothing is guaranteed from here. We can see where we've fallen short and I hope like hell we're doing our utmost to rectify it if we can.
 
martinson said:
I don't quite agree. Who are the 'so many' that have another level to go. We were saying that in 2019. Dev Wilmot and Lohman are promising sure . Are they going to be very good players .Who knows.

Not saying you're wrong but the evidence isn't compelling.
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Don’t quite have time to reply in depth at the moment but will come back to it when I do.
 
martinson said:
Yeah sure. But I think we overrate some of those players on their actual records. And in big games overall.

It's possible we're not far off. It's also probable others aren't far off or ahead of us.

I'm looking forward to whatever happens as well but I just don't see how we can win a flag without significant changes to the list and our gameplan . If we're able to execute a different gameplan.

It's been exceptional for we supporters to play finals 4 years in a row. But nothing is guaranteed from here. We can see where we've fallen short and I hope like hell we're doing our utmost to rectify it if we can.
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You talk like it's so easy to win a flag and so easy to identify weakness's in our club. :rolleyes:
 
Mighty Lions said:
You talk like it's so easy to win a flag and so easy to identify weakness's in our club. :rolleyes:
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Not at all . It's very very difficult for a club like ours to win a flag these days and likewise very difficult to move players on when you can't replace them with something better.

This discussion morphed into how we take the next step and I'm just offering my honest thoughts on where we're at and what could be done to improve us.

Overall I'm happy with the club and the progress we've made. You can't do the impossible. But we should be able to improve on what we've got.
 

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