SFNL Div 1 2018

[Boss Hogg]

I have been told by people from multiple clubs now that this has been handled and there is no further action to take place. The players who people have doubts over have been given dispensation at the start of the year, the only issue is really the lack of transparency from the league to other clubs. Hopefully them come out and confirm all this soon.

So I am going to discuss this weekends football instead.

Ehhhh not-a so fast-a Scuzidapun . I have also been told from multiple clubs that from the league's point of view the issue has been put to rest as they cannot undo what has been signed off and approved prior to the new administration starting. An attempt to pour cold water on the fire? Call it what you will. However there still is an AFL Victoria review of proceedings occurring in the background regarding the approved dispensation that the league and its clubs are waiting on. I guess watch this space on this one

 

[weight man]

I have been told by people from multiple clubs now that this has been handled and there is no further action to take place. The players who people have doubts over have been given dispensation at the start of the year, the only issue is really the lack of transparency from the league to other clubs. Hopefully them come out and confirm all this soon.

So I am going to discuss this weekends football instead.

DINGLEY vs Port Colts (26 Points)

Dingley have been battling the last few weeks particularly it seems to kick a score. They should be able to get back on the winners list tomorrow and get their season back on track somewhat. Port have been hanging about in games so think this one will be close enough for the majority of the day.

EAST MALVERN vs St Kilda City (31 Points)

My team to beat for the year are flying at the moment. A strong senior midfield group has got the better of just about everyone they have faced and i can see this continuing. St Kilda City are a bit inconsistent and i think they will struggle to stay with the Panthers in the battle of the PPV.

BENTLEIGH vs Oakleigh Districts (9 points)

An improved Oakleigh Districts in recent weeks makes this a lot closer than what i wold have said it would be 2/3 weeks ago. However i think Bentleigh will just get over the line at home and stay in that top group in the log jam at the top of the table.

Chelsea Heights vs MORDIALLOC (73 points)

Blowout of the round. Having watched Chelsea Heights a few weeks ago they look to have a few injuries, the class and depth gap here will show out at the end of the day. If the conditions stay dry i think the margin may be bigger.

Cheltenham vs ST PAULS (41 Points)

Another blowout of sorts, all the pre season hope and talk around Cheltenham has shown to be nothing but hot air. From all reports completed dismantled last round and barely gave a yelp. St Pauls have had a small slide of their own with a couple of blips on the radar, however they will account for the Rosella's easily in this one.

Ummm

The only issue being the lack of transparency

I feel like that’s a fairly large issue

 

[demonstrate]

Ummm

The only issue being the lack of transparency

I feel like that’s a fairly large issue

Transparency or not , the C.E.O. is quoted in the leader as saying he is tired of clubs dobbing on each other ! At least 3/4 clubs from div 1-3 run close or on the 47 pt threshold every week(at least 1 club ran at 48 pts last round)Others who have junior feeder clubs or own junior programs rely heavily on these 1 pt players to maintain lower points. The clubs who do not have junior/development programs are generally assessed for some points dispensation via the league/AFL. Regardless of the intention of the points cap being implemented the clubs with no junior feeder must convince the league that they are viable and have some intent in either retaining players recruited long term or trying to initiate a junior program. The system will again be debated at the end of this season and no doubt further rule changes,however this does not address the "dobbing" element. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn"t it the league who said they would not review team points allocated on match day unless an official complaint from the opposing club was received ?

 

[2s Hack]

I don’t think the league expected everyone to come to them at once.

 

[Billy the Lid]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader...p/news-story/8c250c2ea9d59542eca340ae3b917648

This issue still making news. A bit rough of the CEO to pot clubs when this debacle is at least partly of the leagues doing. If the article is to be believed 6 x Div. 1 (Bentleigh, Cheltenham, Chelsea Heights, Dingley, Oakleigh Districts & St Pauls) are leading the charge. Appears Port Colts and Mordialloc are not fussed and prepared to let it slide while obviously St Kilda and East Malvern just want it to go away. Whichever way you slice it this is shambles with a lack of transparency and consistent application of the points dispensation seemingly at the heart of the issue.

Anyway on to the more important business of this weeks' games.

DINGLEY v Port Colts
Dingley by 5 – 6 goals against an improving Colts.

EAST MALVERN v St Kilda City
Premiership favourites to knock over one of the contenders by around 4 -5 goals.

BENTLEIGH v Oakleigh Districts
Another improving team to threaten a finals bound Bentleigh but home team to survive in a tight tussle. Demons by 2-3 goals.

Chelsea Heights v MORDIALLOC
After a shaky start the Bloods have hit a solid patch of form and look the main threat to East Malvern. Will win by plenty and only the predicted adverse weather will keep it under 10 -12 goals.

Cheltenham vs ST PAULS
So far Chelt are the most disappointing team in the comp. Promised much but have delivered little and despite some whispers of some mid-season arrivals the Doggies will get it done by 6 – 7 goals

 

[Dragan]

Great result for oakleigh they seem to be going strong

 

[Backyard Bruce]

Very interesting result and with Bentleigh playing Mordi @ Mordi next week to round off halfway mark of the year makes things challenging for them

 

[Greg Tivendale]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader...p/news-story/8c250c2ea9d59542eca340ae3b917648

This issue still making news. A bit rough of the CEO to pot clubs when this debacle is at least partly of the leagues doing. If the article is to be believed 6 x Div. 1 (Bentleigh, Cheltenham, Chelsea Heights, Dingley, Oakleigh Districts & St Pauls) are leading the charge. Appears Port Colts and Mordialloc are not fussed and prepared to let it slide while obviously St Kilda and East Malvern just want it to go away. Whichever way you slice it this is shambles with a lack of transparency and consistent application of the points dispensation seemingly at the heart of the issue.

Anyway on to the more important business of this weeks' games.

DINGLEY v Port Colts
Dingley by 5 – 6 goals against an improving Colts.

EAST MALVERN v St Kilda City
Premiership favourites to knock over one of the contenders by around 4 -5 goals.

BENTLEIGH v Oakleigh Districts
Another improving team to threaten a finals bound Bentleigh but home team to survive in a tight tussle. Demons by 2-3 goals.

Chelsea Heights v MORDIALLOC
After a shaky start the Bloods have hit a solid patch of form and look the main threat to East Malvern. Will win by plenty and only the predicted adverse weather will keep it under 10 -12 goals.

Cheltenham vs ST PAULS
So far Chelt are the most disappointing team in the comp. Promised much but have delivered little and despite some whispers of some mid-season arrivals the Doggies will get it done by 6 – 7 goals

Can someone with paywall copy and paste the article in here?

 

[Billy the Lid]

Can someone with paywall copy and paste the article in here?

Absolute disgrace that you need to be subscriber to read articles on local footy. I am a HS subscriber and thought link would be available for wider reading but it seems not. Here is the long hand version.

THE Southern Football Netball League is carrying out an urgent review of its player-points system after a backlash from clubs.

Every player’s ranking is being reviewed as the league responds to a situation of what CEO Mike Palmer calls clubs “constantly dobbing on each other’’.

Division 1 teams East Malvern and St Kilda were last month stripped of four match points after going over the points cap.

But the Leader understands for weeks clubs have been pointing the finger at others, and accusing them of breaches.

There have also been suggestions the league has been granting certain clubs favours by reducing the point status of players.

Bentleigh, Cheltenham, Chelsea Heights, Dingley, Heatherton, Oakleigh Districts, St Pauls and Springvale Districts met to discuss the issue, and have called on the league to dock points from all clubs found to be over the cap.

And they want it to scrub player dispensations made earlier in the season.

Southern Football Netball League chief executive Mike Palmer is overseeing the review.

In a letter to the SFNL, the clubs said the league administration and board should provide “certainty, consistency and transparency in their decision making and in their dealings with member clubs’’.

“We believe that currently this is not the case. This is particularly so with the administration of the AFL Victoria point system,’’ the clubs said.

Palmer has responded by pledging the league will:

Complete a full internal review of every Southern player’s points allocation;

Engage AFL Victoria to conduct an independent review;

Discuss any differences in interpretation with AFL Victoria and reach an agreement for every player; and

Reset all the points and “lock them off in the system’’ for the rest of the season.

Palmer said from that stage there would be no changes to the player-points allocations and no appeals would be entertained for the rest of the year.

He said there had been “much discussion’’ about the points system and the league had been “monitoring the situation closely in 2018, to the extent that two member clubs have already been sanctioned this season for a breach of the PPS policy’’.

The main point of contention was points reassessments — or dispensations — being made to players.

St Paul's club members were among the most disgruntled.

Ten clubs were granted dispensations after they approached the league and “applied for reassessment in accordance with the established procedure’’, according to Palmer.

In a letter to clubs, he said: “It is very important to note that there is a formal process around requesting dispensation and the league is perfectly within its rights, acting reasonably, to grant dispensation where it is deemed appropriate and can be justified on playing history and circumstances.

“The suggestion that dispensation is some form of illegal mechanism to ‘get around the rules’ is simply not correct. The SFNL has followed the PPS policy procedures and granted

dispensation where it is has been deemed appropriate.

“Around half of our clubs have approached the league for player points allocation reassessment for many players and the vast majority of these requests have been rejected; but some have been approved.’’

Palmer said there were also rumours at least one club was being allowed to play over the cap of 47 points.

He said the while the league didn’t normally respond to “unfounded rumours, in this case I can confirm categorically that this is simply not true’’. He said all teams in the SFNL had the same cap.

Palmer said the SFNL would not reassess dispensation cases and retrospectively adjust player points and match results.

He said the clubs approached the league in the right way and within the PPS rules and guiding principles.

“All reassessed player points allocations (dispensations) were granted in accordance with the PPS policy rules … based on all available information and in good-faith,’’ Palmer said.

“Clubs have recruited and played the relevant players on the basis of the PPS policy rules and with SFNL approval. As such, we will not be reversing any player points allocations, or results retrospectively, apart from those that have been dealt with through the recent and formal SFNL hearing process (Involving East Malvern and St Kilda City).

“Given that the capacity to request and receive reassessment (dispensation) has created significant angst and led to clubs targeting each other, the league believe we need to review this system going forward.

“In plain speak, we cannot have a system where clubs are constantly ‘dobbing’ on each

other. I am assured that this has never been part of the SFNL culture and it is

completely contrary to the spirit that I encountered at the club workshop on my

first day as CEO.’’

Palmer said the league would put the issue of dispensation on the agenda at the AGM and clubs could decide if they wanted to keep it.

 

[2s Hack]

Thanks Billy the Lid Way to put clubs in it especially if you are from St Pauls, however I don't think the CEO would have given this information to the Leader. I would hope not anyway. That would be most unprofessional.

Here's the part I took most out of the article: "In a letter to clubs, he said: “It is very important to note that there is a formal process around requesting dispensation and the league is perfectly within its rights, acting reasonably, to grant dispensation where it is deemed appropriate and can be justified on playing history and circumstances.

“The suggestion that dispensation is some form of illegal mechanism to ‘get around the rules’ is simply not correct. The SFNL has followed the PPS policy procedures and granted dispensation where it is has been deemed appropriate."

“Around half of our clubs have approached the league for player points allocation reassessment for many players and the vast majority of these requests have been rejected; but some have been approved.’’

I'm not sure if the CEO can deem what is and what isn't "appropriate" or "reasonable" given that he was appointed CEO after the fact on when dispensation was granted. Nor would he have had an understanding on which clubs have a history of spending and their level of emphasis on putting time into Under 19s - rather he seems to be trying to put the issue to rest

 

[istillbelieve]

Palmer said there were also rumours at least one club was being allowed to play over the cap of 47 points.

He said the while the league didn’t normally respond to “unfounded rumours, in this case I can confirm categorically that this is simply not true’’. He said all teams in the SFNL had the same cap.

What hope have you got when a club is over in 2 games & league does nothing?

 

[Boss Hogg]

"No team is playing over the cap of 47 points"

 

[weight man]

 

[Greg Tivendale]

I'm certain any club in the league that is doing the right thing would be pissed off at teams that are over the points system (or found to be granted dubious dispensation". St Pauls would have been vocal in their stance and they are entitled to do so.

Perhaps rather than focusing on a "dobbing culture" we should be focusing on the teams that have been doing the wrong thing?

 

[Greg Tivendale]

Palmer said there were also rumours at least one club was being allowed to play over the cap of 47 points.

He said the while the league didn’t normally respond to “unfounded rumours, in this case I can confirm categorically that this is simply not true’’. He said all teams in the SFNL had the same cap.

What hope have you got when a club is over in 2 games & league does nothing?

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I was very surprised having knocked off Doveton by 10 goals in round 7, to have them go out and recruit a 6 pointer in Sheen to add to their list. Normally most clubs have their points situation fairly sorted and locked away by that stage, especially the ones that recruit from outside a lot.

 

[weight man]

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[Boss Hogg]

Hang on a sec, why are East Malvern suddenly now over in points in every game except last Saturday??

What's going on Backyard Bruce ?

 

[Tigersman]

I was very surprised having knocked off Doveton by 10 goals in round 7, to have them go out and recruit a 6 pointer in Sheen to add to their list. Normally most clubs have their points situation fairly sorted and locked away by that stage, especially the ones that recruit from outside a lot.

I can confirm that we (Doveton) submitted our entire senior squad to the league prior to round one and got points confirmed for each individual.

We did not apply for any kind of points reductions. None.

We have one player who plays as 1 point due to being a former Doveton Junior player (those juniors no longer exist) just as any former junior player does at their senior club.

Every other player is at full point value.

We are very comfortable and have confirmed that we have not played a game this year over the points cap. We have requested that the league issue a statement confirming this. Head office can explain how their error now has our points showing as over on a couple of games.

In actual fact we have not claimed certain point deductions we are eligible for due to our junior alliances.

We are very disappointed that our club has been dragged into this conversation through absolutely no fault of our own.

 

[Tigersman]

I was very surprised having knocked off Doveton by 10 goals in round 7, to have them go out and recruit a 6 pointer in Sheen to add to their list. Normally most clubs have their points situation fairly sorted and locked away by that stage, especially the ones that recruit from outside a lot.

Not sure what you mean by recruit from outside a lot?
99% of our list lives within 10 minutes of our ground, around the Narre, Berwick, Clyde and Lyndhurst, including Sheen.

 

[Billy the Lid]

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Bloody hell what a farce. Mordy apparently one of the clubs happy to let this slide but I wonder if this will change their mind? Even the 51 points for this Rd 2 games looks skinny as on closer examination one player in particular sticks out like the proverbial as being more than a 2 pointer. He must have got that special “dispensation where it is deemed appropriate and can be justified on playing history and circumstances” that the CEO is talking about. Having some knowledge of his history and circumstances I am buggered if I know how he managed it but good luck to EM for pulling it off.

Guess we all just move on rather than be accused of acting “completely contrary to the spirit that I encountered at the club workshop on my first day as CEO’’

Que Benny Hill music.

 

[Backyard Bruce]

Hang on a sec, why are East Malvern suddenly now over in points in every game except last Saturday??

What's going on Backyard Bruce ?

I guess the players they played on Sat were different than games you were referring too

 

[Backyard Bruce]

Bloody hell what a farce. Mordy apparently one of the clubs happy to let this slide but I wonder if this will change their mind? Even the 51 points for this Rd 2 games looks skinny as on closer examination one player in particular sticks out like the proverbial as being more than a 2 pointer. He must have got that special “dispensation where it is deemed appropriate and can be justified on playing history and circumstances” that the CEO is talking about. Having some knowledge of his history and circumstances I am buggered if I know how he managed it but good luck to EM for pulling it off.

Guess we all just move on rather than be accused of acting “completely contrary to the spirit that I encountered at the club workshop on my first day as CEO’’

Que Benny Hill music.

 

[Backyard Bruce]

Which player

Bloody hell what a farce. Mordy apparently one of the clubs happy to let this slide but I wonder if this will change their mind? Even the 51 points for this Rd 2 games looks skinny as on closer examination one player in particular sticks out like the proverbial as being more than a 2 pointer. He must have got that special “dispensation where it is deemed appropriate and can be justified on playing history and circumstances” that the CEO is talking about. Having some knowledge of his history and circumstances I am buggered if I know how he managed it but good luck to EM for pulling it off.

Guess we all just move on rather than be accused of acting “completely contrary to the spirit that I encountered at the club workshop on my first day as CEO’’

Que Benny Hill music.

which player

 

[2s Hack]

Which player

which player

Is it the player from the Bendigo League that everyone keeps talking about?? Not sure.

Also why has another player gone from 1 point to 4 points in one week?

 

[weight man]

Do not let the fat lady in.
This ain’t over.