Confirmed Shai Bolton, pick 14 & F3 (Rich) traded to Fremantle for picks 10, 11 & 18

[Coach_Required]

I am 100% dead against it. Why should we need to have extra capital for a player next year? No one ever trades a pick into next year to have enough for a player. Out of contract means Sydney would just get stiffed and if they didn't want to get stiffed, they can trade this year.

Additionally, there's too much exciting talent at 10 to lose a year of develop basically when the time is ticking for actual results.

The only reason I want us trading it to next year is because your mob value a F1 from Roos higher than 9 or 10 so we can get a service fee being the middle man in getting you and North the pick they want.

Thats fair, I have always had a belief you never trade your future first round picks out for players unless you're getting one back. Haven't thought much about trading current 1st round picks for future first rounders. I guess when you think about it it's just as dangerous because you never know how well or poor the team will go.

Was not a fan of us trading for both Taranto and Hopper at the time.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Thats fair, I have always had a belief you never trade your future first round picks out for players unless you're getting one back. Haven't thought much about trading current 1st round picks for future first rounders. I guess when you think about it it's just as dangerous because you never know how well or poor the team will go.

Was not a fan of us trading for both Taranto and Hopper at the time.

I think when you have time, it can be a fantastic way to add value through a list build because of the exponential increase in value from a team doing worse than expected. Think your guys should aim to have 3 future 1sts after trade period to be honest. You have the time to be patient.

 

[4tune8]

Weren’t Richmond brimming with those players this year…?

What a ridiculous and irrelevant thing to say.

We had lost our talent through retirements, age and injury.

Freo, on the other hand are on the way up, if you can't see the logic of getting players in that can help educate those with no experience then I have no more time for you.

 

[Cobbler]

If Freo land Bolton for picks 9 & 16, what are the chances Freo try and move pick 10 into next year for another first rounder? Would give them 2 first rounders next year if Warner decides to head home.

Or is that 2 first rounders in 4 years rule going to stuff that up?

I’d like to keep a presence in the first round 2024, but would 100% explore auctioning off pick 10.

Swan pick 18 or 19 + F1
Gold Coast pick 20 + whatever (unsure why they would want 10, but something could be done here)

 

[crankygeese]

This will be another interesting one to watch. I think Bolton's contract makes it difficult for the Dockers to get a fair price. Bolton suits their needs, and their age profile.

My guess is it will be Bolton for Picks 9 + 16. Richmond might pick up some of the contract to justify that, and there might be some pick swaps, but I think that will be the core of the deal.

 

[PurpleGreenRed]

What a ridiculous and irrelevant thing to say.

We had lost our talent through retirements, age and injury.

Freo, on the other hand are on the way up, if you can't see the logic of getting players in that can help educate those with no experience then I have no more time for you.

It’s not ridiculous or irrelevant. Baker is being spruiked as a leader extraordinaire, and a possible difference maker along with Bolton. And yet your team was irrelevant this year.

I fail to see what he adds.

 

[4tune8]

It’s not ridiculous or irrelevant. Baker is being spruiked as a leader extraordinaire, and a possible difference maker along with Bolton. And yet your team was irrelevant this year.

I fail to see what he adds.

There's not much hope for you then

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Crazy if it doesn't get done - with both club supporters being unhappy.

If both sets of supporters are unhappy it's a sign of a pretty good trade I reckon.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

2 x top 10 picks for Bolton is pretty unlikely you'd think.

For comparison Brisbane essentially gave up 6 + 19 for Neale. So 9 + 16 is closer to the mark.

Neale had 1 year to go on his contract?

Neale is a better player, no doubt. Please don't mistake me for arguing on quality, I'm not.

But 4 years to go on a contract, it's easier for a club to hold firm as they have that security in the background. Neale having a year to go, Freo would have lost bargaining power the following year with him being out of contract if they didn't get it done at the time. That bloody pre free agent year.

It adds a bit to a clubs position to have a long contract in place. Just how much is the question.

 

[Cobbler]

Neale had 1 year to go on his contract?

Neale is a better player, no doubt. Please don't mistake me for arguing on quality, I'm not.

But 4 years to go on a contract, it's easier for a club to hold firm as they have that security in the background. Neale having a year to go, Freo would have lost bargaining power the following year with him being out of contract if they didn't get it done at the time. That bloody pre free agent year.

It adds a bit to a clubs position to have a long contract in place. Just how much is the question.

It is, but the club would just say ‘We will not entertain trading Bolton’

Once you’re open to exploring the trade there’s only so much ‘overs’ you can expect.

Plus, we both know it’s in both clubs best interests.

There is ZERO chance Tigers hold him.

 

[PurpleGreenRed]

There's not much hope for you then

Probably not and I'm ok with that

 

[Azz 27]

What a ridiculous and irrelevant thing to say.

We had lost our talent through retirements, age and injury.

Freo, on the other hand are on the way up, if you can't see the logic of getting players in that can help educate those with no experience then I have no more time for you.

Is Bolton a good leader.

From all reports this year, he has not followed the team rules.

 

[4tune8]

Is Bolton a good leader.

From all reports this year, he has not followed the team rules.

I don't think that you'd be bringing him in for his leadership qualities, although that being said, he's very strong culturally with the indigenous group.

What he does know however, is how to perform in the heat of finals and on the big stage. How that translates to imparting that knowledge to the others that don't have it is unknown (to me anyway) He can lead by example as some of the stuff he does is freakish, you'll love watching him, albeit get a bit frustrated at his conversion rate.

I don't place much credence on what get's reported by the media pundits, what I do know is that he's a match winner in the right team

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

It is, but the club would just say ‘We will not entertain trading Bolton’

Once you’re open to exploring the trade there’s only so much ‘overs’ you can expect.

Plus, we both know it’s in both clubs best interests.

There is ZERO chance Tigers hold him.

Oh, I think there's almost zero chance Tiges hold him, agree. But the 4yr contract has a price, be in no doubt.

 

[Cobbler]

Is Bolton a good leader.

From all reports this year, he has not followed the team rules.

Theres an easy argument they were a rabble. I mean they do have Baker who was a potential captain leaving.

We don’t need leaders we need impact players.

 

[blaisee]

Is Bolton a good leader.

From all reports this year, he has not followed the team rules.

He is no good

Leave him for us

Win/win

 

[Tony_Clifton]

You guys are wasting your time. I'll check back in after this thread gets to 3000 posts

Any movement at the station?

 

[SweatOnMySkin]

I’d like to keep a presence in the first round 2024, but would 100% explore auctioning off pick 10.

Swan pick 18 or 19 + F1
Gold Coast pick 20 + whatever (unsure why they would want 10, but something could be done here)

If it was available I could see us, or perhaps the Cats on behalf of us being after an upgrade from their pick to that pick 10. Would possibly end up a pretty decent deal for dropping some places

 

[Madas]

Any movement at the station?

Your too early
Still another 3000 posts to go arguing whether it will be pick 9.35679975422 or pick 10.2475478633

 

[TigerTime88]

I'd be filthy if we did the deal for 9 and 16.

That pick 9 is behind an Ashcroft bid and Battle compo so ends up being 11. Then 16 will become 19 or 20 with other academy plays.

Bolton is a star and not many in the game can do what he can do. Richmond should hold the contract unless it's 9 and 10.

 

[Swiggy]

I'd be filthy if we did the deal for 9 and 16.

That pick 9 is behind an Ashcroft bid and Battle compo so ends up being 11. Then 16 will become 19 or 20 with other academy plays.

Bolton is a star and not many in the game can do what he can do. Richmond should hold the contract unless it's 9 and 10.

Sorry he’s a star no doubt but no way freo are trading 9 & 10 for him unless Richmond are giving something decent back

9 & 16 is about right

 

[TigerTime88]

Sorry he’s a star no doubt but no way freo are trading 9 & 10 for him unless Richmond are giving something decent back

9 & 16 is about right

Yep then my preference would be for the Tigers to walk away and say sorry mate you have a four year deal.

 

[Azz 27]

Yep then my preference would be for the Tigers to walk away and say sorry mate you have a four year deal.

I hope we do aa well, rather than pay 9 and 10.

Rankin went for 6 to 8, out of contract. 9 alone is fair for Bolton, 16 is enough overs due to contact

 

[blaisee]

Yep then my preference would be for the Tigers to walk away and say sorry mate you have a four year deal.

Yep we keep him, win/win

 

[Joao]

I'd be filthy if we did the deal for 9 and 16.

That pick 9 is behind an Ashcroft bid and Battle compo so ends up being 11. Then 16 will become 19 or 20 with other academy plays.

Bolton is a star and not many in the game can do what he can do. Richmond should hold the contract unless it's 9 and 10.

There's heaps of players that can play a blinder and then disappear for the next month.