Confirmed Shai Bolton, pick 14 & F3 (Rich) traded to Fremantle for picks 10, 11 & 18

[sydney_gws]

The big factor will be the $$$ and the value of the picks held by Freo after the free agency circus.

If there isn’t stupid compo handed to St Kilda or similar, and Freo miss finals picks 9 and 10 are likely to only lose 1-2 spots from Ashcroft and possibly Lombard bids. In effect it’s two picks 10-12 available for the Bolton trade. Of course there is also Ports first which will depend on their finals performance.

Bolton is a tough player to value because we’ve been so terrible for 2 years. His 2022 form his best guide for us if we assume he will perform better in a better team (this may not be how potential new homes want to value him). His form in 2023 and 2024 hasn’t been bad but we probably expected him to improve on 2022 as he hits his peak.

With that in mind he would sit as one of a handful of players capable of averaging 20/2, which would put him in the category of two firsts given his age and contract status. This would be without paying a chunk of his contract. Hard to know the trade value of paying part of his contract but I think anything in the $300k+ bracket for 4 years would be heading towards a second round pick (or first round pick upgrade).

There is also the possibility Richmond offer to take some $$$ off Freo’s hands. I have no idea of the particulars but I imagine Will Brodie’s 2025 and 2026 contract has unwanted $$$. We could possibly look at taking this off Freo’s hands to improve the trade.

Not being a smart Alec, but how are Taranto and Hopper tracking for Richmond.
Are they delivering what Richmond hoped they would?

 

[Morro]

It’ll be interesting to see where Bolton finishes in your B&F, I suspect he won’t win it.

Should be top 5, but honestly, our BnF means nothing this year, all you had to do was play some games

 

[T4P]

It’ll be interesting to see where Bolton finishes in your B&F, I suspect he won’t win it.

He would be close. He's single handedly kept us competitive in a few games this year

 

[Morro]

Not being a smart Alec, but how are Taranto and Hopper tracking for Richmond.
Are they delivering what Richmond hoped they would?

TT has played his part, Hopper cant stay on the park and the way we fell down the ladder made it an over pay.

 

[Cobbler]

We might have the first $3milion playa

Noah Cumberland ‘I want 2 years at a million per year’

Tigers ‘Done. Anything else?’

Noah ‘Huh… done? Ah ok. I want to play in the firsts’

Tigers ‘Woah woah woah… let’s not get ahead of ourselves here’

 

[Morro]

Noah Cumberland ‘I want 2 years at a million per year’

Tigers ‘Done. Anything else?’

Noah ‘Huh… done? Ah ok. I want to play in the firsts’

Tigers ‘Woah woah woah… let’s not get ahead of ourselves here’

yeah we have limits to this madness.

 

[T4P]

Not being a smart Alec, but how are Taranto and Hopper tracking for Richmond.
Are they delivering what Richmond hoped they would?

Ask this question at the end of next year. Hopper hasn't had a run at it yet, but Taranto already has a b&f under his belt

 

[smasha]

The book is still open on Hopper.
No injuries and we'd be singing his praises.

 

[blaisee]

No one is expecting to get him “on the cheap”

Most of the “under” comments have been in direct response to Richmond posters proposing ridiculous overs.

Shai, uncontracted, open market, would be somewhere between pick 10 - 15.

Think everyone is expecting this to be pick 10 + an extra first.

That already is overs. It’s also very unlikely (possible, but unlikely), that Freo have that currency to offer next year.

So what’s more valuable for you? 1 more year of Bolton, or 1 year of development into 2x kids who could form the nucleus of the next flag tilt?

Whats more valuable to you ?

Another year of failure, or a chance to win the flag?

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

The big factor will be the $$$ and the value of the picks held by Freo after the free agency circus.

If there isn’t stupid compo handed to St Kilda or similar, and Freo miss finals picks 9 and 10 are likely to only lose 1-2 spots from Ashcroft and possibly Lombard bids. In effect it’s two picks 10-12 available for the Bolton trade. Of course there is also Ports first which will depend on their finals performance.

Bolton is a tough player to value because we’ve been so terrible for 2 years. His 2022 form his best guide for us if we assume he will perform better in a better team (this may not be how potential new homes want to value him). His form in 2023 and 2024 hasn’t been bad but we probably expected him to improve on 2022 as he hits his peak.

With that in mind he would sit as one of a handful of players capable of averaging 20/2, which would put him in the category of two firsts given his age and contract status. This would be without paying a chunk of his contract. Hard to know the trade value of paying part of his contract but I think anything in the $300k+ bracket for 4 years would be heading towards a second round pick (or first round pick upgrade).

There is also the possibility Richmond offer to take some $$$ off Freo’s hands. I have no idea of the particulars but I imagine Will Brodie’s 2025 and 2026 contract has unwanted $$$. We could possibly look at taking this off Freo’s hands to improve the trade.

With Dylan Grimes announcing his retirement Richmond won't have Martin and Grimes on their 2025 salary cap. If they loose Bolton, Graham and Baker too they will be struggling to reach the AFL's minimum cap. Add to that Tom Lynch on reportedly over a million in 2025 then Richmond needs to find ways to meet the afl salary minimum or they risks penalties in 2025 and 2026. Its quite a strange situation but the result is they can increase the trade value of both Bolton and Rioli if they agree to pay part of their salaries in 2025 and 2026.

 

[Rich01]

I think it is an interesting situation where there actually is a little bit of pressure on Richmond to sell their contracted player this year. 1. It is rare that teams have multiple first round picks available especially when the trade is a go-home-factor one with just two WA sides.
Secondly, the entry of Tassie pushing all picks back for a 3 year period.

Will result in a trade that ends up fairer.

Perhaps. But his manager has done us a solid by saying he will stay if no deal can be done. He can’t play the home sick card demanding a trade now.

And if Freo don’t play ball, they just hold onto him.

It won’t come to that though. I’ve got no doubt a deal will get done.

The football club list managers are decent and experienced, and understand the value of players to their side, and their worth. Unlike many on this forum who it’s evident haven’t negotiated anything of value successfully in their entire lives.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

bit like Ryan O'Keefe and Tom Papley, sometimes things work out for the club holding firm on players with contracts

Anyone that thinks that this is not in play is not paying attention

The equation remains the same as it as always been , Freo or West Coast bends over, or Bolton stays on his 4 year contract

Yeah but in seriousness you dont even remotely get how trading works so you should be the last person trying to explain anything on the trading process. If you got the proposed trade of a top 9 pick and a first 15-18 it would make Bolton a player with a huge trade value compared to other contracted players traded in recent times. Carlton knocked back an offer of 1 top 10 pick for Papley not that long ago in 2019. A year Papley kicked 37 goals despite playing some time mid. Bolton has kicked 33 goals with one game to go as a comparison and Papley was younger at 23 than Bolton is now when he asked for a trade.

 

[Rich01]

With Dylan Grimes announcing his retirement Richmond won't have Martin and Grimes on their 2025 salary cap. If they loose Bolton, Graham and Baker too they will be struggling to reach the AFL's minimum cap. Add to that Tom Lynch on reportedly over a million in 2025 then Richmond needs to find ways to meet the afl salary minimum or they risks penalties in 2025 and 2026. Its quite a strange situation but the result is they can increase the trade value of both Bolton and Rioli if they agree to pay part of their salaries in 2025 and 2026.

This isn’t an issue for the club.
In fact it’s an opportunity.

Guys like Hopper and Taranto will have their long term contracts restructured to be front loaded, giving them the advantage of utilising their contract $$$ earlier while we meet the cap floor.

We could also look to pay some of Rioli and Boltons contract to play for other clubs for 2-3 years if that’s what Gold Coast and Freo wanted. But there would be draft collateral that would have to come with us doing so.

I’m not a fan of having to meet the cap floor, but it does provide us with options to take advantage of the longer term.

 

[blaisee]

Yeah but in seriousness you dont even remotely get how trading works so you should be the last person trying to explain anything on the trading process. If you got the proposed trade of a top 9 pick and a first 15-18 it would make Bolton a player with a huge trade value compared to other contracted players traded in recent times. Carlton knocked back an offer of 1 top 10 pick for Papley not that long ago in 2019. A year Papley kicked 37 goals despite playing some time mid. Bolton has kicked 33 goals with one game to go as a comparison and Papley was younger at 23 than Bolton is now when he asked for a trade.

I don't get how trading works, but you don't get how player value works .

Bolton is >>>>>>>>>Papley

 

[Obeanie1]

bit like Ryan O'Keefe and Tom Papley, sometimes things work out for the club holding firm on players with contracts

Anyone that thinks that this is not in play is not paying attention

The equation remains the same as it as always been , Freo or West Coast bends over, or Bolton stays on his 4 year contract

We're O'Keeffe and Papley indigenous players living interestate away from family struggling to bring up young children?

What was their motivation to move?

Bolton isn't moving for money. He'd be the highest paid player at Richmond.

Unhappy wife. Unhappy life.

Unhappy footballer. Rarely perform at their best.

 

[blaisee]

We're O'Keeffe and Papley indigenous players living interestate away from family struggling to bring up young children?

What was their motivation to move?

Bolton isn't moving for money. He'd be the highest paid player at Richmond.

Unhappy wife. Unhappy life.

Unhappy footballer. Rarely perform at their best.

indigenous player ?

Pretty sure that is racist, what has that got to do with anything?

 

[Tugga27]

We're O'Keeffe and Papley indigenous players living interestate away from family struggling to bring up young children?

What was their motivation to move?

Bolton isn't moving for money. He'd be the highest paid player at Richmond.

Unhappy wife. Unhappy life.

Unhappy footballer. Rarely perform at their best.

Bolton is clearly moving because he doesnt want to play in a bad side.

Him being indigenous has nothing to do with it.

Anything else is bullshit.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Bolton is clearly moving because he doesnt want to play in a bad side.

Him being indigenous has nothing to do with it.

Anything else is bullshit.

There is definitely a not small part about preferring to raise kids with family around and involved but yeah the indigenous thing is rubbish. I wouldnt have too much sympathy if it doesnt get done either, players trying to have their cake and eat it too with these long term contracts

 

[Tygrys]

Bolton is clearly moving because he doesnt want to play in a bad side.

Him being indigenous has nothing to do with it.

Anything else is bullshit.

He was considered a flight risk even in his draft year. And it was cited as one of the reasons he drifted into the second round.

Playing in a bad side is obviously a disincentive to stay. However, even if we were a good side chances are that this day would still have eventually come.

Just saying for a lot of Richmond people Bolton wanting to go home is no amazing surprise.

 

[Tugga27]

There is definitely a not small part about preferring to raise kids with family around and involved but yeah the indigenous thing is rubbish. I wouldnt have too much sympathy if it doesnt get done either, players trying to have their cake and eat it too with these long term contracts

Most would like to be "home" if they could Snuff, but he only signed a new contract 18 months ago.
A gun wasn't put to his head.

Being on a million plus a year, I'm sure he can move some family over if he has to.

Do you really think he'd want out if Richmond were sitting on top of the ladder?

I doubt it.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Most would like to be "home" if they could Snuff, but he only signed a new contract 18 months ago.
A gun wasn't put to his head.

Being on a million plus a year, I'm sure he can move some family over if he has to.

Do you really think he'd want out if Richmond were sitting on top of the ladder?

I doubt it.

Yeah I agree, I dont have any sympathy if he doesnt get traded that's the "have the their cake (big contract) and eat it too (leave just after signing it). If they were the top or contending I suppose maybe not but sounds like he was always a flight risk

 

[Daka]

With Dylan Grimes announcing his retirement Richmond won't have Martin and Grimes on their 2025 salary cap. If they loose Bolton, Graham and Baker too they will be struggling to reach the AFL's minimum cap. Add to that Tom Lynch on reportedly over a million in 2025 then Richmond needs to find ways to meet the afl salary minimum or they risks penalties in 2025 and 2026. Its quite a strange situation but the result is they can increase the trade value of both Bolton and Rioli if they agree to pay part of their salaries in 2025 and 2026.

That's why I think there is a chance we hang on to Bolton if the price isn't right how many senior players can you lose in one hit? it will be up to Fremantle to satisfy Richmond.

 

[Obeanie1]

indigenous player ?

Pretty sure that is racist, what has that got to do with anything?

Pretty sure you are being disingenuous and deflecting posting that.

If you don't understand that family support is a significantly important factor with indigenous athletes and their family then not much point discussing it.

Some cultures value family support and interaction much higher than other cultures.

Not all cultures are the same. That isn't being racist.

 

[Tugga27]

Pretty sure you are being disingenuous and deflecting posting that.

If you don't understand that family support is a significantly important factor with indigenous athletes and their family then not much point discussing it.

Some cultures value family support and interaction much higher than other cultures.

Not all cultures are the same. That isn't being racist.

I'm guessing he momentarily forgot about his family when Richmond placed a 5 year 6 million dollar contract in front of him.

Seriously though, if you have plans to head home one day, don't sign long term deals.

It's not hard.

 

[blaisee]

Pretty sure you are being disingenuous and deflecting posting that.

If you don't understand that family support is a significantly important factor with indigenous athletes and their family then not much point discussing it.

Some cultures value family support and interaction much higher than other cultures.

Not all cultures are the same. That isn't being racist.

I think all cultures value family support

Which cultures exactly do not ?