Trade Requested Shai Bolton [UFA 2028] - Wants to join the Dockers

[captain cotch 9]

9 and 16 with Bolts and 29 coming back

Realistic to be fair....
If we have 4-5 top 20 picks we wont need the later picks.
We wont be taking 8 players in the draft.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Realistic to be fair....
If we have 4-5 top 20 picks we wont need the later picks.
We wont be taking 8 players in the draft.

I'd expect a pick to be closer to 50 if we got anything back with 9 and 16. Basically just a token pick Richmond wouldnt be using but we need for list spots

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

It is but the clowns over on the Tiggers board think that even 9 and 10 is unders

As opposed to the clowns saying 9 & 16 is overs?

 

[Morro]

So you agree his 2024 wasn't as good as previous seasons. And we would have to hope that he improves in a better team. He can be a great player but is inconsistent and that is a risk we will have to take.

I do hope we get him. There is some risk. I do think he will be better than in 24 but that doesn't mean he is risk free. It also doesn't mean that 9 and 16 won't sting.

Now show me the gulf between our opinions. I am not the one who said he had a middling year.

No, you said he was better in a better team, so you dont need to hope, but even based on 2024, playing mostly forward in the worst team, if he brought that form to Freo, you are instantly better and you would have played finals.

 

[mrposhman]

Or just pick better lol

Bet I can find a sick combo within 5 picks after each of those years

Obviously you can, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[MadMundy]

As opposed to the clowns saying 9 & 16 is overs?

As far as I'm concerned that's about right.

 

[mrposhman]

Now this is an interesting line of thought.

Firstly you acknowledging we would 'definitely get something back' is an acknowledgment it is overs.

Secondly, There are only a handful on that list I would take over Shai.

Something to consider.

Only acknowledging it as with the picks that we currently have, we would rather offer later picks and get something much better in the 1st round.

I suspect acceptable deals could be something like:

9, 16 and Simpson - with maybe pick 47 going back
Or
9, and 10 - with 2 3rds (1 in each year) going back, lets say 39 and F3rd (which could help provide value for Warner next year).

Bearing in mind we would also likely offer $500k per year for the length of his current contract, then thats the overs right there. There would be unlikely that extent of salary cap contribution if we didn't get 9 and 10 included.

IMO, the Shai trade will indicate how confident Freo are of getting Warner. Trade a bit more this year to get salary covered, trade your 16 for Brisbanes F1st and Warner is on IMO.

You could be going into next year with your 1st, 2nd and 3rd, Brisbane's 1st, Richmonds 3rd and anything else you might trade in.

 

[freo_leo29]

Obviously you can, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's just easy to pick apart a flawed post

There were clearly players in that range that were good.

If you don't rate your list manager to find them then that's another problem but it doesn't change the fact that players will be there

 

[mrposhman]

As far as I'm concerned that's about right.

With you paying all his salary or with the Tiges covering a decent proportion of it?

 

[mrposhman]

It's just easy to pick apart a flawed post

There were clearly players in that range that were good.

If you don't rate your list manager to find them then that's another problem but it does change the fact that players will be there

But you can use that on any year, the likelihood of always picking the best players with picks is very low. It just doesn't happen. I'm sure even Freo have had plenty of misses. Its just part and parcel of the game of drafting.

 

[freo_leo29]

But you can use that on any year, the likelihood of always picking the best players with picks is very low. It just doesn't happen. I'm sure even Freo have had plenty of misses. Its just part and parcel of the game of drafting.

That's not our problem once the picks are traded


I could say pick 1 isn't worth anything as I could end up with a Boyd, Mccartin, Watts, Fraser


At the end of the day you've gotta pick the right player, that's not on Fremantle

 

[eastfreo75]

I’m really looking forward to freo fans pivoting on their appraisal of shai the minute he becomes a docker

Will be a massive Uturn

We saving him from the third worse fans.

 

[poshman]

Only acknowledging it as with the picks that we currently have, we would rather offer later picks and get something much better in the 1st round.

I suspect acceptable deals could be something like:

9, 16 and Simpson - with maybe pick 47 going back
Or
9, and 10 - with 2 3rds (1 in each year) going back, lets say 39 and F3rd (which could help provide value for Warner next year).

Bearing in mind we would also likely offer $500k per year for the length of his current contract, then thats the overs right there. There would be unlikely that extent of salary cap contribution if we didn't get 9 and 10 included.

IMO, the Shai trade will indicate how confident Freo are of getting Warner. Trade a bit more this year to get salary covered, trade your 16 for Brisbanes F1st and Warner is on IMO.

You could be going into next year with your 1st, 2nd and 3rd, Brisbane's 1st, Richmonds 3rd and anything else you might trade in.

Simpson would make the deal incredibly one sided. More than 9 & 10. And that is a bridge too far on its own.

 

[My_Username]

With you paying all his salary or with the Tiges covering a decent proportion of it?

I think that'll be the difference between 9/10 & 9(or 10)/16 (with possible later picks for both of course).

and of course, that salary isn't mentioned officially, if he goes for 9/10 there will be screams that Freo paid overs (etc), while the reality will be that they paid for a few hundred thousand in cap space with a pick upgrade.

 

[Swiggy]

Simpson would make the deal incredibly one sided. More than 9 & 10. And that is a bridge too far on its own.

Simpson won’t be traded

 

[bruzaar62]

Simpson won’t be traded

Shai might want #29

 

[mrposhman]

I think that'll be the difference between 9/10 & 9(or 10)/16 (with possible later picks for both of course).

and of course, that salary isn't mentioned officially, if he goes for 9/10 there will be screams that Freo paid overs (etc), while the reality will be that they paid for a few hundred thousand in cap space with a pick upgrade.

Correct and thats where I think it'll lie. Almost every Premiership winning side loses players they don't want to lose due to the salary cap and having to balance player payments. We lost Brandon Ellis as our example, an extra $500k that we could have purchased would have meant that we'd have kept him but we couldn't at that point.

Adding $500k of TPP over the next 4 years would be huge for Freo. Enables them to comfortably sort out Brayshaw next year, and might well keep the window open for Warner.

I'm sure if Freo fans were told that they could get Bolton and Warner over the next 2 trade periods but you'll only take 3rds to the draft, they wouldn't be too concerned.

I could see 9 and 10 (plus the stated $500k of TPP for the next 4 years), trade 16 into next year, Brisbane will trade their 1st into this year and Freo probably get a sweetener attached to that pick for buying into a better draft (higher DVI points value etc). Richmond probably do 9 and 10 and give Freo our F3rd and give them a 3rd this year.

Freo go into the draft (without any other deals) next year with 2 R1 draft picks plus the ability to use 2 more into the future. They might need authorisation from the AFL, but they have a young list, the whole point is to not allow teams to ignore the draft and just trade older players in, they wouldn't be doing that, so they could get a waiver from the 2 in 4 IMO.

 

[Jirik13]

Herald today.

But Fremantle is prepared to hand over one of nine or 10 and the club’s No. 16 draft pick to get him to the Dockers so the Tigers will receive fair value.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

I think this gets done fairly early.

 

[freo_leo29]

It is interesting that the media has generally settled on 9 and 16

 

[HumanMeatball]

Agree with the settlement of 9
And 10. Bolton is going to absolutely dominate on the big grounds of Optus. Freo flag favs

 

[eastfreo75]

As opposed to the clowns saying 9 & 16 is overs?

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

It is interesting that the media has generally settled on 9 and 16

Media has settled on that being what Freo offer, not necessarily that that's what Richmond accept. They've mostly given their personal takes that that's a fair offer, but just coz Ralph, Twomey, etc think that's fair value doesn't mean Richmond do.

Though it's worth noting that in other stories where the teams are far apart in valuation (Bailey Smith, Dan Houston and Carlton, Barrass at least early on), the selling team's demands and the gap in valuation is noted. Here it's not.

 

[tiger_tough]

Freo offer 9&16, Richmond want 9&10. Landing place will be somewhere in between so maybe 9&10 with something going back Freos way. That's how I see it panning out.

 

[MadMundy]

It is interesting that the media has generally settled on 9 and 16

Because they know that hopefully Richmond's list management team isn't as stupid as their BF counterparts, they know that 9 and 16 is fair, they'll get it done and it'll be one of the first trades completed.