Should Rudd be backed for the UN Sec General Job?

[nicky]

I think you're massively over egging this because you blame him for Labor's woes when there's plenty of blame to go around for all for that debacle.

No, there's not. Rudd single handedly ruined Gillard's government out of spite. All parties have issues, Rudd took them to a new level, leaking things to the media when she was doing well in polls. Essentially spent 3 years actively ruining her government, and she was still able to accomplish alot.

In time she'll be remembered as an incredible leader.

I hate Kevin Rudd, he's an awful human being. I'm rapt Turnball didn't give him the job and I'll be happy if i never have to hear about him again. He shouldn't be given any job of any importance. The media, all political parties etc should shun him. He's proven time and time again that he's a despicable and untrustworthy person.

 

[Gough]

No, there's not. Rudd single handedly ruined Gillard's government out of spite. All parties have issues, Rudd took them to a new level, leaking things to the media when she was doing well in polls. Essentially spent 3 years actively ruining her government, and she was still able to accomplish alot.

In time she'll be remembered as an incredible leader.

I hate Kevin Rudd, he's an awful human being. I'm rapt Turnball didn't give him the job and I'll be happy if i never have to hear about him again. He shouldn't be given any job of any importance. The media, all political parties etc should shun him. He's proven time and time again that he's a despicable and untrustworthy person.

And the party rewarded him by returning him to the top job instead of expelling him as they should have done. Go figure.

 

[GreyCrow]

And the party rewarded him by returning him to the top job instead of expelling him as they should have done. Go figure.

He was the man with the shovel who said he was the only one who could fill in the hole he opened himself

 

[nicky]

And the party rewarded him by returning him to the top job instead of expelling him as they should have done. Go figure.

This is after he'd spent 3 years assassinating her approval rating by leaking shit to the media. I think there's consensus on who the better leader is.

I don't think they made the right decision but Rudd was determined to get revenge and it's conceivable that the people in favour felt they had no choice.

Even so, the decision was wrong.

Apparently he told 3 different journalists at the Australian that he had aspirations to be a 3 time PM. This is when the Labor party finally told him to "FK off".

 

[Subprime]

Starting to look like Rudd is gaming Turnbull, he's released the correspondence between the two of them, there's different messages coming out of cabinet, and the PM has been diminished by this. I'd imagine Turnbull's discomfort goes at least some way to compensating Kevvy for missing out on the UN gig.

I'd be surprised if this isn't wrapping fish and chips by Tuesday. Unless Turnbull made an unconditional promise in blood then it was always a matter for cabinet and Turnbull promised cabinet-style government when he took over.

Letters from Kevin seeking to bind is hardly 'correspondence between the two of them'.

 

[JackOutback]

No, there's not. Rudd single handedly ruined Gillard's government out of spite. All parties have issues, Rudd took them to a new level, leaking things to the media when she was doing well in polls. Essentially spent 3 years actively ruining her government, and she was still able to accomplish alot.

In time she'll be remembered as an incredible leader.

I hate Kevin Rudd, he's an awful human being. I'm rapt Turnball didn't give him the job and I'll be happy if i never have to hear about him again. He shouldn't be given any job of any importance. The media, all political parties etc should shun him. He's proven time and time again that he's a despicable and untrustworthy person.

Gillard and co. destroyed the Labor Party when they let their personal ambitions overcome common sense and rolled a popular first term PM. Rudd then acted like a petulant child and put himself ahead of the party, joining the procession. Gillard did some good work but she didn't need any help destroying her government; the people never warmed to her and she was a poor campaigner unable to repel Abbott's attacks.

A lot is made of the leaks leading up to the 2010 election but the party was already flailing.

As I said, there's plenty of blame to go around and trying to cast Rudd as some kind of super villain is to absolve the rest of their stupidity and mistakes.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

It would seem to me having an Australian in the big chair in New York would be advantageous to the Turnbull Government. Rudd is a prick but him yelling at his staff in Manhattan isn't something Turnbull should care about. Anyway the real reason he didn't put him forward is the nutter wing of his party didn't want it to happen.

 

[madmug]

I'd be surprised if this isn't wrapping fish and chips by Tuesday. Unless Turnbull made an unconditional promise in blood then it was always a matter for cabinet and Turnbull promised cabinet-style government when he took over.

Letters from Kevin seeking to bind is hardly 'correspondence between the two of them'.

Rudd is just displaying his vindictive nature. He is definitely a flawed character. Mind you the latest crop of back stabbing leaders, including the religio-nutter Abbott, are just as bad as each other. They are all an embarrassment to the country ( except we do get the leaders we deserve. )

 

[Northalives]

Gillard and co. destroyed the Labor Party when they let their personal ambitions overcome common sense and rolled a popular first term PM. Rudd then acted like a petulant child and put himself ahead of the party, joining the procession. Gillard did some good work but she didn't need any help destroying her government; the people never warmed to her and she was a poor campaigner unable to repel Abbott's attacks.

A lot is made of the leaks leading up to the 2010 election but the party was already flailing.

As I said, there's plenty of blame to go around and trying to cast Rudd as some kind of super villain is to absolve the rest of their stupidity and mistakes.

JackOutback, mate, Rudd thought that the ALP is there to serve him. When it became obvious to all that Rudd was a self serving egomaniac who didn't give a shit about the ALP or it's policy agenda, he was tapped on the shoulder and told to go. He should have bowed his head and said "thank you for having allowed me to SERVE the Labour Party" and get the hell out of Parliament but not Rudd!

He started to brief life long ALP haters in the media as well as that Hyena Julie Bishop, amongst others, about ALP cabinet matters in order to destroy a Labour Government!

Do not try and gloss over what that mongrel Rudd did and how much of an enemy he was to the ALP! When the ALP told Rudd that enough was enough and he was replaced by Gillard, Gillard was the darling of Australia; people should not forget that. If Rudd had been a "true believer" like all the other ALP leaders who were voted out by the party, eg. Hawke, Hayden, Beazley, Crean etc, when they were voted out by the PARTY, they either got out of politics or shut their gobs and worked for the Party. Jessus mate, even that mentally unstable Latham saw the writing on the wall and got out of parliament! Not Rudd though.

Have a look at him now! The same kind of shit that he unleashed upon the Party he says he loves, he is now unleashing upon those of the sworn enemy of the ALP whom he fed all sorts of things so as to completely undermine the ALP when he felt aggrieved.

This piece of shit has given us the Australia we have now, a country that catapulted back to the late 1920's replete with the Hansons and Abbotts, Abetz, Bernardi, Bolt etc etc who now have a staggeringly loud voice, not to mention their ear-splitting dog whistles.

It's hilarious how that useless Turnbull is now copping shit for not anointing Rudd for the UN: I love it ! I also love the fact that the most disgusting Labor leader since Jo Lyons is not being rewarded with the Secretary Generals job at the United Nations. No matter what people think of the UN and it's been pilloried by the lunatics of the extreme right in this country, but no matter what anyone thinks, the UN is a venerable institution and should never, ever, have a Secretary General as unscrupulous and laking in moral fibre as that vile and nasty little scumbag.

 

[Dry Rot]

JackOutback, mate, Rudd thought that the ALP is there to serve him. When it became obvious to all that Rudd was a self serving egomaniac who didn't give a shit about the ALP or it's policy agenda, he was tapped on the shoulder and told to go. He should have bowed his head and said "thank you for having allowed me to SERVE the Labour Party" and get the hell out of Parliament but not Rudd!

He started to brief life long ALP haters in the media as well as that Hyena Julie Bishop, amongst others, about ALP cabinet matters in order to destroy a Labour Government!

Do not try and gloss over what that mongrel Rudd did and how much of an enemy he was to the ALP! When the ALP told Rudd that enough was enough and he was replaced by Gillard, Gillard was the darling of Australia; people should not forget that. If Rudd had been a "true believer" like all the other ALP leaders who were voted out by the party, eg. Hawke, Hayden, Beazley, Crean etc, when they were voted out by the PARTY, they either got out of politics or shut their gobs and worked for the Party. Jessus mate, even that mentally unstable Latham saw the writing on the wall and got out of parliament! Not Rudd though.

Have a look at him now! The same kind of shit that he unleashed upon the Party he says he loves, he is now unleashing upon those of the sworn enemy of the ALP whom he fed all sorts of things so as to completely undermine the ALP when he felt aggrieved.

This piece of shit has given us the Australia we have now, a country that catapulted back to the late 1920's replete with the Hansons and Abbotts, Abetz, Bernardi, Bolt etc etc who now have a staggeringly loud voice, not to mention their ear-splitting dog whistles.

It's hilarious how that useless Turnbull is now copping shit for not anointing Rudd for the UN: I love it ! I also love the fact that the most disgusting Labor leader since Jo Lyons is not being rewarded with the Secretary Generals job at the United Nations. No matter what people think of the UN and it's been pilloried by the lunatics of the extreme right in this country, but no matter what anyone thinks, the UN is a venerable institution and should never, ever, have a Secretary General as unscrupulous and laking in moral fibre as that vile and nasty little scumbag.

It's times like these I like to point out that I posted that Rudd was a tool prior to the 2007 election, and afterwards. And so many idiots on here had a go at me.

 

[Northalives]

It's times like these I like to point out that I posted that Rudd was a tool prior to the 2007 election, and afterwards. And so many idiots on here had a go at me.

Rudd 2007 was the right man at the right time. He connected with the exhibitionist/voyeuristic trendoids that had got tired of the "watch out, it's reds under the beds" Howard and his ignoramuses. Rudd was full of promise and exciting!

It was fortunate that we had an ALP government when the GFC hit otherwise, a Howard/Costello government would have allowed Australia and Australians to burn because that's what's supposed to happen according to the Freidmanites, the "let the market take care of it" filth that brought the world to it's knees in the first place.

Rudd was in his element because the brains of the outfit, Gillard and Swan, they worked out what we had to do and the glorified bureaucrat who was now Prime Minister of Australia, got the job done in bureaucratic circles and because of his diligent work, Australia rode out that depression and became the envy of the world.

When it came time to lead though, Rudd showed just how out of his depth he was and became a policy-free-zone or more to the point, had no idea about how to lead the debate to prosecute ALP Party Policy! He froze and instead of trying to learn or adapt, to get help from the multitude of brilliant people in the Caucus, he abused them and treated them with utter disrespect and disdain.

He did his job when needed but just unlike the lad who tries really hard in the league side but doesn't quite cut the mustard and is dropped, this vulgar wannabe refused to leave the playing field! Great team man he turned out to be: went back into the change rooms and spiked the half time oranges.

 

[madmug]

Rudd 2007 was the right man at the right time. He connected with the exhibitionist/voyeuristic trendoids that had got tired of the "watch out, it's reds under the beds" Howard and his ignoramuses. Rudd was full of promise and exciting!


He did his job when needed but just unlike the lad who tries really hard in the league side but doesn't quite cut the mustard and is dropped, this vulgar wannabe refused to leave the playing field! Great team man he turned out to be: went back into the change rooms and spiked the half time oranges.

Good post & to the point. I recon Rudd would be good at that sort of job as head of the UN. He did a very good job in the hurly burly of the GFC. He would be in his element. As you say, his subsequent churlish behavior did him & his legacy no good.
Mind you, this issue is just another example of Turbulls own weaknesses & problems. He clearly hasnt got the strength of his own convictions & is under the pump in his own party.
The next 3 years, if this Parliament lasts that long, will be interesting, to say the least.

 

[JackOutback]

JackOutback, mate, Rudd thought that the ALP is there to serve him. When it became obvious to all that Rudd was a self serving egomaniac who didn't give a shit about the ALP or it's policy agenda, he was tapped on the shoulder and told to go. He should have bowed his head and said "thank you for having allowed me to SERVE the Labour Party" and get the hell out of Parliament but not Rudd!

He started to brief life long ALP haters in the media as well as that Hyena Julie Bishop, amongst others, about ALP cabinet matters in order to destroy a Labour Government!

Do not try and gloss over what that mongrel Rudd did and how much of an enemy he was to the ALP! When the ALP told Rudd that enough was enough and he was replaced by Gillard, Gillard was the darling of Australia; people should not forget that. If Rudd had been a "true believer" like all the other ALP leaders who were voted out by the party, eg. Hawke, Hayden, Beazley, Crean etc, when they were voted out by the PARTY, they either got out of politics or shut their gobs and worked for the Party. Jessus mate, even that mentally unstable Latham saw the writing on the wall and got out of parliament! Not Rudd though.

Have a look at him now! The same kind of shit that he unleashed upon the Party he says he loves, he is now unleashing upon those of the sworn enemy of the ALP whom he fed all sorts of things so as to completely undermine the ALP when he felt aggrieved.

This piece of shit has given us the Australia we have now, a country that catapulted back to the late 1920's replete with the Hansons and Abbotts, Abetz, Bernardi, Bolt etc etc who now have a staggeringly loud voice, not to mention their ear-splitting dog whistles.

It's hilarious how that useless Turnbull is now copping shit for not anointing Rudd for the UN: I love it ! I also love the fact that the most disgusting Labor leader since Jo Lyons is not being rewarded with the Secretary Generals job at the United Nations. No matter what people think of the UN and it's been pilloried by the lunatics of the extreme right in this country, but no matter what anyone thinks, the UN is a venerable institution and should never, ever, have a Secretary General as unscrupulous and laking in moral fibre as that vile and nasty little scumbag.

I don't gloss over what Rudd did at all, but I find plenty of people glossing over what Gillard and co. did. The reason we have the Australia we have now can be traced directly back to knifing Rudd. If he had remained leader, they would have won the 2010 election with a reduced majority and Abbott would have been shown the door. That is patently obvious, but personal ambition and personal animosity was put ahead of what was good for the country.

Likewise, the rewriting of history that has Gillard and Swan as the people that navigated the GFC is absurd; there are plenty of people on record that praise his work during that time, people from outside Australia and the political bubble.

He's a tool, but he's not the supervillain to Gillard's superhero. Life is not that black and white.

 

[AM]

Rudd is a disingenuous self-serving narcissist. The government has pleased at least one egalitarian by knocking him out of the race.

The intriguing thing will be seeing to what extent he will go to wreak revenge. He is a great hater.

 

[ClokesShankedIt]

 

[Northalives]

I don't gloss over what Rudd did at all, but I find plenty of people glossing over what Gillard and co. did. The reason we have the Australia we have now can be traced directly back to knifing Rudd. If he had remained leader, they would have won the 2010 election with a reduced majority and Abbott would have been shown the door. That is patently obvious, but personal ambition and personal animosity was put ahead of what was good for the country.

Likewise, the rewriting of history that has Gillard and Swan as the people that navigated the GFC is absurd; there are plenty of people on record that praise his work during that time, people from outside Australia and the political bubble.

He's a tool, but he's not the supervillain to Gillard's superhero. Life is not that black and white.

Cobber, you keep going on about the "knifing of Rudd". Rudd was told that he was not doing well enough in his job and in the best interests of the party, he will be replaced by another.

Rudd was dragging the party down with his ineptitude and he was replaced. The ALP does not bow down to the leader as if he or she is some kind of President. The leader is there because of the good grace of the party. It is a collective decision by the party as to who leads, if the leader is not doing the job, they are relieved of their duties.

What are you suggesting? Are you suggesting that Rudd should have been allowed to destroy the goodwill given to the ALP by the electorate because that is exactly what he was doing? He was sadly out of his depth. He had gone into the foetal position and the processes of government had ground to a halt. Are you suggesting that the party just let it ride, ride all the way into the sunset?

I repeat again, the party does not bow to any individual nor is it there as a vehicle for an individual's personal advancement. The individual is there to advance the party's agenda and ideals and the individual bows to the party. Rudd should have bowed to the party's wishes and got the hell out of parliament.

He was not knifed as in undermined, stalked and assassinated. He was tapped on the shoulder and told that it was time to go because he was f*****g useless, to put it bluntly. Are you suggesting that a person should be allowed to head up an organisation when that person is doing a lousy job of it and bringing down that organisation?

 

[JackOutback]

All I can say is The Killing Season provides a different analysis to the above, including from Gillard herself. The removal of Rudd was done suddenly and with precision, he was not asked politely if he wouldn't mind stepping aside.

Additionally, Rudd's polls were always higher than Gillard's except maybe in the first month or so after her ascension, so if he was dragging the government down, I don't know what you would call what Gillard did.

I'm not a Rudd fan but there seems to be an attempt to rewrite history in black and white terms. They all have dirty hands, but if Labor is honest with itself, the destruction began when Rudd was removed. Labor would have won relatively comfortably if they hadn't decided to take him down.

 

[Pie eyed]

Unfortunately politics says this is incorrect.

He says no and gets it in the neck from Labor

Say yes and he gets it in the neck from the Liberals . At least he can keep Labor at arms length

Unfortunately, Malcolm is hardly the political tactician.
Where he had an opportunity to show strength to his right wing detractors in the party and bolster his own plea for a return to a more collegiate, bipartisan parliament with the opposition he has showcased his cowardice, spat in the face of Labor and gone back on a prior agreement with Rudd.
Good luck getting a pair in this Parliament.
Left his deputy looking like a complete idiot.
No better than Abbott, sans the overt misogyny and threats of violence to women.

What odds Labor raise a bill for a Royal Commission into the Banks now and a few disenchanted libs cross the floor.

 

[King Elvis]

The ALP hate Rudd more than the Liberals - if they had any integrity, they'd agree with Turnbull's decision and move on - not try and score cheap point from it.

Lulz at someone calling Swan the brains of the operation.

 

[Penny78]

You don't knife the best PM we had in the last 20 years. That's why everyone hated Gillard and that's why the ALP is cooked.

 

[Juddism]

Unfortunately, Malcolm is hardly the political tactician.
Where he had an opportunity to show strength to his right wing detractors in the party and bolster his own plea for a return to a more collegiate, bipartisan parliament with the opposition he has showcased his cowardice, spat in the face of Labor and gone back on a prior agreement with Rudd.
Good luck getting a pair in this Parliament.
Left his deputy looking like a complete idiot.
No better than Abbott, sans the overt misogyny and threats of violence to women.

What odds Labor raise a bill for a Royal Commission into the Banks now and a few disenchanted libs cross the floor.

he's hardly the honest politician either...utegate, Godwin Grech, anything else?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Nice video Kevin. If ever there was confirmaion that the right call was made then this combined with the letters just confirns it.

 

[Lester Burnham]

I would like to nominate Prince Philip for the position.

 

[pazza]

The fact that DFAT's own advice on this was disregarded is bad enough.

That will be what the Opposition will focus on come the first Question Time - the failure of the Prime Minister to not heed the advice of DFAT.

 

[QuietB]

Surely it is in the national interest to send Rudd overseas