So who won trade week!?

[YEMOC NAYR]

When was the last time that Essendon brought in a good young(ish) player via trade?

Can't think of one.. essendon have always tended to draft talent rather than trade them in.

 

[footyfan1978]

When was the last time that Essendon brought in a good young(ish) player via trade?

Terry Daniher maybe ?


Article below from The Age newspaper in mid 2012.

THE Neville Fields deal is the gift that keeps on giving for Essendon, and in its detail lies a remarkable irony.

What Fields saw as the incompetence of the Bombers' administration in the 1970s - an era partly overseen by Allan Hird - drove him away from Windy Hill, in exchange for Terry Daniher, ultimately his three brothers and so far two of their sons. Thirty-five years later the infamous swap is still paying out, soon to put Joe Daniher in a red and black jumper that recruiters are convinced he will wear to a premiership - coached by Hird's grandson James.

''Essendon had a committee through the '70s that I thought was just useless,'' Fields said yesterday, as the Bombers prepared to play Sydney tomorrow night, a club whose course might have been vastly altered by a different shift in the Daniher sliding doors.

Allan Hird was no longer president when the Swans (then South Melbourne) offered Fields double what the Bombers were paying him at the end of 1977, after nine seasons and 135 games. But to illustrate his point, he recalled an exchange after he'd won the 1972 best and fairest, while getting paid $30 a game. ''The president came up to me and said, 'You've had a very good year, Neville. Don't tell anyone, but we're going to give you an extra $10 a week next year.' That gives you an indication of what Essendon was like then.''

That summer he watched Geoff Blethyn leave for Claremont having just kicked 107 goals, and in subsequent years saw Barry Davis go to North Melbourne, John Williams to Collingwood and Graham Moss back to Western Australia immediately after winning the Brownlow Medal.

''When you let the captain go [Davis], a guy who's kicked over 100 goals, you let a Brownlow medallist go … I was a best and fairest, and they weren't too keen on keeping me …''

The football world was a smaller place then, and players tended to know what their peers were getting. Fields says the contract he was on when South came calling ''was a bit of an insult'', but his preference was still to stay. ''I went back to them [the Bombers] and said, 'I'd like to stay, I'm an Essendon bloke, born and bred in Essendon'. They said, 'No, that's what you're going to get'.''

Terry Daniher was 20 and yet to blossom in two seasons and 19 games at the old Lakeside Oval. Back home in Ungarie, his father Jim told South's general manager Oberon Pirak that Terry wasn't going unless his younger brother Neale, then a boarder at Assumption College and tied to the Swans, could join him if and when he chose. A letter was drafted to that effect.

''We only get down twice a year, we want to see them both play,'' Adam McNicol quoted Jim as saying, in the 2009 book The Danihers. A year later, with Neale clearly a star in the making, South tested the waters for wiggle room. Jim Daniher produced the letter, and Neale became a Bomber.

As Jim had given his original ultimatum to the Swans, 15-year-old Anthony Daniher sat at the kitchen table tucking into a big bowl of dessert. ''Put Anthony's name on it, too,'' mum Edna told Jim of the prized letter. ''The kid might never bloody play football,'' Jim retorted, and for the time being that was that.

But Anthony did play - 115 games for the Swans, and 118 for the Bombers, one of them famously alongside Terry, Neale and baby brother Chris at Moorabbin in 1990. Given the choice of where Joe - regarded as a likely No. 1 draft pick - would go under the father-son rule, he plumped for the Bombers.

Joe's big brother Darcy made it, too - fighting the injury gods to eke out six games before bowing to his body last year. His Daniher humour remains intact; after Gary Ablett's 53-possession game last weekend, Darcy tweeted: ''Alright Gary Ablett Jnr, equal my career possessions in one game. Thanks pal.''

There was another twist to the Fields deal. After 60 games for South, Fields found himself back at Windy Hill, where he played the five games that took him to 200. The first of them was in round 21, 1981 - alongside Terry and Neale Daniher, against a Swans team with Anthony on a wing. In the second quarter that day, Neale suffered the first of a string of knee injuries that would cruel one of the potentially great careers.

''My heart's still at Essendon,'' Fields said from the Gold Coast, where he lives and does some talent spotting for the Bombers. His son Tom, 19, has been on Essendon's radar; a centre-half back, Fields says he is a left-footer and ''a beautiful kick, better kick than his old man''. Which is saying something.

Now 60, Fields has fond memories of his time at both clubs, believing he played some of his best football with South Melbourne. ''My heart's still at Essendon. As far as the Daniher boys go, I'll always wish them all the best. I've heard some big raps on the kid, and good luck to him. I hope he's half as good as Terry was.''

With a laugh, he adds: ''I think we all know Essendon just finished marginally in front on the deal.''



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/fields-of-dreams-20120607-1zz2y.html#ixzz3pSbfH4gT

Just an aside.
Should be noted Neville Fields son made his debut for Carlton this year and in VFL team kicked some of biggest kicks you ever likely to see on a football field.

 

[Bic]

Geelong won and Richmond came last, according to the afl.com.au

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-24/the-trade-ladder-where-did-your-club-finish

 

[Sin City]

Collingwood and Geelong added elite midfielders, they'll be the immediate winners. The rest will take a while to unfold I guess.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Winners in terms of immediately ready players who fills needs are cats, pies, saints (carlisle and possibly freeman to a lesser extent but cheap), port (dixon mainly but toumpas cheaply may be deal of period), eagles (redden and jetta) and possibly north (jed anderson but they gave a lot for him).

I may missed some clubs but they were the main additions that stood out to me.

Edit. Richmond also prob won adding Yarran as an immediate player.

 

[Sin City]

I forgot about the Eagles. Redden and Jetta should make a huge difference.

 

[Procrastinator35]

GWS 1st, Brisbane 2nd & Sydney 3rd.

Those draft points are a scream & require immediate modification....Have allowed GWS to load up, yet again, on future early picks.

In 5 years time, they'll be unstoppable.

 

[coniglio_number1]

GWS 1st, Brisbane 2nd & Sydney 3rd.

Those draft points are a scream & require immediate modification....Have allowed GWS to load up, yet again, on future early picks.

In 5 years time, they'll be unstoppable.

No one was forced to give them to us. We traded them in fair and square for top 10 picks and players like treloar, plowman (former #3), sumner (former #10), Bugg (one of our concessions that people whinge about), Hampton (one of our concessions people whinge about), lamb (first rounder) and Phillips.

 

[footyfan1978]

How would you guys rate Carlton's draft period?

The draft period has not started mate.
Having said that, I know you meant trade period.
Once I fully digested the ins and outs I am reasonably happy. Certainly a lot happier than previous years I can remember.
My detailed thoughts below about it.

On the outs we lost Menzel, Henderson, Bell and Yarran. There is some talent going out there in a very poor list.
SOS has been dealt the cards from the deck and he certainly has not been dealt big slick or pockets aces or any pair. Even the flop has not helped him.
But he has played the hand as best as he could for the cards he had. He knows the list was seriously stuffed up from past and reviewed and essentially told the Carlton board and coaching staff not long after he arrived that it was ugly to say the least. He was both shrewd in how he played the cards and bold with trading out Menzel that helped him with his next move which was to create a win-win trades with GWS of 4 youngsters that in similar age bracket to Menzel have not made their mark in the league yet. Basically he is not even caring about immediate results. He knows there is no realistic hope of premierships any time soon so I seriously think he is preparing 5 years ahead at minimum just to be any type of contender. Bell for Kerridge seems the general equal value across the people that seem to have a broad player knowledge of ability. Yarran we know has elite carry and run and kicking skills. However his weaknesses were really bad and never far from hamstring issues. Menzel we know is a player born to be a forward, but not a key forward and till now risky for injury and just playing on potential. Make no mistake Jed Lamb has some ability. If he can get his head down and bum up and develops his game he can be just as handy as Menzel as a goal kicker but probably more useful for mobility further up the ground too which was not part of Menzel kit bag it seemed. Plowman equalling Henderson as a defender or better is probably what we need. Some of Henderson's games in last two seasons have been seriously bad. When he was good he was value but real quality key position players to build a structure on as a team do not put in as many really stinker games as Hendo was showing. As your 2nd or 3rd key forward or second key defender is probably his peak in a half decent team. He did not fit what we needed. He did us all a favour calling it early to go. The little I seen of Plowman I think he can be a better defender than Henderson was so I am happy to trust that will be the longer term outcome. We then have picks 8 and 11 to make up for and surpass the enigma that was Yarran. If we make anything of Sumner and Phillips it will be a bonus. Sumner apparently has pace similar to Yarran so will be interesting to see him once whatever injuries he had are in the past. Given the plethora of young talented mids and smaller forward types GWS had then he may be hidden gem off the map so to speak simply due that if injured you not likely to get enough games to be seen. The fact that SOS would have a fair idea of their upside gives me hope a few of these guys will work out and have better long term careers than the net value of the players we moved on this trade period. If we can nail pick 8 and 11 we gained in the draft it will be looked back on as a great result. I like what SOS said himself. He said it was a reasonable trade period result which means he has bigger aims in future years when he is dealt a better deck of cards to play with at time of trade period. 3 players needing to leave for different reasons and 2 of them having terrible seasons was not the best bargain position. The Menzel trade was the pro-active one that in effect lined up with the GWS one to get pick 8 on top of some players with potential for one with potential leaving. I like the thinking behind it.
Also it was interesting to learn in upgrading the pick we got for Bell and our second round pick for pick 11 from Bulldogs he apparently held off the Yarran trade for 19 just so when we did a trade with Dogs they could not be asking for pick 19 and 20. If we had 19 already they could have. Instead he gave them the two rounds picks of 20 and 21 and then done the Yarran deal for 19. Effectively keeping our order in draft at optimal level. The fact they he also knew the other later picks we could trade to GWS to extract pick 8 with those youngsters was A+ for thinking it through. Helps GWS out with part of their academy points situation. He was juggling the timing of certain trades wonderfully well. No accident the Menzel trade got done just before the GWS one.
Then on last day of trade period the Dogs swap of picks then Yarran after it was shrewd to not think just of each trade as it's own result but an actual set trade play once he got his ducks in order.

I cannot wait to see what he can do in long term when he is dealt better cards.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Definitely not the Treloars, Dangerfields and Aishes, but I imagine it would have been possible to get 2-3 lesser, cheaper players in that age bracket. They just weren't here nor there and I think that's been a problem of theirs for a while now.

Yeah, their list is certainly in an interesting place now with Watson, Goddard and Cooney all turning 31yo next year and Stanton and Gwilt both turning 30.

You'd have to think that they're planning for their next premiership tilt being after they're all retired, but how they're going about that is the question, I guess.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Geelong won and Richmond came last, according to the afl.com.au

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-24/the-trade-ladder-where-did-your-club-finish

Interesting that they have us in 10th, when a day or so ago they rated our trade period as an A-, which was the 4th highest rating they gave out. We've dropped 6 spots overnight!

 

[Procrastinator35]

No one was forced to give them to us. We traded them in fair and square for top 10 picks and players like treloar, plowman (former #3), sumner (former #10), Bugg (one of our concessions that people whinge about), Hampton (one of our concessions people whinge about), lamb (first rounder) and Phillips.

No doubt Treloar is an A grade gun, & 2 first rounders in this draft were warranted....However, the new points system means that you'll not only secure Hopper & Kennedy this year. (2 of the top 5 midfielders). but also Himmelberg & Flynn.....It has also allowed you to load up for 2016.

As for all your other trade-outs....Most of them can't crack it for a game in your current side & are B graders at best....Just because a kid is drafted high (Ellis-3, Dowler 6, Thorp 6) is no indication of their current value as footballers....You've had 2-3 years to assess most of those cast-offs, which is what they have effectively now become.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Interesting that they have us in 10th, when a day or so ago they rated our trade period as an A-, which was the 4th highest rating they gave out. We've dropped 6 spots overnight!

Trade periods are always impossible to rate as nobody can predict the future. Media has to do it as there is nothing else to talk about, us fans all do it because we are bored at this time of year. It is all opionions and hot air.

The best thing i have found is just focus on the positives of your off season and it gets you through the long off season (at least until the cricket begins anyway)

 

[Leversloane]

At face value I would have said the Demons did very well - Melksham trade aside (he might prove useful anyway) they've managed two top ten picks and Thomas Bugg I rate.

I reckon the Demons trade week has been hugely overrated. Yes they managed to get picks 3 and 7 but they had 6 anyway and gave up their first round pick next year. I don't think they will finish any higher than they did this year so have essentially given up another pick 6 as well. The player ins and outs I think are fairly even but they are also out of the second round of the draft. I don't think they have done badly but more shuffling of deck chairs than actually making ground

 

[kangaspurs]

No doubt Treloar is an A grade gun, & 2 first rounders in this draft were warranted....However, the new points system means that you'll not only secure Hopper & Kennedy this year. (2 of the top 5 midfielders). but also Himmelberg & Flynn.....It has also allowed you to load up for 2016.

As for all your other trade-outs....Most of them can't crack it for a game in your current side & are B graders at best....Just because a kid is drafted high (Ellis-3, Dowler 6, Thorp 6) is no indication of their current value as footballers....You've had 2-3 years to assess most of those cast-offs, which is what they have effectively now become.

You missed the point of his/her original comment. You said that they points system was unfair in the academy clubs advantage advantage and that they'll be a force in a few years (the same thing that people said about GC and GWS when they first come into the comp and that hasn't happened). But coniglio_number1 made the good point that other clubs made the decision to trade with them to give them that opportunity. If other clubs thought it was going to give a rival a massive advantage over the medium-long term they probably wouldn't make those deals. The new system worked really well and, most likely, exactly how the AFL hoped it would. Sure the academy clubs are loading up on points for their gun kids but it also allows clubs to trade in to the early part of the first round and acquire more high end talent of their own.

 

[Procrastinator35]

You missed the point of his/her original comment. You said that they points system was unfair in the academy clubs advantage advantage and that they'll be a force in a few years (the same thing that people said about GC and GWS when they first come into the comp and that hasn't happened). But coniglio_number1 made the good point that other clubs made the decision to trade with them to give them that opportunity. If other clubs thought it was going to give a rival a massive advantage over the medium-long term they probably wouldn't make those deals. The new system worked really well and, most likely, exactly how the AFL hoped it would. Sure the academy clubs are loading up on points for their gun kids but it also allows clubs to trade in to the early part of the first round and acquire more high end talent of their own.

2016 will be GWS's 5th year....Anyone who imagined they'd become a super-power in 5 years with mainly kids on their list was indulging in hyperbole.

They've done an excellent job in securing the mature bodies they needed to shore up that list in Mumford, Ward, Patfull, Griffen, Davis, Shaw, Palmer & Johnson.

They'll pick up 2 bona-fide midfield guns in Hopper & Kennedy to add to the best bunch of midfield kids already - while at the same time - clearing away the chaff & picking up more premium picks in 2016 for em....Not 2 mention another 2 academy guns in the pipe-line as well.

They did supremely well to spot the way in which to manipulate the new system to their advantage: By taking short-sighted greedy clubs, looking for a leg-up in the draft-order to the cleaners....But it's clear the points system is too heavily weighted/slanted in the academy clubs favor; who can also use it as a means of collusion.

Lets also not forget, that they still have COLA, where Sydney effectively do not....They also need to reduce their list, allowing them to further enrichen the quality of their list.

Expect a Hawthorn-like dynasty in the not too distant future.

 

[Go the Guts]

GWS 1st, Brisbane 2nd & Sydney 3rd.

Those draft points are a scream & require immediate modification....Have allowed GWS to load up, yet again, on future early picks.

In 5 years time, they'll be unstoppable.

No fait accompli. People have been saying that since their inception. Reality is, it's not really an attractive club to be at and they've already lost shitloads of talent and will continue to.

 

[coniglio_number1]

No fait accompli. People have been saying that since their inception. Reality is, it's not really an attractive club to be at and they've already lost shitloads of talent and will continue to.

Which is exactly why we need to farm local product

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Biased perhaps, but I'm immensely satisfied with what the WCE have done over trade week. I don't think I would've said that before.

The trade of Sinclair for Jetta and then Giles for a 5 pick downgrade effectively means we paid very little for Jetta. Sinclair is ahead of Giles, but there's a very good chance of improvement from Lycett, or Giles returning to earlier form. Either of those neutralises the Sinclair loss.

Giving up the late first rounder for Redden was equitable.

Upgrading the pick we got for Selwood with our existing 2nd rounder to get us back near the top 20 means we can still add to our stocks in the draft.

Overall you could say we've brought in two best 18ers in Redden and Jetta and improved our second round position by 5 places, for a sacrifice of 6 places in the first round and the loss of two fringe midfielders that would've been two places further back next year. We haven't traded away any future picks. I'm stoked!

I think Carlton, Collingwood and Adelaide have also done quite well. Geelong will have to wait and see - not bringing in any talent for the next two years could be a massive mistake if Dangerfield and co are unable to elevate them back towards contention.

 

[blueboy1960]

Not over yet.

SOS and Allen to discuss Tomlinson and SOS really wants him.

Yarran only leaving for pick 12.

Happy with Henderson, Menzel Bell + pick 41 for Pick 8, Pick 21, Kerridge, Plowman, Sumner, Lamb and Phillips.

The dradt is over how can they still be talking ?

 

[Gangnam Saint]

GWS 1st, Brisbane 2nd & Sydney 3rd.

Those draft points are a scream & require immediate modification....Have allowed GWS to load up, yet again, on future early picks.

In 5 years time, they'll be unstoppable.

Couldn't agree more.
With all the 2nd & 3rd round draft points they can accumulate they can literally turn Lead into Gold.

 

[zb14]

I think Carlton have executed the right moves. SOS has had a very good trade period, but the real work starts now. I don't mean that just in the sense that draft day still looms, because that's not the biggest part of the equation. The biggest part of the equation is player development. It is now on Trigg and LoGi to invest appropriately in the football department, and especially in development, recruiting and welfare. Quality development coaches (in good number) is the absolute key. Bolton is a great appointment in this regard with his background, but I'm not too sure what's around him (apart from Amos).

It is easy to get seduced by top order draft picks and assume good things will just happen, but it's not that simple. Premium picks are preferable, but I don't think they are essential. IMO, the key to successful drafting is volume in a decent range. I'd rather have 4 or 5 picks between 20-50 than say two in the top ten. SOS is clearly committed to a program of draft volume in the next few years, now Trigg needs to do his part. If he does, the Blues will succeed.

 

[zb14]

I notice several Crows posters when assessing some of the Geelong acquisitions have referred to them as "average" because they played WAFL (Selwood) and NEAFL (Smith). That is fine.

But I'd just like to remind them that Seedsman (VFL) and Hampton (NEAFL) couldn't crack a regular spot for non-finalists. And their prized recruit, Menzel, got dumped several times to the VFL by the wooden-spooner. These guys are a long way off winning a club b & f at afl level id say. 3 x 2nd rounders + Kerridge isn't small change for guys who are playing reserves at age 23, 22 and 21 respectively either. It's a big risk for a club that's had major draft penalties recently.

Personally, I think Brisbane will get much more out of its recruits. I don't rate Jansen, but I reckon Bell, Bastinac and Walker will have very productive careers. Menzel is the only real value for the Crows IMO.

 

[footyfan1978]

I think Carlton have executed the right moves. SOS has had a very good trade period, but the real work starts now. I don't mean that just in the sense that draft day still looms, because that's not the biggest part of the equation. The biggest part of the equation is player development. It is now on Trigg and LoGi to invest appropriately in the football department, and especially in development, recruiting and welfare. Quality development coaches (in good number) is the absolute key. Bolton is a great appointment in this regard with his background, but I'm not too sure what's around him (apart from Amos).

It is easy to get seduced by top order draft picks and assume good things will just happen, but it's not that simple. Premium picks are preferable, but I don't think they are essential. IMO, the key to successful drafting is volume in a decent range. I'd rather have 4 or 5 picks between 20-50 than say two in the top ten. SOS is clearly committed to a program of draft volume in the next few years, now Trigg needs to do his part. If he does, the Blues will succeed.

Spot on. Trading well and with a strategy is just one part. Got to then pick well with as many picks as possible and have development of players across the years. Also looking at the whole list for age balance and positional balance all play a part. Having understanding and patience with that as a fan is all a supporter can do watching on and trust the club have right people in place. Bolton and SOS cannot do it on their own. The have to find some good assistants in coming years. Bloody hard job.

 

[manboob]

But that's draft week not trade week.

Which highlights the flaw in many on here discussing who "won" trade week.

Geelong picked up the best player in Dangerfield but paid a Judd price for him, 2 early picks and a player. They then paid next years forst rounder for Henderson but got Selwood for nothing. If they have also got Dangerfield for nothing then they would have killed it. But instead Geelong traded in 4 players (1 FA) but are now shot for the next two drafts.

It was nothing like the Judd deal, which was 3,4 (Kennedy), 20 - compared to 9, 28, 54 (Gore). This draft will probably bear limited fruit and I have no doubt with all the weird bank-end future pick stuff we did with GWS/Lions/Suns means we have something arranged for next year to get us back in the draft at a decent spot.