So who won trade week!?

[royboys4eva]

The obvious big winners are Geelong and Collingwood for the quality they will be bringing in. Also they will be reaping instant rewards. However they also have risked the most by giving away their draft picks.

For future building Melbourne has done a wonderful job. Bought in some solid players who will be in their best 22 and add some much needed depth to their club. But most importantly they have traded themselves into a wonderful position for this years draft. They will be a very strong side in three years provided they can get another decent defender.

Adelaide did well all things considered but hard to measure how big a loss Danger will be.

Essendon and St Kilda both did well. Bombers more through the picks they attained. They badly need mids.

West Coast will be even stronger next season with Redden and Jetta.

My own club Brisbane did better than most realise. Will go to the draft and get Schache and the two academy boys Keays and Hipwood. That's three top 20 players into the club and we will also add Bell, Walker and Jansen from Cats and possibly Bastinac and Whitecross. If we get the last two it will have been a great effort.

Not sure what to make of Carlton. They are going down the right path but its hard to rebuild when you already have the worst list and then you trade out some of the little quality that is on that list. That said it would appear Weitering will be a genuine star and if they can keep adding 2-3 more quality kids every year they will get a nice list in five years provided they don't all want to leave after years of constant losing.

 

[Theo X]

Collingwood and Geelong

 

[stewie griffen]

I think Carlton have done well.

They probably got unders on Menzel, but the GWS trade is a big win for them.

Obviously i think Port have done well with Dixon and Toumpas coming in.

The Pies getting Treloar and Howe, and if they get Aish is a win, but you'll have to see the fallout from next years draft before judging. Likewise Geelong

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

crows have lost danger and have not even nearly replaced him = big time losers

If Brad Crouch can stay fit this will go some way to off set the Danger lose.

Brad Crouch is basically a new recruit for us after barely playing for two years. He can easily slip into that position.

 

[Melksham2Siposs]

I'd put us last by a long way. We overpaid for a guy with massive injury question marks and paid a very high price for a good player. We've got terrible position in this draft and we've already started crippling ourselves for next year, which is supposed to be stronger. Even ignoring the Carlisle crap, we had a poor trade period.

You're being a sook.

Add Freeman to cheap/free regular starters in Bruce, Roberton, Sinclair & Lonie.

Add Escobar to CHB for a full season and he'll push AA selection.

Rice's improvement in the last 12-18 months even shocked our camp. Very driven and committed player, with a wicked kick. Quick thinker in congestion.

If Carlisle and Freeman come good, and we bank pick 14, could be our best off season ever.

Definitely a big wait and see on a few accounts.

The "St Kilda have fallen so far, they need to trade in scandals" is one of the better AFL related jokes I've heard. hahaha

 

[bergholt]

You're being a sook.

I hope so.

Add Freeman to cheap/free regular starters in Bruce, Roberton, Sinclair & Lonie.

Cheap/free? He cost us pick 20ish.

Add Escobar to CHB for a full season and he'll push AA selection.

I hope you're right, he definitely needs to at that price.

Rice's improvement in the last 12-18 months even shocked our camp. Very driven and committed player, with a wicked kick. Quick thinker in congestion.

I don't know anything about him, but as long as we don't pay more than our 45, I'm happy.

If Carlisle and Freeman come good, and we bank pick 14, could be our best off season ever.

The problem is that building a list is a numbers game. We're only bringing in four players this year, maybe six if you add rookies. Clubs that do well from a draft year tend to bring in 10+, which means the inevitable failures are made up for by some successes. It means chance is more likely to come up on your side.

Bringing in 4-6 they basically all have to be successful otherwise we'll end up with a hole in our list like we had after the 2010 draft.

 

[Jarman3]

I'm not going to make judgements for any other team, but as a Crows fan, I'm pretty happy overall.

Lost Danger, but he was going regardless. As it stands, we got Dean Gore (unknown), Troy Menzel (potential superstar) and pick 9 for Dangerfield (throw in Kerridge as steak knives, but he wasn't in our best 22 this year anyway), when we could potentially have just got compensation pick 14 (or nothing at all if he went in the draft). So made the best of a bad situation.

Hampton and Seedsman provide some run and some good ball use through the midfield / half back, both things we need and I'm a believer in the idea that you trade for needs and then draft the best available talent regardless of position, especially in the first round. And we've got picks 9 and 13 to do that with.

Remains to be seen what we do now with the money we would have spent on Danger - either use it to hold onto our existing players coming out of contract like Talia, or throw it at a free agent next year.

 

[bigblackboz]

crows have lost danger and have not even nearly replaced him = big time losers

People keep saying Adelaide did well given they lost Dangerfield. You have to consider losing Dangerfield as that's part of trade period.

The reality is that Adelaide's trade period stunk because they lost Dangerfield and also Kerridge.

They paid market value for Curly Hampton and Paul Seedsman, Dean Gore is steak knives and they recruited Troy Menzel that was playing 2s at Carlton. Take the emotion out and call him Troy Jones and Menzel isn't that an exciting prospect anymore. He had upside but he has shown nothing in three years of AFL and is a huge injury risk given the LARS as a junior. There is a reason the Blues wanted him gone. Even still they paid market value for Menzel when you factor in the whole trade. Its the kind of trading that Melbourne or Carlton would be happy with as it gives them a few average players that could play but there is no quality there. Its not the type of trading a top 8 team should be happy with as they need quality to push up the ladder.

Adelaide lost quality and have replaced it with bit players. Its not out of the question that all four of those guys aren't playing AFL in two years time. The best thing they did was get an extra first but that isn't going to help them open up their premiership window. You need to factor in where a team is going and Adelaide needed to open up their premiership window. Bit players and a draftee aren't going to do that.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Yes, but there are risks, not with the Dangerfield one, but the other trades, e.g. will you get the Henderson of 2015 or the one 3 years earlier who was in AA form?. Purely on numbers, you had a good period though, but it is a all or nothing trade period for Geelong.

I simply mean in terms of actually getting all our desired deals done very quickly, with no fuss at all. Didn't waste time posturing, didn't need to rope in multiple clubs in 4-way deals, didn't screw anyone over....just did the business.

 

[pugsville]

My own club Brisbane did better than most realise. Will go to the draft and get Schache and the two academy boys Keays and Hipwood. That's three top 20 players into the club .

And how is that relevant to trade period performance? Just because the AFL has handed your club yet another massively unfair advantage does not mean Brisbane did anything good in the trade period. keays and hipwood are good gets, but everything to do we politics and AFL favoritism and nothing to do we good or bad trade performance.

 

[Bardo State]

I really like West Coast, Melbourne and Collingwood's periods.

Not sure I'm as fond of Geelong's as everyone else just with how I think their list is positioned. It's going to be very shallow now and I don't see it within striking distance of a flag.

Carlton filled their list with players that won't win a flag. Pointless.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Richmond have done pretty well.

In all seriousness, if Geelong can get Henderson up and going, I suspect that they'll push for top 4. Adding in 3 known commodities in the prime of their careers, one with superstar status.

 

[Trav 20]

Are Demons fans concerned at all about trading out next year's first rounder? Club seems to be banking on rising up the ladder and doing another deal with an Academy club, but there's so much that can happen between now and then

No, I like the strategy.

One has to remember that we've brought in 2 x top 10 talent in terms of quality 4 years in a row.

2012 Hogan and Viney
2013 Tyson and Salem
2014 Petracca and Brayshaw
2015 Picks 3 and 7

Three of our top 5 in this year's B&F were under 23 - Viney, McDonald, Hogan. By comparison the Saints didn't have an under 25 in their top 7.

We've stockpiled talent and the list is ready to start maturing.

 

[whiteTiga2k]

Cats won, Melbourne did well... and if thngs work out... I think the blues did well as well.

Pies have done well also.

 

[eth-dog]

Adelaide did okay. Menzel, Gore and pick 9 for Dangerfield and Kerridge to me is a good trade for them, Menzel is a gun, Gore was excellent in the VFL this year and I don't particularly rate Kerridge so that's a break even.

Brisbane did well. Losing Leuenberger for pick 39 wasn't ideal but bringing in Walker, Jansen, Bell and pick 40 for Pick 21, 60 and a future 3rd round pick is a good result IMO.

Carlton I think did badly. Lost two of their top 4 young talents in Menzel and Bell (other two Cripps and Docherty) and then replaced them with players like Kerridge, Sumner, Plowman, Phillips and Lamb doesn't look good IMO.

Collingwood have done fairly well. Treloar is a big win, even at the price they paid. If they get Aish over the line with the pick they received for Freeman it's a big win.

Essendon have killed it. Replaced Giles with Leuenberger. Replaced Melksham with Bird. Replaced Carlisle with pick 5, as well as getting an upgrade from 44 to 25 and from 62 to 57. The 1 pick downgrade to Sydney means **** all in reality.

Fremantle did well with the Bennell trade so I classify that as a good period, even if they failed to land McCarthy.

Geelong had a good trade period IMO. Targeted Dangerfield, Selwood, Henderson and Smith and got them all. Even with the loss of picks.

Gold Coast did well. Got what they needed in the Dixon trade. Got a first round pick in the Bennell trade. Managed to get a future 1st round pick in the Melbourne pick swap as well as retaining a top 6 pick.

GWS did very well. Stockpiled points for Hopper/Kennedy/Himmelberg. Two 1st future round picks and a future 2nd round pick.

Hawthorn did well out of the Anderson trade. 2 first round picks is a good result.

Melbourne I liked. Traded into the top 3 to get Parish whilst managing only a one pick downgrade in the end from 6 to 7. Targeted Melksham and got the deal done with minimal fuss. Got Bugg who adds some toughness to their small defence.

North weren't great. Pick 15 for Anderson and a pick upgrade isn't the smartest but did well out of the Currie trade, who I really don't rate.

Port got their man in Dixon and managed to get Toumpas on the cheap, in the end getting a one pick downgrade after the Dixon deal. Might have overpaid on Dixon however.

Richmond's one trade so far was good. If they fail to get Yarran I classify it as a win, if they do, I classify it as a loss.

St. Kilda's one was interesting. Bains got the deal he wanted on Carlisle and also got a very good midfielder in Freeman as well. Some will classify as a win, others a loss.

Sydney didn't do much. Got points upgrade for Bird in the one trade they did and cleared some cap space.

West Coast got Redden for pick 17, win. Got Jetta for Sinclair, win. Got Giles to replace Sinclair for a 5 pick downgrade, win. Top 31 pick for Rosa, win. Got deals done without much fuss.

Western Bulldogs: Got Suckling as a FA. Classify that as a win.

 

[Drewie11]

People keep saying Adelaide did well given they lost Dangerfield. You have to consider losing Dangerfield as that's part of trade period.

The reality is that Adelaide's trade period stunk because they lost Dangerfield and also Kerridge.

They paid market value for Curly Hampton and Paul Seedsman, Dean Gore is steak knives and they recruited Troy Menzel that was playing 2s at Carlton. Take the emotion out and call him Troy Jones and Menzel isn't that an exciting prospect anymore. He had upside but he has shown nothing in three years of AFL and is a huge injury risk given the LARS as a junior. There is a reason the Blues wanted him gone. Even still they paid market value for Menzel when you factor in the whole trade. Its the kind of trading that Melbourne or Carlton would be happy with as it gives them a few average players that could play but there is no quality there. Its not the type of trading a top 8 team should be happy with as they need quality to push up the ladder.

Adelaide lost quality and have replaced it with bit players. Its not out of the question that all four of those guys aren't playing AFL in two years time. The best thing they did was get an extra first but that isn't going to help them open up their premiership window. You need to factor in where a team is going and Adelaide needed to open up their premiership window. Bit players and a draftee aren't going to do that.

I'm guessing geelong were the big winners?

Yes dangerfield better than stevie j but rivers is better than henderson and kelly is better than scott selwood and the stanley/ blicsav ruck combo is better than smith. So I am guessing you will be finishing around the same place in 2016. With no first round selections this year and next plus probably losing bartel, enright and lonergan next year. I think everyone is over rating geelongs drafting this year. The only thing that can get you back into the top 6 is if menzel stays injury free. All your eggs in the 2016 basket

 

[Bic]

Adelaide did okay. Menzel, Gore and pick 9 for Dangerfield and Kerridge to me is a good trade for them, Menzel is a gun, Gore was excellent in the VFL this year and I don't particularly rate Kerridge so that's a break even.

Brisbane did well. Losing Leuenberger for pick 39 wasn't ideal but bringing in Walker, Jansen, Bell and pick 40 for Pick 21, 60 and a future 3rd round pick is a good result IMO.

Carlton I think did badly. Lost two of their top 4 young talents in Menzel and Bell (other two Cripps and Docherty) and then replaced them with players like Kerridge, Sumner, Plowman, Phillips and Lamb doesn't look good IMO.

Collingwood have done fairly well. Treloar is a big win, even at the price they paid. If they get Aish over the line with the pick they received for Freeman it's a big win.

Essendon have killed it. Replaced Giles with Leuenberger. Replaced Melksham with Bird. Replaced Carlisle with pick 5, as well as getting an upgrade from 44 to 25 and from 62 to 57. The 1 pick downgrade to Sydney means **** all in reality.

Fremantle did well with the Bennell trade so I classify that as a good period, even if they failed to land McCarthy.

Geelong had a good trade period IMO. Targeted Dangerfield, Selwood, Henderson and Smith and got them all. Even with the loss of picks.

Gold Coast did well. Got what they needed in the Dixon trade. Got a first round pick in the Bennell trade. Managed to get a future 1st round pick in the Melbourne pick swap as well as retaining a top 6 pick.

GWS did very well. Stockpiled points for Hopper/Kennedy/Himmelberg. Two 1st future round picks and a future 2nd round pick.

Hawthorn did well out of the Anderson trade. 2 first round picks is a good result.

Melbourne I liked. Traded into the top 3 to get Parish whilst managing only a one pick downgrade in the end from 6 to 7. Targeted Melksham and got the deal done with minimal fuss. Got Bugg who adds some toughness to their small defence.

North weren't great. Pick 15 for Anderson and a pick upgrade isn't the smartest but did well out of the Currie trade, who I really don't rate.

Port got their man in Dixon and managed to get Toumpas on the cheap, in the end getting a one pick downgrade after the Dixon deal. Might have overpaid on Dixon however.

Richmond's one trade so far was good. If they fail to get Yarran I classify it as a win, if they do, I classify it as a loss.

St. Kilda's one was interesting. Bains got the deal he wanted on Carlisle and also got a very good midfielder in Freeman as well. Some will classify as a win, others a loss.

Sydney didn't do much. Got points upgrade for Bird in the one trade they did and cleared some cap space.

West Coast got Redden for pick 17, win. Got Jetta for Sinclair, win. Got Giles to replace Sinclair for a 5 pick downgrade, win. Top 31 pick for Rosa, win. Got deals done without much fuss.

Western Bulldogs: Got Suckling as a FA. Classify that as a win.

My club killed it and your club sucks.

 

[El Topo]

My club killed it and your club sucks.

BF summed up in a post!

 

[bigblackboz]

I'm guessing geelong were the big winners?

Yes dangerfield better than stevie j but rivers is better than henderson and kelly is better than scott selwood and the stanley/ blicsav ruck combo is better than smith. So I am guessing you will be finishing around the same place in 2016. With no first round selections this year and next plus probably losing bartel, enright and lonergan next year. I think everyone is over rating geelongs drafting this year. The only thing that can get you back into the top 6 is if menzel stays injury free. All your eggs in the 2016 basket

What does any of that have to do with Adelaide's trade period?

Look, I think when you get a player like Dangerfield and you don't sell the world to get him, you do okay straight away. Selwood cost nothing so thats a win as Geelong have plenty of cap space. Its a free hit. I think Henderson they paid around full value. He might be slightly cheap, slightly expensive considering on where Geelong finish and how he plays next year but its relatively fair. Smith was cheap. That being said, they picked up 4 guys who will be in their best 22 including a genuine star and gave up draft picks and three C graders. Its not a bad performance by any means.

I am not here to debate Geelong's prospects next year as you obviously don't watch much of Geelong or have a great knowledge of.

 

[Prem17]

Have Geelong really won?

In: Danger, Henderson, Smith, S Selwood
Out: Rivers, Stokes, Johnson, Jansen (today), Simpson, Kelly, McIntosh, Hartman, Blease, Toohey, Gore, 2015 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 2016 1st.

Their earliest pick in this weak draft will be in the 4th round and they have 7 list spots to fill.

They are a couple of injuries away from an absolute disaster.
They have basically given away picks from the first 2 rounds for 2 consecutive years, and next year's draft is said to be pretty strong.
Geelong have self-imposed the same draft restrictions as what Carlton received.
Sweating Bullets!

 

[Ti22]

Richmond.

 

[Suma Magic]

I don't think it really makes sense to count picks that you already had before the trade period in assessing how teams went.

 

[Drewie11]

What does any of that have to do with Adelaide's trade period?

Look, I think when you get a player like Dangerfield and you don't sell the world to get him, you do okay straight away. Selwood cost nothing so thats a win as Geelong have plenty of cap space. Its a free hit. I think Henderson they paid around full value. He might be slightly cheap, slightly expensive considering on where Geelong finish and how he plays next year but its relatively fair. Smith was cheap. That being said, they picked up 4 guys who will be in their best 22 including a genuine star and gave up draft picks and three C graders. Its not a bad performance by any means.

I am not here to debate Geelong's prospects next year as you obviously don't watch much of Geelong or have a great knowledge of.

If Adelaide decided to add pace to the team then you would have to call their trading good. If a team notices that they have deficiencies in an area then address that issue in 2 weeks it has to be good. always going to lose dangerfield but we didn't except 14. We turned that into gore, pick 9 and 28. We stocked up on guys at the right age. Menzel will be good. He wasn't playing in a team that was getting the ball to the forward line.

I watch plenty of geelong and I just think that the players you lost are better than the players you gained.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Are Demons fans concerned at all about trading out next year's first rounder? Club seems to be banking on rising up the ladder and doing another deal with an Academy club, but there's so much that can happen between now and then

There'd be an argument there if we came out of it with a mid first round pick. Pick three tho.

 

[eth-dog]

My club killed it and your club sucks.

Heh. Do you deny that Essendon nailed the trade period?