Prediction St.Kilda Best 22

[CursingFijian]

I reckon Ross will show more commitment to Schoenmaker than Bonner this year if Arie can get his running up to AFL level.

 

[SaintKing23]

I hope Zak Jones

3

Zak Jones

Age

29

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.1

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

4.9

5star

D

7.0

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

CL

1.0

3star

plays plenty more footy. I don't mean getting picked for the sake of it, but rather, he earns his spot back and makes it his own. When he's breaking tackles, slicing through traffic, he can be fantastic. He needs to lower they eyes and it looked like he'd improved in that area at open training.

 

[Ricmel]

Quoting out of context is such fun....

In what way? What was the context you said Membery would play ahead of Hammer, other than it is a given?

 

[Tyrian Lonestar]

Sharman stiff.

I personally think he takes Membrey’s spot for good. Hard to look past his finals performance, and there is more upside to come.

Yeah Sharman could have easily been in.

So hard to pick a side when assuming a a full list available. Shows how much our depth has improved.

 

[BrutThough]

I still think Sincs is little more than a slightly above average mid while he’s an A grade halfback. Personally I hope we leave him there.

Yep. Best way to have the strongest team possible is to play players in the position they are elite at.

We have enough above average mids. Adding 1 more while significantly downgrading our half back line won't make us an overall stronger team.

 

[saintmike65]

Sharman stiff.

I personally think he takes Membrey’s spot for good. Hard to look past his finals performance, and there is more upside to come.

It’s a nicely balanced side, speed on every line…only issue is who gives Marshall a chop out in the ruck?
I had the same dilemma when picking a side!

 

[saintmike65]

FB: Stocker Howard Wilkie
HB: Sinclair Battle Wanganeen-Milera
C: Hill Windhager Wood
HF: Owens Caminiti Philipou
FF: Higgins King Sharman
R: Marshall Steele Crouch
I/C: Wilson Dow Henry Butler (Clark - Sub)
Emg: Webster Ross Membrey Cordy

I think where possible we need to be building for the future over the short term.

In the second half of the year Sharmam showed he needs be a starting player, still think he could end up a Gunston type player with King and Caminiti being the main targets.

Membrey has been a loyal soldier for a long time, but even before his personal issues came to light I don't think he's done enough in recent years to be a walk up start over two really promising young players.

Think we'd do well to make finals again as I'm expecting Gold Coast, Doggies and Sydney in particular to improve whereas I don't see any team in the comp getting significantly worse.

But the important thing is we have the best young core we've had in 20 years. If they keep developing and we add another couple prospects we could be on the way to a really competitive list. Guys like Owens and Philipou have the potential to be top 10 players in the league and NWM, Windhager and Wilson all seem likely to get the absolute most out of their considerable talent. Think we're on for another year of exploration but at least we know under Ross that there will still be an expectation of results.

The list isn’t quite where SOS and the boss would like it but if Caminiti can make a good fist of it and Hotton & Keeler come on, we’re not far off!

 

[Username Unknown]

Schoenmaker gives me *Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

32

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

vibes. Confident, Big and aggressive with a thumping boot. He is 4cm taller than may.

If Hammer made a good back man. That would make an aggressive fb/chb combo.

As Stavros mentioned, battle could be on the chopping block if he doesn’t perform/we get good capital.

I am all for ruthless decisions if it gets us closer to a flag. You kind of get the feeling if a senior player isn’t performing they are going to get replaced by a rookie who can be molded easier to the way we want to play.

 

[Mowman]

Schoenmaker gives me *Steven May vibes. Confident, Big and aggressive with a thumping boot. He is 4cm taller than may.

If Hammer made a good back man. That would make an aggressive fb/chb combo.

As Stavros mentioned, battle could be on the chopping block if he doesn’t perform/we get good capital.

I am all for ruthless decisions if it gets us closer to a flag. You kind of get the feeling if a senior player isn’t performing they are going to get replaced by a rookie who can be molded easier to the way we want to play.

If he doesn’t perform why would we get good capital ?

 

[Username Unknown]

If he doesn’t perform why would we get good capital ?

*If the club don’t see him as a player who will help us get to a flag or a rookie can fill his position the club may look to trade him off to bring in capital to make some thing happen.

The pick can bundled together with other picks to move you further up the draft order or used in a package to get in a player*

 

[ScrappyDo]

The list isn’t quite where SOS and the boss would like it but if Caminiti can make a good fist of it and Hotton & Keeler come on, we’re not far off!

Thats a lot of pressure for the kids.
I suspect they'll be looking at a big trade or FA next year to male the jump.

 

[ScrappyDo]

*If the club don’t see him as a player who will help us get to a flag or a rookie can fill his position the club may look to trade him off to bring in capital to make some thing happen.

The pick can bundled together with other picks to move you further up the draft order or used in a package to get in a player*

No directed solely at yourself, but this thread is suffering from a very strong degree of overconfidence in our 1st and 2nd year draftees.

All stavro said is the club will not overpay to keep him, but as we had the best defense in the league this year those players will not just be tossed out so easily.
Most likely that Doogle gets a bit less, Batts gets a bit more, and they both get a 2 year contract and keep doing exactly what they have been.

Arie, Hammer, Van Ess, Keeler all need a lot more time before they'll replace a 100 game seasoned player.

 

[seasonedsainter]

Schoenmaker gives me *Steven May vibes. Confident, Big and aggressive with a thumping boot. He is 4cm taller than may.

If Hammer made a good back man. That would make an aggressive fb/chb combo.

As Stavros mentioned, battle could be on the chopping block if he doesn’t perform/we get good capital.

I am all for ruthless decisions if it gets us closer to a flag. You kind of get the feeling if a senior player isn’t performing they are going to get replaced by a rookie who can be molded easier to the way we want to play.

Think you're seriously underrating Battle and overrating the other two, one of which has never played a game and slid to 62 in the draft for Steven May vs Campbell Brown vibes. Also Caminiti whilst competitive and promising, could have also been described as green and floundering up forward at times. Battle is a seasoned KP player in his peak, highly professional and motivated, just the sort of bloke you want towing along these kids. At this point I find it hard to see a reason why they'd not want him in the blueprint.

 

[Username Unknown]

I am very optimistic about our youngsters which I don’t think unreasonable as we have a elite coaching panel mentoring and developing them.

After half time of the freo game in round one. I watched on for the rest of the season with trust that the boys will give effort and compete. Our young players were the ones who stood up for their team mates when push came to shove.

Aside from the Adelaide game they did just that.

I don’t underrate Battle. I think he is a great player and mentioned him as some one who stood out in my last training report.

I was just mentioning if it doesn’t work out/him wanting more than he is worth. I can see the club being ruthless.

 

[Mowman]

Think you're seriously underrating Battle and overrating the other two, one of which has never played a game and slid to 62 in the draft for Steven May vs Campbell Brown vibes. Also Caminiti whilst competitive and promising, could have also been described as green and floundering up forward at times. Battle is a seasoned KP player in his peak, highly professional and motivated, just the sort of bloke you want towing along these kids. At this point I find it hard to see a reason why they'd not want him in the blueprint.

Couldn’t agree more

Seems we are keen to burn a top 10 in the B&F last two years for a late 3rd round pick who has done half a dozen training sessions bit early to compare with May imo

 

[Mowman]

I am very optimistic about our youngsters which I don’t think unreasonable as we have a elite coaching panel mentoring and developing them.

After half time of the freo game in round one. I watched on for the rest of the season with trust that the boys will give effort and compete. Our young players were the ones who stood up for their team mates when push came to shove.

Aside from the Adelaide game they did just that.

I don’t underrate Battle. I think he is a great player and mentioned him as some one who stood out in my last training report.

I was just mentioning if it doesn’t work out/him wanting more than he is worth. I can see the club being ruthless.

Club should move on anyone who wants more then they are worth

Last pre season and through the season it was mentioned we should move Steele on , just silly stuff

 

[SteeleSaints]

Schoenmaker gives me *Steven May vibes. Confident, Big and aggressive with a thumping boot. He is 4cm taller than may.

If Hammer made a good back man. That would make an aggressive fb/chb combo.

As Stavros mentioned, battle could be on the chopping block if he doesn’t perform/we get good capital.

I am all for ruthless decisions if it gets us closer to a flag. You kind of get the feeling if a senior player isn’t performing they are going to get replaced by a rookie who can be molded easier to the way we want to play.

We had the best team defence in the competition last year, but obviously the club are wanting more intercept marking from our defenders. Battle has only had a couple of seasons playing at CHB and has improved each year. Although I think Caminiti could be the future CHB, he will take some time to mature into the role. I doubt Hammer will go past Battle next year, but his development will make it interesting given Battle is a FA. Having said that Battle is very good at his role and competition for spots and depth is sometimes as important in a developing side.

 

[Sully111]

Battle?

 

[Tyrian Lonestar]

It’s a nicely balanced side, speed on every line…only issue is who gives Marshall a chop out in the ruck?
I had the same dilemma when picking a side!

I was tempted to sneak Keeler into the FP / bench to give Marshall the chop out when needed. Hopefully we see him play sometime this year.

 

[Sully111]

I feel like the ones to make way should be Webster, Ross and eventually Membery

 

[CaptainRisky]

*If the club don’t see him as a player who will help us get to a flag or a rookie can fill his position the club may look to trade him off to bring in capital to make some thing happen.

The pick can bundled together with other picks to move you further up the draft order or used in a package to get in a player*

That's not even close to what you said, try again if you want too

You said if he doesn't perform we get good value - Nope we we get bugger all for him and if he isn't playing in the ones because of a rookie or another player taking his spot we still get bugger all for him

 

[Username Unknown]

That's not even close to what you said, try again if you want too

You said if he doesn't perform we get good value - Nope we we get bugger all for him and if he isn't playing in the ones because of a rookie or another player taking his spot we still get bugger all for him

Yes, that’s why I re sent my message to represent what I was trying to say.

 

[George]

Battle and moved on in the same sentence

 

[Harvestar]

B: Webster Howard Wilkie
HB: NWM Battle Windhager
C: Wood Steele Hill
HF: Henry Owens Phillipou
F: Butler King Sharman
Foll: Marshall Dow Sinclair

Int: Caminiti Stocker Crouch Clark Higgins

Emer: Ross Membrey Hayes Jones Byrnes

1. I think we’re too short down back without Howard and not sure Caminiti is a proven full time back just yet (if at all).
2. Caminiti in team to cover Marshall/King/Howard when required. His height and versatility offers us something, and think we need to pump games into him.
3. Sinclair to the middle to provide polish and 1st class delivery to forwards (ala Harvey to Lockett).
4. Higgins on bench, not seen enough out of him IMO, he has to earn his stripes in 2024.
5. A couple of emergencies stiff, a luxury to have all 5 not in best 23. The same could be said for any variation of top 28, we are building some good depth.
6. First 23 is a good mix of experience/youth/talent and X factor.

 

[Sully111]

B: Stocker Howard Wilkie
HB: NWM Battle Sinclair
C: Hill Steele Wood
HF: Henry Phillipou Higgins
F: Butler King Sharman
Foll: Marshall Dow Owens
I/C: Windhager Crouch Membery Clark
Sub: Wilson

Hammer, Jones next in line