Game Day St.Kilda v Collingwood, Marvel, Friday 18th March, 7.50pm

[Mollythedolly]

check your response again, you said exactly that. i didn't say that it's been highlighted anywhere, I said how do you know he can't play pressure forward. If you keep making outlandish statements, back them up.

Comprehension is not your strong suit so I’ll take the time to explain that asking when someone developed a capacity in no way denies their capacity. Keep trying sad sack, you’ll likely fluke one eventually.

 

[VinnieB]

Finals contender??
Our tall key forwards are Cox, Cameron, McMahon, Johnson and Kelly!!

Kreuger?

 

[VinnieB]

Its a balance question. We need to 1st identify the ones likely.to make.it and they are the ones who need games. Out of say Poulter, Bianco, McCreery, Macrae, McGinness, Ginnivan , McMahon and Chugg half will probably be off the list in 2-3 seasons. No help inf we get 20 - 50 games into players who dont make it. Thats the problem of pumping games before they are ready. They need to earn spots by weight of performance.

i don't like the odds of McGinness being on the list

 

[Kappa]

Young Daics might have all the talent in the world and be a creative threat off half back but can he actually defend an opponent and stop them being an avenue to goal week in week out at senior level?

Pendlebury is another whose defensive credentials remain a great unknown and it's going to be fascinating to see if the opposition look to target these inexperienced defenders in the opening rounds.

Pendles is not an unknown, we know he is not fast nor good at marking overhead.

 

[sr36]

Agree with much but a game or three then back to the 2nds to work on a few things doesn’t hurt

Henry is an example of that. His early games were a struggle but it didn’t break his spirit

It’s when you play kids who are overwhelmed week in and out… that hurts them

Each week we should absolutely have 10-12 a week playing in that sub 50-60 game category… considering that games bracket includes a number of mature age players like madgen, Cameron, Cox, Wilson, Murphy, etc.

Then you rotate the N Daicos, Poulter, Macrae, McInness, Henry in and out depending on form and fitness

We’re not moving the list forward playing WHE (and before that the J Thomas and Maynes) each week over say Poulter just because one has a more mature body

The worst thing would be to conservatively play seniors week in and out and finish bottom 6 each year

Such a big gap between VFL competency and playing 50-100 senior games

I reckon you've got to develop the team in order to develop individuals and bring in talented kids when they are making good choices regarding their running patterns. Eg. Young forwards will get scoring opportunities and kick goals and succeed on the back of the work of the team. If others get their two way running patterns right, young forwards do better, build confidence and develop. Those most likely to get those patterns right are the senior blokes. Stacking the team with too many kids can easily result in a floundering team where all you're developing is a lack of confidence.

Without knowing whose getting to the spots the coaches want, I don't think we can really be too critical of selection.

 

[JM#1]

WHE underrated? He’s just bad. He doesn’t deserve a rating nor a spot in our best 22.

Don't know his contract status, but if in his final year, then he can't afford another year like the last 2.

 

[Quicky]

It's a big ask but I think this is what he needs to become, not necessarily a tagger but a player that can limit the influence of the oppositions best clearance mid throughout a game. Tyler won't ever rack up enough disposals to be a pure-mid, so if he can play a defensive role on an opponent and get 15 odd touches, and impact the contest himself, then there's a spot for him in the 22 as the "sidekick" to our better inside mids (Adams, JDG etc). There was a game last year against North where Tyler went to Cunnington throughout and it was probably his best game at AFL level (limited Cunnington and had 18 touches and few clearances himself).

The added benefit is that it keeps him in the game and around the contest, he often looks like a lost toddler so giving him a clear marker and role will help him greatly imo.

If Tyler is only averaging 15 touches in midfield he doesn't really deserve to be playing there.

 

[Kappa]

Don't know his contract status, but if in his final year, then he can't afford another year like the last 2.

He’s played 1 good year in his entire career, extremely overrated, flaky player who offers no defence and limited offence.

 

[VinnieB]

its weird / slightly disappointing. The fact that Macrae / Poulter & McInnes - in their second years - cant even make the emergencies in a weak side, either means they have big deficiencies to work on, or the selection panel are committed to only playing these players when midfield gaps open up. Harvey Harrison even made the emergencies ffs!

maybe they want to teach them how to play together with almost 100% game time. Help them get their hands on the ball and use the VFL to really educate them on how they need to play midfield roies. I don't mind it to be honest. I don't think it's a reflection on them at all. In fact, when the coaches spoke of the midfield and the types of players they want to see run through there, they specifically mentioned Macrae and McInness as the players who fit those roles.

 

[sr36]

Don't know his contract status, but if in his final year, then he can't afford another year like the last 2.

Sticky hands, moves well and is very efficient with the footy. He's a receiver who has been asked to play a sacrificial role and launch in packs as the second tall forward for big chunks of the game when a ruckman or a tall forward is on the bench.

 

[manicpie]

Comprehension is not your strong suit so I’ll take the time to explain that asking when someone developed a capacity in no way denies their capacity. Keep trying sad sack, you’ll likely fluke one eventually.

Am I meant to give a shit what you say,

Comprehension is not your strong suit so I’ll take the time to explain that asking when someone developed a capacity in no way denies their capacity. Keep trying sad sack, you’ll likely fluke one eventually.

Lol, the old compression line, usually people use it when they know that can't offer anything really relevant, tell us again how you know reef can't apply forward pressure, hahaha, move on sweetie

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

New era, new dawn. Really excited for the year ahead despite being in a developmental and rebuilding phase.

Round 1 games are always hard to predict, but we're a chance here. At our best, we're capable of winning this.

C'mon WOODSMEN!

 

[Mollythedolly]

McInnes is a natural forward. He's also a strong tackler and quick over the ground. I haven't seen him be a pressure forward yet but he has the playing qualities to perform the role. To me it's a good way to gain experience in a role he is a good prospect of contributing in.

I’ve not seen anything of McInnes (u18’s, VFL, practice matches) to suggest he’s ready to replace McCreery as a pressure forward which was the suggestion. I’m on the record as saying he’s the kid I’m most excited about from all our additions over the last few years (ND may usurp him pretty quickly) and I’d love to see him getting senior opportunity. Just disagree it should be for McCreery. Bianco perhaps.

 

[Shade]

I'll go to sleep a happy man if the youngins show something just dont want to get towled up and hopefully mcrae shows something different to the boring buckley stuff

 

[Quicky]

WHE underrated? He’s just bad. He doesn’t deserve a rating nor a spot in our best 22.

One thing I'll say in defence of WHE is he is one of our best kicks of the footy inside 50. He'd have high assist numbers which makes him damaging per possession. I'm hoping the shift in game style will suit him and we see a lift in production.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Am I meant to give a sh*t what you say,

Lol, the old compression line, usually people use it when they know that can't offer anything really relevant, tell us again how you know reef can't apply forward pressure, hahaha, move on sweetie

What a crack up. Clearly you do. It’s your story as I never said he can’t, they’re your words from your miscomprehension. Keep trying.

 

[jonbe54]

With our Injuries to our 2 Full Backs I struggle to see how we can Stop there Tall Forwards.

Our Mids would have to beat there Mids to gives us a Chance.

My Tip is Saints by 30 pts

Revisit the 90 GF TD - Salmon looked like he was going to tear us several new a-holes early in the first quarter but after our midfield hit their straps he was never really in the hunt.

 

[jonbe54]

My son was a Saints supporter - but he has solemnly told me he will agree to become a Magpies supporter if I take him to games and promise to play kick to kick with him.


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[Quicky]

I’ve not seen anything of McInnes (u18’s, VFL, practice matches) to suggest he’s ready to replace McCreery as a pressure forward which was the suggestion. I’m on the record as saying he’s the kid I’m most excited about from all our additions over the last few years (ND may usurp him pretty quickly) and I’d love to see him getting senior opportunity. Just disagree it should be for McCreery. Bianco perhaps.

I don't think it needs to be an either or decision. I'd play both. If you want strong forward pressure it's a group effort. The big thing for me is finding a role he can contribute in to gain experience until he is ready to play midfield. It also builds flexibility and depth/future planning for the De Goey/Elliott role for down the track.

 

[Mick F]

Kreuger?

Of course. Thanks.

 

[sr36]

If Tyler is only averaging 15 touches in midfield he doesn't really deserve to be playing there.

I'm not too worried about his possession count. The way I view midfield is there is two very different aspects - stoppage and general play. We're quite strong in terms of blokes who can link up in general play, but are weak in terms of stoppage. Tyler doesn't have much idea about how to spread and link up in general play, but he can still be valuable if he becomes good enough around stoppage, even if he still gets a low possession count due to not getting the ball on the spread. Not sure if it will happen, but I see stoppage as the area he needs to improve in to become valuable.

 

[DinoSoar]

Mark Stevens just tweeted expect to see more Covid curve balls as early as this afternoon.Could he be referring to our game tonight?We know Covid has devastated our women’s team,so could it be spreading to the men’s team as well?

It’s Voss apparently.

 

[Mick F]

Kreuger?

My error.

 

[jonbe54]

I'm not too worried about his possession count. The way I view midfield is there is two very different aspects - stoppage and general play. We're quite strong in terms of blokes who can link up in general play, but are weak in terms of stoppage. Tyler doesn't have much idea about how to spread and link up in general play, but he can still be valuable if he becomes good enough around stoppage, even if he still gets a low possession count due to not getting the ball on the spread. Not sure if it will happen, but I see stoppage as the area he needs to improve in to become valuable.

If he can be a backup/blocker for TayTay he will add value - a big and hard contesting body will take some of the heat off and give TayTay time to distribute better.

At present a big if - but it's the most likely opening for him.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

It’s Voss apparently.

Already confirmed it's Voss.