Movie Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - Spoilers and Rumors

[FlowersByIrene]

I loved the film. My favourite of the trilogy in which I genuinely liked all 3 movies despite the internet not agreeing.

Good to see some positviity

 

[SM]

Spoke with someone the other day named Rian. I called him Ree-ahn.

He said its pronounced ryan

oops

Surprised that you didn't know that lol, Rian = Ryan.

 

[Janus]

Yes, it's a shame when the moment came for that in Last Jedi that Rian doubled down with Rey committing to the old ways.

You mean the lightsaber breaking scene? I didn't have a problem with it at that time, because it was the right idea but presented from the wrong perspective ('let it all die' vs 'we need to work together so we can live'). It would have be great foreshadowing if in TLJ, Kylo extended his hand to Rey, asking for the two sides to become one, and she didn't take it...and then in this movie, Rey extended her hand out to Ben and he did take it and they finally did become one.

You know when Luke says 'I was wrong' about disappearing for years to live a life as a hermit away from the galaxy and disconnecting himself from the Force? There was a perfect opportunity, right there, for him to have a conversation with Rey about how the Force can't be separated into two sides, and that the shadow of the dark side is in everybody. A whole 'black dog/white dog/the one that wins is the one you feed' thing. Not some bullshit about how the Jedi are eternal and that you can destroy darkness personified by crossing two lightsabers together.

Johnson didn't double down on Rey committing to the old ways. He opened the door for the last movie to be about something more than pew pew, and this movie could have elevated both to an epic story where people would have said 'Ok, now I get why they went down that path with TLJ'. Instead, we get this piece of rubbish that walks everything back to what happened in TFA and it's basically just a rehash of the OT. Which is great for the losers who thought there was absolutely nothing worth salvaging from TLJ, but shit for everyone who actually thought that there was some really interesting tropes to be explored by a competent writer/director.

Every single SW movie I've seen more than once, except for Solo.

I won't bother seeing this again. Visually, it's spectacular...but there's no substance to the story at all. Quite frankly, it's boring as **** because everything just goes how you expect it to go, which makes it neither fun (TFA) or interesting (TLJ). Inoffensive is the word I would use. When it bombs at the box office (in comparison to other SW movies) like Solo did because people who aren't die hard fans will be told that it's not very good story wise...then fans will finally realise that it was their inability to accept change that killed Star Wars, not Rian Johnson.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

There was apparently multiple versions of the film made, with the main changes in the 3rd act.
One of these versions was rumoured to have the Falcon blow up with Lando, Leia, Chewie, R2 and C3PO in it.

I'd say they made a very right decision in leaving that out.

Does anyone have a summary of what the rumoured other endings where? I'd be interested to know.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

More mysoginy from you. Sad.

In fact one of the few things I like about this film is it explains why she's so powerful which everyone's been whining about for years.

Yep, i was very frustrated with Rey's powers up until this film, they've finally offered an explanation and i'm satsified.

 

[Janus]

Smugglers =/= spice runners, but there can be overlap. Han was smuggling spice for Jabba for instance, but also smuggled other things. A spice runner would be almost like a drug dealer.

Drug mule, more like.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

"The Rise of Skywalker is possibly worse than any prior Star Wars “episode.” It ends a legendary franchise with a thud while denying this new trilogy its artistic reason for existence. It represents the cultural theft of Star Wars from today’s kids by today’s arrested-development-stricken adults. Star Wars was a franchise first and foremost for children, and the kids who grew up with Harry Potter, The Hunger Games and the MCU have embraced harsh truths and challenging narratives. Lucasfilm and Disney’s The Rise of Skywalker feels explicitly crafted for the “Rian Johnson ruined Star Wars!” and “George Lucas ruined my childhood!” demographics, right down to its near erasure of Kelly Marie Tran’s Rose Tico. It’s bad enough that adults no longer see grown-up movies in theaters, but now yesterday’s geeks who have taken over pop culture feel entitled to have the kid-friendly franchises aimed at them as well."

And this from Luke Goodsell:

"Where The Last Jedi dared suggest a world beyond good and evil, and set out to fulfil the original trilogy's promise of full-blown new age mysticism with interdimensional projection, Abrams' film ensures the old conflicts are reassuringly reinstated."

What you've got is a movie that appeases idiots who complained about the bombers of TLJ and mundane shit like that and completely skips over anything with actual substance and gravitas - like why the Jedi and the Sith exist at all.



Episode 8 ended the trilogy? What a load of rubbish. Here's a few plot points that Abrams could have explored that Johnson left open:

1. The idea that the original Jedi temple had a logo that was clearly a combination of both the dark and light side of the force in the same person.

2. The idea that it's time to stop thinking in terms of black and white.

3. The idea that Rey had the ancient Jedi texts and they might actually say something more than 'hey there's a device that will take you to the Sith homeworld if you ever wanted to go there'.

4. The idea that there was a philosophical difference between the Jedi and the Sith based around surrendering to the will of the Force vs bending the Force to your will.

5. The idea that anger, hate and aggression aren't necessarily bad things if tempered with the light side.

Oh wait, that would have required a script that went beyond action sequences. It's a jumbled mess because Abrams is a shitty writer - he couldn't even make a relatively easy decision of letting Finn tell Rey that he loved her only to be shot down because she has a thing for Ben Solo. There was no tough calls made in this movie whatsoever.

As for the ending...



Rey Skywalker. Because she really loved Ben, and would have taken his hand, don't you know?

Cringe...

 

[Mootsy]

JJ saves the day!
That was great!

won’t mention plot, but I like how the story concluded, I was really impressed with the pacing and editing even when the scenes that JJ looked to be remixing to keep a pace, I enjoyed that style, the action scenes were cool. Happy with the knights of ren, music was phenomenal, scenes were powerful. Three scenes to make anyone cry. You could tell JJ had a no “bulls!^!@“, lets make this as good as possible approach.

I also think TLJ will age well, as funny as that sounds, I think it’ll be seen as a bridge between the two JJ films that took some chances here and there but is enjoyable to watch if it comes on the TV randomally.

 

[peternorth]

Did enjoy that the cinema gasped was great

didnt hear any gasps in the session i was at. but a nice surprise nevertheless

 

[peternorth]

Surprised that you didn't know that lol, Rian = Ryan.

I did not know that

 

[peternorth]

I really enjoyed the movie too!

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

didnt hear any gasps in the session i was at. but a nice surprise nevertheless

Went to a midnight session maybe thats why

 

[atlas1]

I have no real desire to re-watch the ST. It's very fleeting

 

[edgie]

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I won't bother seeing this again. Visually, it's spectacular...but there's no substance to the story at all. Quite frankly, it's boring as fu** because everything just goes how you expect it to go, which makes it neither fun (TFA) or interesting (TLJ). Inoffensive is the word I would use. When it bombs at the box office (in comparison to other SW movies) like Solo did because people who aren't die hard fans will be told that it's not very good story wise...then fans will finally realise that it was their inability to accept change that killed Star Wars, not Rian Johnson.

Nothing has killed Star Wars.

In case you haven't noticed, Mandalorian has roared back in to the public mind with a ripper episode 7, regardless of how Episode 9 does.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Spoiler

Hux being the spy

 

[edgie]

I have no real desire to re-watch the ST. It's very fleeting

It's a perfect trilogy for a supercut.

 

[Mootsy]

Spoiler

Hux being the spy

that was great!

 

[edgie]

Spoiler

Hux being the spy

 

[Mootsy]

Nothing has killed Star Wars.

In case you haven't noticed, Mandalorian has roared back in to the public mind with a ripper episode 7, regardless of how Episode 9 does.

I’ve enjoyed all the films..
My rankings
RO
TFA
ROS
Solo
TLJ

 

[edgie]

**** the scene at the start with Kylo and stormtroopers on the planet is average... what happened to these movies? The action scenes in TFA were so well done and crisp? Then they progressively got worse, difficult to follow direction, shocking choreography, no flow...

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Spoiler

Hux being the spy

A bit silly but i supposed it doubled down on RJ's cuck-ening of the charachter in TLJ. Also it really couldn't have been anyone else (other than maybe Benecio Del Toro) without just being a new character which may have felt forced.

 

[Mootsy]

fu** the scene at the start with Kylo and stormtroopers on the planet is average... what happened to these movies? The action scenes in TFA were so well done and crisp? Then they progressively got worse, difficult to follow direction, shocking choreography, no flow...

the action scenes were superb in ROS. Has the most Sabre duels as well. Me liked.

Kylo went Donnie Yen in one scene, I enjoyed that too.

 

[peternorth]

fu** the scene at the start with Kylo and stormtroopers on the planet is average... what happened to these movies? The action scenes in TFA were so well done and crisp? Then they progressively got worse, difficult to follow direction, shocking choreography, no flow...

who were the people he killed?

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Thought it was fun twist

 

[peternorth]

knights of ren were disappointing