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Movie Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - Spoilers and Rumors
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Darth Vader killing the Emperor was as much if not more about saving Luke than it was about the Emperor no longer being alive.
I maintain that JJ wanted a story arc where Rey redeems Ben, and needed a big bad dark side guy to achieve that. Since RJ had killed Snoke, bringing back Palpatine allowed him to achieve what he wanted to achieve for Rey and Ben without needing half a movie to explain who the new big bad guy is.
I maintain that JJ wanted a story arc where Rey redeems Ben, and needed a big bad dark side guy to achieve that. Since RJ had killed Snoke, bringing back Palpatine allowed him to achieve what he wanted to achieve for Rey and Ben without needing half a movie to explain who the new big bad guy is.
If I'm not mistaken Peter Jackson shot all three Lord of the ring films and then edited into three films could have did something similar with splitting 9 into 10
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Sorry for the length of this, but heres my soon-to-be official IMDB review....
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A MIXED BAG
JJ Abrams' The Rise Of Skywalker is a cross between the 2004 motion picture National Treasure and the long-standing TV soap opera Days Of Our Lives.
As with all of Abrams' work, the visuals (cinematography, shot compositions, framing, etc) are absolutely exquisite. The affect here is that TROS is grand and expansive, very reminiscent of George Lucas' OT and PT in that regard. Unlike Rian Johnson's The Last Jedi, which was largely claustrophobic, sparse and full of tight shots, awkward angles and close-ups.
TLJ was a very jarring cinematic experience in that regard from the opening. It really didn't feel like a Star Wars movie. Instead, TROS really pleases aurally and visually from the get-go. You really dig into your theater chair..."Welcome back, Star Wars!" you proclaim to yourself.
As the plot unfolds in the opening Act, everyone in the theater is riveted (again unlike my theater experience with TLJ -- where everyone was taken aback, uncertain what they were watching, quizzical looks between people, even groans and facepalms).
Firstly, I have to say that one should NEVER let the reviews of renowned critics, Youtube channels, and random anonymous viewers taint one's expectations going into a movie. They can be helpful AFTER you've seen a movie, but ignore them beforehand.
So, TROS grips you by the balls and short hairs from the opening scene. The plot of the first Act is very engaging and easy to follow (unlike what has been said). It is not full of bad exposition (unlike what has been said).
This first Act has a very National Treasure feel to it. The ride, the acting, the lines, the humor, the banter. I quite liked National Treasure; a rollicking little adventure in the vein of greater adventures. Especially enjoyable is finally having our three main ST characters (Rey, Finn and Poe) interacting heavily with each other.
Ever so gradually, however, TROS starts undoing itself into the second Act, before finally falling off a cliff into ludiscrousness and boredom. As also evidenced by looking around the theater at other people and seeing their reactions and demeanor. Validating one's own experience.
The movie started falling apart at the tail-end of the scenes on Pasaana. Tho it was a nice little moment, when Rey and Kylo both tug at a transport ship with the force, it just felt a bit too much. As the movie went on, the Force powers exhibited by Sidious, Kylo and Rey just went overboard. Disney SW has become too Marvel / Super-hero-ish with the Force powers. One loses connect with the humanity of the characters when such extreme abilities are displayed with apparent ease. It diminishes the Force into something farcical, rolling one's eyes. I do not like super-hero movies for this reason. Those big blockbusters all trying to raise the bar on powers, big CGI special effects, and action scenes. TROS falls into this trap unfortunately as the movie progresses.
Even when the movie falls apart, there ARE still a number of fantastic moments thruout. It's just the film overall starts falling and falling in one's esteem of it.
What started out with a big internal fist-pump that Star Wars is back, with grand visuals/sounds and an engaging adventure, eventually sours the longer it goes on...and it goes on and on. Far too long, losing its way. The Days Of Our Lives aspect of TROS was the amount of inane little dramas going on, very soap, and ultimately the over-cooked Reylo dynamic.
TROS then is a mixed bag. There are a number of nice little moments littered within big boring/unlikeable slabs of the movie, and a number of unlikeable moments littered within big enjoyable slabs of the movie.
Due to this mixed bag nature, TROS leaves a more critical SW fan feeling letdown in the end....enjoyable in parts here and there, unlikeable in parts here and there, and looking back seeing where the film could've been made better if this or that was tweaked/deleted or added. If only. Not at all a satisfactory conclusion to the Skywalker saga.
Casual movie fans and general fans of super-hero/action/fantasy movies will still enjoy this movie tho. It wasn't terrible at all from that perspective, and no overt agendas going on. But SW fans who love continuity, lore, and such, will definitely find a lot in this movie to pick apart and criticize, rightly so too.
Before I delve into that...I must commend the actors themselves -- Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, and Adam Driver. Not just in this movie, but the entire ST. They really gave their all, and from movie to movie in the trilogy, they all had their moments when they shone bright, when they did well with poor writing or minimal character arcs.
Even tho Rey is a detestable character, there's no denying that Daisy Ridley was wonderful in the ST. So much heart shown, so much emotion, ability, athletic skill, and hard work. She has proven herself highly believable as an action hero actor, now and for future projects. One of the best recent cinematic examples of a strong female action/actor, despite how on the nose the character of Rey is.
In TROS, Finn and Poe have a much better script and arc for themselves, and some justice has been given to Finn to allow Boyega to show more than what he was given, especially in TLJ.
Where TROS upsets lore lovers is what has been done to the saga itself due to the messy lack of planning in the ST as a whole. How the continuity breaks between what TFA sets up, what TLJ subverts, and what TROS then re-subverts and pushes toward.
The PT and OT really don't connect well at all with the ST, now that it has concluded. The story of the First Order being a remnant of the old Empire, last pieces of it still out there...was a great idea that just wasn't developed well. It was rehashed as the Empire itself, beat for beat with the OT.
There was a far more interesting story that could've been told in the ST. Perhaps the ruling New Republic hunting down the old Empirical remnants, flipping the sides around, where the First Order slowly rebuilds by Ep8 (almost cast like the Rebels of the OT) and challenges the status quo, a new dark lord (Snoke) emerging having seen the errors of the old Empire, the Republic breaking bad, etc.
The story of a defecting Stroomtrooper was another great idea that was sadly neglected. Finn should really have been the central character of Ep7, how he didn't just start yee-haa'ing as he killed his former trooper buddies etc, but where he struggles with life as a free man, and then he runs into Rey, and a great friendship is formed where they lean on each other, both learning to adjust due to their curcumstances. Much adversity. Instead of the shitty story-arc we got in TFA-TLJ-TROS and the arcs for the characters therein.
Specifically, the PT-OT was really about Anakin and Luke/Leia to a lesser extent. The ST concludes now in TROS where Anakin was conspicuous in absence. Disgraceful that his redemption was nullified and then not at all leaned on thru the ST, especially interacting as a Force Ghost with his grandson.
The mere fact that JJ Abrams resorted to bringing back the Emporer was a disgraceful decision, especially as he was brought back solely for Rey to defeat him easily and appropriate the entire Skywalker legacy. A Palpatine taking the family name, taking ownership of the Lars homestead, taking ownership of their lightsabers, the Falcon too, and everything else.
In terms of lore, continuity, TROS leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. Not at all satisfied with the conclusion of the saga. What was resorted to in TROS. Further, how SW continues to diminish itself by never letting people just die.
I could ease up on the very ending of TROS only if a future saga trilogy revolved around Rey Palpatine turning dark, becoming a Darth, having killed Sidious and thus every Sith who ever lived existing in him transfering to her. She trains a young apprentice and grips the galaxy with her powers. Where Baby Yoda matures into a strong adolescent Jedi with his own padawan, and a new war begins as the political climate falls apart with rogue states, warlords, and a collapse of democracy/direction.
Anyway...to wrap this up...just some other things of note. The lightsaber duel on the teaming ocean of Endor was fantastic. One of the best lightsaber fights across all three trilogies. There were a lot of great moments. But the film just really fell apart with ludicrous powers, very weak logic, stupid amounts of ships in space, stupid amounts of planet-destroying weaponry, stupid space horsies, weak tactical aerial battles, etc.
It got bogged down in the final half of the film with convoluted and cheap happenings. It really felt rushed, messy, weak, poorly edited, and stupidly written. A montage of incidents all slapped together, lacking cohesiveness, lacking tension and real danger.
Even the musical score had the same journey. It was enjoyable thru the first half, and then felt misplaced and just off during the second half of the movie. Often mixed far too loudly for the scene transpiring. Often swelling dramatically when the scene called for a more subtle score, etc.
I and everyone in the theater were ultimately bored and scratching foreheads at the ludicrousness of things, the movie dragged on, it stopped captivating us at some uncertain stage. From the opening, thru Pasaana, thru Kijimi, it was fantastic, and riveting, there WAS a sense of danger, humanity, adversity, adventure, realness, grit, tension. But then it gradually fell apart before completely falling off a cliff.
GG Rating: 3/10
(based on a yes/no for each of the ten categories below)
cinematography - story/synopsis - editing - acting - script - directing - music/sound - fx - originality - je ne sais quoi
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A MIXED BAG
JJ Abrams' The Rise Of Skywalker is a cross between the 2004 motion picture National Treasure and the long-standing TV soap opera Days Of Our Lives.
As with all of Abrams' work, the visuals (cinematography, shot compositions, framing, etc) are absolutely exquisite. The affect here is that TROS is grand and expansive, very reminiscent of George Lucas' OT and PT in that regard. Unlike Rian Johnson's The Last Jedi, which was largely claustrophobic, sparse and full of tight shots, awkward angles and close-ups.
TLJ was a very jarring cinematic experience in that regard from the opening. It really didn't feel like a Star Wars movie. Instead, TROS really pleases aurally and visually from the get-go. You really dig into your theater chair..."Welcome back, Star Wars!" you proclaim to yourself.
As the plot unfolds in the opening Act, everyone in the theater is riveted (again unlike my theater experience with TLJ -- where everyone was taken aback, uncertain what they were watching, quizzical looks between people, even groans and facepalms).
Firstly, I have to say that one should NEVER let the reviews of renowned critics, Youtube channels, and random anonymous viewers taint one's expectations going into a movie. They can be helpful AFTER you've seen a movie, but ignore them beforehand.
So, TROS grips you by the balls and short hairs from the opening scene. The plot of the first Act is very engaging and easy to follow (unlike what has been said). It is not full of bad exposition (unlike what has been said).
This first Act has a very National Treasure feel to it. The ride, the acting, the lines, the humor, the banter. I quite liked National Treasure; a rollicking little adventure in the vein of greater adventures. Especially enjoyable is finally having our three main ST characters (Rey, Finn and Poe) interacting heavily with each other.
Ever so gradually, however, TROS starts undoing itself into the second Act, before finally falling off a cliff into ludiscrousness and boredom. As also evidenced by looking around the theater at other people and seeing their reactions and demeanor. Validating one's own experience.
The movie started falling apart at the tail-end of the scenes on Pasaana. Tho it was a nice little moment, when Rey and Kylo both tug at a transport ship with the force, it just felt a bit too much. As the movie went on, the Force powers exhibited by Sidious, Kylo and Rey just went overboard. Disney SW has become too Marvel / Super-hero-ish with the Force powers. One loses connect with the humanity of the characters when such extreme abilities are displayed with apparent ease. It diminishes the Force into something farcical, rolling one's eyes. I do not like super-hero movies for this reason. Those big blockbusters all trying to raise the bar on powers, big CGI special effects, and action scenes. TROS falls into this trap unfortunately as the movie progresses.
Even when the movie falls apart, there ARE still a number of fantastic moments thruout. It's just the film overall starts falling and falling in one's esteem of it.
What started out with a big internal fist-pump that Star Wars is back, with grand visuals/sounds and an engaging adventure, eventually sours the longer it goes on...and it goes on and on. Far too long, losing its way. The Days Of Our Lives aspect of TROS was the amount of inane little dramas going on, very soap, and ultimately the over-cooked Reylo dynamic.
TROS then is a mixed bag. There are a number of nice little moments littered within big boring/unlikeable slabs of the movie, and a number of unlikeable moments littered within big enjoyable slabs of the movie.
Due to this mixed bag nature, TROS leaves a more critical SW fan feeling letdown in the end....enjoyable in parts here and there, unlikeable in parts here and there, and looking back seeing where the film could've been made better if this or that was tweaked/deleted or added. If only. Not at all a satisfactory conclusion to the Skywalker saga.
Casual movie fans and general fans of super-hero/action/fantasy movies will still enjoy this movie tho. It wasn't terrible at all from that perspective, and no overt agendas going on. But SW fans who love continuity, lore, and such, will definitely find a lot in this movie to pick apart and criticize, rightly so too.
Before I delve into that...I must commend the actors themselves -- Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, and Adam Driver. Not just in this movie, but the entire ST. They really gave their all, and from movie to movie in the trilogy, they all had their moments when they shone bright, when they did well with poor writing or minimal character arcs.
Even tho Rey is a detestable character, there's no denying that Daisy Ridley was wonderful in the ST. So much heart shown, so much emotion, ability, athletic skill, and hard work. She has proven herself highly believable as an action hero actor, now and for future projects. One of the best recent cinematic examples of a strong female action/actor, despite how on the nose the character of Rey is.
In TROS, Finn and Poe have a much better script and arc for themselves, and some justice has been given to Finn to allow Boyega to show more than what he was given, especially in TLJ.
Where TROS upsets lore lovers is what has been done to the saga itself due to the messy lack of planning in the ST as a whole. How the continuity breaks between what TFA sets up, what TLJ subverts, and what TROS then re-subverts and pushes toward.
The PT and OT really don't connect well at all with the ST, now that it has concluded. The story of the First Order being a remnant of the old Empire, last pieces of it still out there...was a great idea that just wasn't developed well. It was rehashed as the Empire itself, beat for beat with the OT.
There was a far more interesting story that could've been told in the ST. Perhaps the ruling New Republic hunting down the old Empirical remnants, flipping the sides around, where the First Order slowly rebuilds by Ep8 (almost cast like the Rebels of the OT) and challenges the status quo, a new dark lord (Snoke) emerging having seen the errors of the old Empire, the Republic breaking bad, etc.
The story of a defecting Stroomtrooper was another great idea that was sadly neglected. Finn should really have been the central character of Ep7, how he didn't just start yee-haa'ing as he killed his former trooper buddies etc, but where he struggles with life as a free man, and then he runs into Rey, and a great friendship is formed where they lean on each other, both learning to adjust due to their curcumstances. Much adversity. Instead of the shitty story-arc we got in TFA-TLJ-TROS and the arcs for the characters therein.
Specifically, the PT-OT was really about Anakin and Luke/Leia to a lesser extent. The ST concludes now in TROS where Anakin was conspicuous in absence. Disgraceful that his redemption was nullified and then not at all leaned on thru the ST, especially interacting as a Force Ghost with his grandson.
The mere fact that JJ Abrams resorted to bringing back the Emporer was a disgraceful decision, especially as he was brought back solely for Rey to defeat him easily and appropriate the entire Skywalker legacy. A Palpatine taking the family name, taking ownership of the Lars homestead, taking ownership of their lightsabers, the Falcon too, and everything else.
In terms of lore, continuity, TROS leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. Not at all satisfied with the conclusion of the saga. What was resorted to in TROS. Further, how SW continues to diminish itself by never letting people just die.
I could ease up on the very ending of TROS only if a future saga trilogy revolved around Rey Palpatine turning dark, becoming a Darth, having killed Sidious and thus every Sith who ever lived existing in him transfering to her. She trains a young apprentice and grips the galaxy with her powers. Where Baby Yoda matures into a strong adolescent Jedi with his own padawan, and a new war begins as the political climate falls apart with rogue states, warlords, and a collapse of democracy/direction.
Anyway...to wrap this up...just some other things of note. The lightsaber duel on the teaming ocean of Endor was fantastic. One of the best lightsaber fights across all three trilogies. There were a lot of great moments. But the film just really fell apart with ludicrous powers, very weak logic, stupid amounts of ships in space, stupid amounts of planet-destroying weaponry, stupid space horsies, weak tactical aerial battles, etc.
It got bogged down in the final half of the film with convoluted and cheap happenings. It really felt rushed, messy, weak, poorly edited, and stupidly written. A montage of incidents all slapped together, lacking cohesiveness, lacking tension and real danger.
Even the musical score had the same journey. It was enjoyable thru the first half, and then felt misplaced and just off during the second half of the movie. Often mixed far too loudly for the scene transpiring. Often swelling dramatically when the scene called for a more subtle score, etc.
I and everyone in the theater were ultimately bored and scratching foreheads at the ludicrousness of things, the movie dragged on, it stopped captivating us at some uncertain stage. From the opening, thru Pasaana, thru Kijimi, it was fantastic, and riveting, there WAS a sense of danger, humanity, adversity, adventure, realness, grit, tension. But then it gradually fell apart before completely falling off a cliff.
GG Rating: 3/10
(based on a yes/no for each of the ten categories below)
cinematography - story/synopsis - editing - acting - script - directing - music/sound - fx - originality - je ne sais quoi
I'm surprised GG I thought you would come on here and just trash the movie all thru your review but you didn't and made some valid points.
Agree that the first half of the film was great I was hooked and enjoying it but it did drag on and the 3rd act felt flat.
Was saying to my brother sitting next to me that the first 20 mins was shitting all over the TLJ but then the movie started falling apart after the half way point
still enjoyed it but didn't love it
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if i didnt care about lore/sw, id like the movie more than i did, but as a stand-alone film it still undid itself and got crazy stupid.
but if you contextualize the movie inside the whole saga, the story itself is awfully cheap and nasty.
enjoyable as a movie but takes a dump on the PT-OT
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Was the start that good though?
It was weirdly paced and they introduced light speed skipping despite the Falcon being one of the fastest ships in the galaxy. They light speed jumped right on to the surface of planets which is stupid.
Not to mention them cutting to the blob monster in the ship like it was a new character even though we saw it maybe once after the first act?
It was weirdly paced and they introduced light speed skipping despite the Falcon being one of the fastest ships in the galaxy. They light speed jumped right on to the surface of planets which is stupid.
Not to mention them cutting to the blob monster in the ship like it was a new character even though we saw it maybe once after the first act?
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That’s a kind way of putting it
I feel your pain Shad
Think it's a tad worse than simply throwing out all that. There's stuff that just destroys established canon/lore... talking real fundamental stuff too, like star destroyers can't put shields up while in an atmosphere? Wut?
I decided I wasn't gonna pay to see this movie almost a year ago.
Main reason I dislike this film: practically takes a dump on the OT.
Well that's the main recurring theme in this Trilogy.
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It was a map to the first Jedi temple, not to Luke Skywalker.
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Ok so it seems I'm the only person that loved this film....
If you haven't seen it, stop reading reviews and form your own opinion. The fact that this film has a lower Tomato rating that Phantom Menace and Last Jedi is a joke.
It has become a Game to pick apart all new star wars content and blame Disney for everything. Take that same level of cynicism and watch return of the Jedi. You'll hate it.
Abrams has delivered 2.5 hours of non stop, beautiful action and somehow managed to fix so many of the problems introduced by Last Jedi. He was handed a hot mess. People seem to be criticising him for delivering a movie that supposedly panders to original fans. In what universe is that a bad thing?
It isn't perfect and I'm not blind to it's issues. But let's for a moment focus on the positives.
The Emperor: I was surprised (I don't do trailers or interviews or even look at posters before watching - I went in knowing zero) at his reappearance. But immediately it felt right. Once Johnson killed Smoke what was Abrams to do? Introduce another big bad guy? Imagine having to try to fit that in! And the visuals were STUNNING. His character design and lighting were absolutely phenomenal.
Action sequences: Kylo's intro fight. Rey's backflip. The jump troopers. The bikes. The hallway scene. Rey Kylo force battle of the transport ship. All unreal.
The settings / design: Fallen death star! How cool was that! The waves on endor. The Sith planet. So beautiful.
Retro fixing: Very little Rose. Unrequited love between Finn and Rey. The amazing effort in creating Leia. Luke catching the lightsaber and, "That's no way to treat your weapon". Explaining Smoke was simply a clone / puppet. All of these done to fix the horrendous fail of Last Jedi.
Big moments: C3PO's last look. Ben trying to apologise to Han. Literally every moment with Kylo.
Humour: PERFECT! No slapstick throw the lightsaber / green milk. Finn / Poe banter. That little robot and the creature who wipes C3PO. C3PO's little comments throughout. Poe trying to get a kiss.
That's a quick list off the top of my head. Its not perfect. But to deny that there is anything good in the film I believe is to focus on the wrong stuff.
If you haven't seen it, stop reading reviews and form your own opinion. The fact that this film has a lower Tomato rating that Phantom Menace and Last Jedi is a joke.
It has become a Game to pick apart all new star wars content and blame Disney for everything. Take that same level of cynicism and watch return of the Jedi. You'll hate it.
Abrams has delivered 2.5 hours of non stop, beautiful action and somehow managed to fix so many of the problems introduced by Last Jedi. He was handed a hot mess. People seem to be criticising him for delivering a movie that supposedly panders to original fans. In what universe is that a bad thing?
It isn't perfect and I'm not blind to it's issues. But let's for a moment focus on the positives.
The Emperor: I was surprised (I don't do trailers or interviews or even look at posters before watching - I went in knowing zero) at his reappearance. But immediately it felt right. Once Johnson killed Smoke what was Abrams to do? Introduce another big bad guy? Imagine having to try to fit that in! And the visuals were STUNNING. His character design and lighting were absolutely phenomenal.
Action sequences: Kylo's intro fight. Rey's backflip. The jump troopers. The bikes. The hallway scene. Rey Kylo force battle of the transport ship. All unreal.
The settings / design: Fallen death star! How cool was that! The waves on endor. The Sith planet. So beautiful.
Retro fixing: Very little Rose. Unrequited love between Finn and Rey. The amazing effort in creating Leia. Luke catching the lightsaber and, "That's no way to treat your weapon". Explaining Smoke was simply a clone / puppet. All of these done to fix the horrendous fail of Last Jedi.
Big moments: C3PO's last look. Ben trying to apologise to Han. Literally every moment with Kylo.
Humour: PERFECT! No slapstick throw the lightsaber / green milk. Finn / Poe banter. That little robot and the creature who wipes C3PO. C3PO's little comments throughout. Poe trying to get a kiss.
That's a quick list off the top of my head. Its not perfect. But to deny that there is anything good in the film I believe is to focus on the wrong stuff.
I thought movie was good, everything that annoyed me about it I can almost put down to the pile of crap JJ inherited from RJ.
What else was he suppose to do?
People need to realise star wars will never be Oscar worthy masterpiece, it knows what it is and its all about having fun.
The one thing that I just can't stop thinking about is what would the 3 movies be like if JJ did all 3.....
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What else was he suppose to do?
People need to realise star wars will never be Oscar worthy masterpiece, it knows what it is and its all about having fun.
The one thing that I just can't stop thinking about is what would the 3 movies be like if JJ did all 3.....
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You do know Star Wars cleaned up in 1978 and won 6 oscars, being nominated in 10 categories.
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Scar and jacket issues aside I'm talking plot. TLJ flowed from TFA and built on the plot in directions people didn't like. This one didn't build on both.
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Oh so has GG learnt a lesson?
