Bumped Steven Motlop (merged roast threads)

[Spazz Cat]

That's a myth too.

19 finals for 22 goals and averaging a fraction under 15 disposals.

He's only kicked 3 goals once in 19 finals and kicked 1 goal or fewer 12 times.

His Norm Smith Medal was a blight on the game and those given the privilege of being on the selection process ... 1 goal and 15 disposals.

Gotta disagree with all this a bit. Personally I think Motlops been a better player than Cyril since 2013.
Unfortunately though finals footy is a big deal and Motlop doesn't produce. Not only not produce but some of them have been truly terrible.
Cyril's been good in finals. I'm really cynical on pressure players but with him I've got to make an exception. His pressure and perceived pressure in finals has been very real.
Even though Motlop's been the better H&A player I'd have preferred Cyril to him in any final we've played.

 

[00VicWard001]

Yeah Parsons timed that run perfectly.
Maybe Danger was trying to kill him.

Danger was aiming for Parsons...

 

[00VicWard001]

Danger by name..
......that was a hospital pass not to his advantage

Danger kicked it as if he would be the one marking it. If it was Danger, he would have marked it and run right through May.

 

[00VicWard001]

You're not surprised are you?

You have soft fans you get soft players.

Soft fans = soft player? Sure thing tough guy.

 

[00VicWard001]

Not just Selwood. Any other midfielder for starters. Dangerfield wouldn't pull up, neither would Duncan, neither would Horlin-Smith, neither would Menegola. Neither would anyone else on the field.

Add McCarthy, Parsons, Parfitt. Stewart got creamed last week. Cowan would have gone for it.

 

[Tony Barber]

That's a myth too.

19 finals for 22 goals and averaging a fraction under 15 disposals.

He's only kicked 3 goals once in 19 finals and kicked 1 goal or fewer 12 times.

His Norm Smith Medal was a blight on the game and those given the privilege of being on the selection process ... 1 goal and 15 disposals.

I thought Rioli was the difference in that game and deserved it.
But boy is he struggling. I was watching the other day as a Melbourne player got the ball and then saw Rioli. I thought "you're in trouble mate". But nope, Rioli never put the foot down at all. Something is wrong at that club.

 

[David the Cat]

I'll give Cyril one thing over Motlop....he never shirks it.

Sometimes you just have to grit your teeth and go for it. On the weekend, Mots chose not to.

It was more than just "disappointing".

 

[Cataholic]

I thought Rioli was the difference in that game and deserved it.
But boy is he struggling. I was watching the other day as a Melbourne player got the ball and then saw Rioli. I thought "you're in trouble mate". But nope, Rioli never put the foot down at all. Something is wrong at that club.

Yep, almost certain of that.

 

[Spazz Cat]

I'll give Cyril one thing over Motlop....he never shirks it.

Sometimes you just have to grit your teeth and go for it. On the weekend, Mots chose not to.

It was more than just "disappointing".

Cyril has always chased and provided pressure. Actually thrived on it.
Certainly would not have called him a lazy player in the past.
I don't think it's over the top to say Motlop at times is one of the laziest and less courageous players in the AFL.
2 traits that don't usually lend themselves to finals footy.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Danger was aiming for Parsons...

Oh. It looked to me like he was going for Motlop, but fair enough. At least he wasn't trying to kill him then.

 

[Pivo]

... when the situation demands putting yourself in an uncomfortable position you need to do it... it is as simple as that, you don't want to.. then don't play a sport that is a dangerous as ours

It is hard for me to be too harsh on the bloke since I'm sitting on a couch or in the stands safe from harm but...

...when it is your time to go there is an expectation that you go. And that expectation clearly still exists since there are plenty of examples of players giving it to blokes who have been seen to shirk it.

Most players only do it (obviously) once.

I'm sure I saw Motlop pull out of a contest against Collingwood and then he did it again against Gold Coast.

Dangerfield should certainly wear his share of the blame for the shit kick and setting Motlop up. Dangerfield also deserves to be called out for making a poor decision but Motlop also has to cop it for clearly short stepping it and not being prepared to take the hit.

And, worryingly, I think Motlop has some history of picking and choosing when it comes to this part of the game.

Oh. It looked to me like he was going for Motlop, but fair enough. At least he wasn't trying to kill him then.

I think you'll find 00VicWard001 was making a joke about Dangerfield's ability to hit targets by foot (i.e. he was aiming for Parsons but shanked the kick so badly it went square to Motlop).

 

[Spazz Cat]

It is hard for me to be too harsh on the bloke since I'm sitting on a couch or in the stands safe from harm but...

...when it is your time to go there is an expectation that you go. And that expectation clearly still exists since there are plenty of examples of players giving it to blokes who have been seen to shirk it.

Most players only do it (obviously) once.

I'm sure I saw Motlop pull out of a contest against Collingwood and then he did it again against Gold Coast.

Dangerfield should certainly wear his share of the blame for the shit kick and setting Motlop up. Dangerfield also deserves to be called out for making a poor decision but Motlop also has to cop it for clearly short stepping it and not being prepared to take the hit.

And, worryingly, I think Motlop has some history of picking and choosing when it comes to this part of the game.

I think you'll find 00VicWard001 was making a joke about Dangerfield's ability to hit targets by foot (i.e. he was aiming for Parsons but shanked the kick so badly it went square to Motlop).

Yeah I realised that just after I typed it.
I get jokes.

 

[Vdubs]

What did the people want him to do in that situation? Look at where the ball bounces. To mark it he'd have to dive along the ground head first which would've both been incredibly dangerous and if he'd not taken the mark (likely) put him out of the contest.

All 3 players could've gone for a desperate lunge to mark it but all 3 decided to stay on their feet. Motlop diving in would've been reckless and dumb. It's one thing to pull out of a contest when you need to go and a completely different thing when going is not in the team's interest.

Whoever named you did a great job.

 

[CatRiot]

He is on 650k, its big bucks for someone that can damage weak opposition, but goes missing in the contested games.

The guy is brilliant, and then can go MIA.

I am not sure of the idea of getting GAJ and trading Motlop, we would need to get some compo picks in our favour of course.

Motlop has lost some pace...

 

[Larry Donohue]

I sound like a broken record mate but the buck starts at the top. Those banana kicks on the run directly in front of goal and under no pressure sum up just where we are in terms of leadership and direction. Now we have Cockatoo displaying the same arrogance. We need to get back to basics.

Motlop needs to be dropped. We need to bring a ruthless approach back into the club and that starts from the top. Put all players on notice.

That effort was embarrassing.

Now you are talking. Motlop could have broken his neck diving on the knees of double sized defenders. But the boomerang kicks on the run cost goals both defensively and offensively. That lazy decision making is much more important to correct. Easy option needs eradicating.
Not the plunge to oblivion.
We cant carry two slight players. I believe Lang goes first.

 

[cats_09]

Not trying to or going to defend Motlop, but has he had any recent shoulder injuries or issues? I'm not taking about back when Hawkins jumped into his back all those years ago, but this season or last 12 months?

Watching footage of the non-marking contest from Saturday night it reminded of watching Taylor Hunt approach contests after his return from his broken collarbone (I'm not taking about just that season, but even a year later in the VFL). With Hunt, I'd watch him run to contests and when he knew he would be first to the ball but would be put into the position to either be bumped or tackled, instead of running straight at the ball he'd run on a slight curve so he'd be seconds to the ball and therefore be the one tackling the opposition player. He didn't seem to fear the contract prior to the injury and you can't blame a player for being cautious after an injury, but as long as he held the fear of injury in his mind it would stop him moving forward.

I know that Motlop didn't lay a strong tackle in this situation and that his defensive efforts do get questioned at times (career high 11 tackles, so he can put the effort in), but I wonder of there is some issue that is playing on his mind or making him second guess himself.

It's mentioned in another thread (best makes last 10 years) of the mark he took against Sydney in 2013 - can anyone remember him attempting a mark like that since, because he seems to drop simple chest makes this year and is averaging his lowest marks per game over the last 5 seasons?

 

[Jono_Hain97]

Cyril has always chased and provided pressure. Actually thrived on it.
Certainly would not have called him a lazy player in the past.
I don't think it's over the top to say Motlop at times is one of the laziest and less courageous players in the AFL.
2 traits that don't usually lend themselves to finals footy.

Agreed. I wouldn't compare Motlop to Cyril, but rather to Brad Hill, both are the same type of player. Fast and exciting to watch when they are playing well, but also inconsistent (and at times soft and unwilling to chase hard defensively)!

 

[Substance]

That's a myth too.

19 finals for 22 goals and averaging a fraction under 15 disposals.

He's only kicked 3 goals once in 19 finals and kicked 1 goal or fewer 12 times.

His Norm Smith Medal was a blight on the game and those given the privilege of being on the selection process ... 1 goal and 15 disposals.

Sorry to intrude, but Cyrils stats were 18 Disposals, 12 Marks and 2 Goals and 4 Goal Assists. The medal could have gone to about 6 Hawthorn players but it went to Rioli and he deserved it IMO.

 

[Cezz The Catter]

Sorry to intrude, but Cyrils stats were 18 Disposals, 12 Marks and 2 Goals and 4 Goal Assists. The medal could have gone to about 6 Hawthorn players but it went to Rioli and he deserved it IMO.

When it comes to Norm Smiths they make some howlers, Rioli was good on that day however. Still want to know if Scott 'Embelbry' the 2010 recipient actually exists.

Also Jojo last year? He flopped 5 inside 50s. Boyd and Picken were robbed.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Sorry to intrude, but Cyrils stats were 18 Disposals, 12 Marks and 2 Goals and 4 Goal Assists. The medal could have gone to about 6 Hawthorn players but it went to Rioli and he deserved it IMO.

All that does is further heighten just how overrated he is.

 

[Spazz Cat]

When it comes to Norm Smiths they make some howlers, Rioli was good on that day however. Still want to know if Scott 'Embelbry' the 2010 recipient actually exists.

Also Jojo last year? He flopped 5 inside 50s. Boyd and Picken were robbed.

They often don't get it right. In 07 Stevie J was great but I thought Scarlett deserved it more.
In 11 funnily enough I thought Stevie J should of won it.

 

[Partridge]

Soft fans = soft player? Sure thing tough guy.

If you have tolerance for pulling out of contests from fans, plus tolerance that different levels of effort are acceptable from players, and any of that gets through to the club, it's going to have a negative effect.

 

[kirbatron]

All that does is further heighten just how overrated he is.

All it does is confirm you've pulled numbers out your arse & havent the watched game (can understand why tho)

 

[Art Vandelay_]

All it does is confirm you've pulled numbers out your arse & havent the watched game (can understand why tho)

We're not interested in defending Cyril. He's overrated, overhyped and now a confirmed downhill skier.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

All it does is confirm you've pulled numbers out your arse & havent the watched game (can understand why tho)

Go take offence on your own board.