We’ll have plenty of HBF/midfield currency to trade for a big bodied key defender.
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We’ll have plenty of HBF/midfield currency to trade for a big bodied key defender.
Ready-made quality is expensive - Steven May cost Melbourne pick 6. Much better if we can grow one - whether it be Blanck, Rule or one of our forwards. It is easy to say we have plenty of currency until the time for the trade comes and we find out it requires someone of the calibre of Day, Jiath, Scrimshaw or Ward to get the deal done.
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Or you just get one through free agency, no need to pay.
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That would require us to have a new approach to free agency that means paying more for free agents as opposed to assuming they'll come to us for unders 'because Hawthorn'. Possibly with the new brains trust that would now be a possibility. Only real candidate in the age profile we should be looking at this year is Darcy Moore.
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He's lost the mullet, so he looks different. Didn't see much of him but our impression at one point was how clean his hands are, both when marking and picking up on the run.
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Depending on how you defend, I'm not convinced there's a necessity for a big bodied defensive lynch pin in the game anymore. Richmond have probably been the best defensive team in the comp when it comes to recent history and they were arguably at their peak without Alex Rance. Grimes and Astbury rotated the more dangerous players, and they had a lot of other mid sized options who defended the ground well. Astbury was no star, but in that system he did the job.
Like you said, Melbourne traded Pick 6 for May and even more for Lever and they struggled for a few years even with those guys - for a little while it was looking like it might be a bust. When the guys up field took more responsibility for defending the ground, May and Lever started looking elite again.
To my mind it's much better to create a system for the players you've got, instead of trying to fit players into a system where you're relying on chance to develop or acquire a certain type of player.
I reckon he has two good years left which gives us time to develop Denver an hopefully unearth another key backmen. He also seems to have trimmed down over summer which is good, I felt that he was a bit heavy last season.
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Moore would be a huge get but I just can't see him leaving the pies unfortunately.
He is a heck of a player though.
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The compensation they'd receive would be Pick 2-4, which (IMO) is more valuable to them as a garbage/rebuilding side than keeping him.
He would be perfect for us & I think we'll have a fair shot at bringing him across (no idea if it's even a consideration for him though).
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Fantastic informative posts by The Axeman and they leave me with little to add. What really excites me is the genuine vibe that the players are really enjoying themselves and thriving with a new sense of freedom. There is noticeably a lot more voice and team support within the entire playing list. Ward and Macdonald look like they have fitted in seamlessly and have been at the club for a couple of years. Ward is a beast the way he wins the ball and gets to the next contest. His ball handling, decision making and disposal are all top class. Macdonald just knows where to run and is an accumulator with good balance and strength. Both boys are tracking to debut in round one.
The battle between Tom and Blake was epic. Blake would apply a bear hug tackle on Tom and some how Tom would either break out or free his hands to dispose of the ball. Blake was spent after the battle while Tom didn't slow down for the entire session.
Jackson Callow was the tackler who accidently wacked Denver in the ear. It certainly slowed down Denver and they enjoyed a good laugh about it when I spoke to them at the end of the session. With the way the match simulation was played in half the oval it was difficult to distinguish whether Jackson was playing as a defender or forward. Jackson is a really strong young man with surprising speed and could well be the ideal replacement for Hartigan. Jackson doesn't turn 20 until June and having watched him at training last year as well as his development playing at the BHH, I'm confident he will give 100% to play in the AFL.
I was in need of a life support of a footy fix and stayed until all players and coaches had left the ground. The session finished with the players having runs of around 50 and 100 metres. What stood out for me was the way Ward and Macdonald competed hard and pushed each other in one group. The other player to stand out was James Sicily who finished really strongly in a number of runs. I hadn't noticed Sic previously so he may have conserved his energy for the running
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Finally when nearly all the players had left the ground, Tom, Finn, Dan Howe and Josh Ward kneeled in a tight circle for a ground ball handling exercise. There was certainly a lot of positives to take away from the session.
The battle between Tom and Blake was epic. Blake would apply a bear hug tackle on Tom and some how Tom would either break out or free his hands to dispose of the ball. Blake was spent after the battle while Tom didn't slow down for the entire session.
Jackson Callow was the tackler who accidently wacked Denver in the ear. It certainly slowed down Denver and they enjoyed a good laugh about it when I spoke to them at the end of the session. With the way the match simulation was played in half the oval it was difficult to distinguish whether Jackson was playing as a defender or forward. Jackson is a really strong young man with surprising speed and could well be the ideal replacement for Hartigan. Jackson doesn't turn 20 until June and having watched him at training last year as well as his development playing at the BHH, I'm confident he will give 100% to play in the AFL.
I was in need of a life support of a footy fix and stayed until all players and coaches had left the ground. The session finished with the players having runs of around 50 and 100 metres. What stood out for me was the way Ward and Macdonald competed hard and pushed each other in one group. The other player to stand out was James Sicily who finished really strongly in a number of runs. I hadn't noticed Sic previously so he may have conserved his energy for the running
.Finally when nearly all the players had left the ground, Tom, Finn, Dan Howe and Josh Ward kneeled in a tight circle for a ground ball handling exercise. There was certainly a lot of positives to take away from the session.
Fantastic informative posts by The Axeman and they leave me with little to add. What really excites me is the genuine vibe that the players are really enjoying themselves and thriving with a new sense of freedom. There is noticeably a lot more voice and team support within the entire playing list. Ward and Macdonald look like they have fitted in seamlessly and have been at the club for a couple of years. Ward is a beast the way he wins the ball and gets to the next contest. His ball handling, decision making and disposal are all top class. Macdonald just knows where to run and is an accumulator with good balance and strength. Both boys are tracking to debut in round one.
The battle between Tom and Blake was epic. Blake would apply a bear hug tackle on Tom and some how Tom would either break out or free his hands to dispose of the ball. Blake was spent after the battle while Tom didn't slow down for the entire session.
Jackson Callow was the tackler who accidently wacked Denver in the ear. It certainly slowed down Denver and they enjoyed a good laugh about it when I spoke to them at the end of the session. With the way the match simulation was played in half the oval it was difficult to distinguish whether Jackson was playing as a defender or forward. Jackson is a really strong young man with surprising speed and could well be the ideal replacement for Hartigan. Jackson doesn't turn 20 until June and having watched him at training last year as well as his development playing at the BHH, I'm confident he will give 100% to play in the AFL.
I was in need of a life support of a footy fix and stayed until all players and coaches had left the ground. The session finished with the players having runs of around 50 and 100 metres. What stood out for me was the way Ward and Macdonald competed hard and pushed each other in one group. The other player to stand out was James Sicily who finished really strongly in a number of runs. I hadn't noticed Sic previously so he may have conserved his energy for the running
Finally when nearly all the players had left the ground, Tom, Finn, Dan Howe and Josh Ward kneeled in a tight circle for a ground ball handling exercise. There was certainly a lot of positives to take away from the session.
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Love the additional insight here.Fantastic informative posts by The Axeman and they leave me with little to add. What really excites me is the genuine vibe that the players are really enjoying themselves and thriving with a new sense of freedom. There is noticeably a lot more voice and team support within the entire playing list. Ward and Macdonald look like they have fitted in seamlessly and have been at the club for a couple of years. Ward is a beast the way he wins the ball and gets to the next contest. His ball handling, decision making and disposal are all top class. Macdonald just knows where to run and is an accumulator with good balance and strength. Both boys are tracking to debut in round one.
The battle between Tom and Blake was epic. Blake would apply a bear hug tackle on Tom and some how Tom would either break out or free his hands to dispose of the ball. Blake was spent after the battle while Tom didn't slow down for the entire session.
Jackson Callow was the tackler who accidently wacked Denver in the ear. It certainly slowed down Denver and they enjoyed a good laugh about it when I spoke to them at the end of the session. With the way the match simulation was played in half the oval it was difficult to distinguish whether Jackson was playing as a defender or forward. Jackson is a really strong young man with surprising speed and could well be the ideal replacement for Hartigan. Jackson doesn't turn 20 until June and having watched him at training last year as well as his development playing at the BHH, I'm confident he will give 100% to play in the AFL.
I was in need of a life support of a footy fix and stayed until all players and coaches had left the ground. The session finished with the players having runs of around 50 and 100 metres. What stood out for me was the way Ward and Macdonald competed hard and pushed each other in one group. The other player to stand out was James Sicily who finished really strongly in a number of runs. I hadn't noticed Sic previously so he may have conserved his energy for the running
Finally when nearly all the players had left the ground, Tom, Finn, Dan Howe and Josh Ward kneeled in a tight circle for a ground ball handling exercise. There was certainly a lot of positives to take away from the session.
I'm really curious as to what you think our midfield mix will look like if they're both in for a round one debut?
JOM, Titch, Worpel, Shiels, Finn, Nash, Howe, Morrison, Downie, Phillips, Ward, Wingard, Butler, Macdonald, Duke, Saunders, O'Hara, Bramble.
All bar Nash (overseas), Butler and Phillips have received some solid praise in recent times.
Also really love to hear of those four boys sticking it out to do some extra work afterwards- I get the feeling Finn is going to be massive for us this year!
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Any identifiable reason for this HH? Curious if the regime change and list refresh has democratised the playing group a little or does Sammy and the new coaching group want more talk from the players in general?
And thanks for the update as always!
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Fantastic informative posts by The Axeman and they leave me with little to add. What really excites me is the genuine vibe that the players are really enjoying themselves and thriving with a new sense of freedom. There is noticeably a lot more voice and team support within the entire playing list. Ward and Macdonald look like they have fitted in seamlessly and have been at the club for a couple of years. Ward is a beast the way he wins the ball and gets to the next contest. His ball handling, decision making and disposal are all top class. Macdonald just knows where to run and is an accumulator with good balance and strength. Both boys are tracking to debut in round one.
The battle between Tom and Blake was epic. Blake would apply a bear hug tackle on Tom and some how Tom would either break out or free his hands to dispose of the ball. Blake was spent after the battle while Tom didn't slow down for the entire session.
Jackson Callow was the tackler who accidently wacked Denver in the ear. It certainly slowed down Denver and they enjoyed a good laugh about it when I spoke to them at the end of the session. With the way the match simulation was played in half the oval it was difficult to distinguish whether Jackson was playing as a defender or forward. Jackson is a really strong young man with surprising speed and could well be the ideal replacement for Hartigan. Jackson doesn't turn 20 until June and having watched him at training last year as well as his development playing at the BHH, I'm confident he will give 100% to play in the AFL.
I was in need of a life support of a footy fix and stayed until all players and coaches had left the ground. The session finished with the players having runs of around 50 and 100 metres. What stood out for me was the way Ward and Macdonald competed hard and pushed each other in one group. The other player to stand out was James Sicily who finished really strongly in a number of runs. I hadn't noticed Sic previously so he may have conserved his energy for the running
Finally when nearly all the players had left the ground, Tom, Finn, Dan Howe and Josh Ward kneeled in a tight circle for a ground ball handling exercise. There was certainly a lot of positives to take away from the session.
My gosh i cant wait to see Ward play.
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Ward is going to be a star.
A rising star?
Bloody oath, how's the physique on Ward (i believe) in pic 18? fully grown man, ready to play!Lads are looking fit!
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Also feel that Scrimshaw is a bit of a forgotten soldier in the reports at present? Hoping he'll continue to solidly develop.
Genuinely excited with how many names we will be putting forward for a rising star nod this season.A rising star?
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Those I'd say are in the mix this season are:
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Rei154, what a difficult question. You've named 19 players including Nash and left out Bruest and Moore who on occasions have lined up in the midfield.
It's far too early to make a call apart from saying I think the ability and flexibility to play back and forward as well as in the midfield will be highly valued. We could see a lot more rotations so we are more unpredictable and our midfielders will be fresher. We will play a more attacking offensive style of football so that will influence the makeup of the midfield.
I'd love Finn to be massive because it will mean our midfield depth will be really strong. The depth of young talent makes me even more excited about watching the BHH in 2022.
Ned Ryerson, I think the scene was set when our senior players declined the opportunity to receive more lucrative offers elsewhere in their twilight years. Over the last few years I've been under the impression a number of players have been consumed by structures and looked like they weren't enjoying playing. Last year Sam was a breath of fresh air coaching the BHH. He encouraged players to play with freedom and to back their natural ability. He effectively removed any handcuffs which were holding the players back and openly challenged the team to target kicking 20 goals a game. The players enjoyed playing attacking offensive football and backed themselves to beat their opponents rather than worry about their opponents.
The senior BHH listed players were given leadership responsibility to guide the younger HFC players and all players appeared to be united as a group. When listening to the coaches at the breaks I was very impressed with the way they encouraged and sort feedback from the players. I really liked the way Sam was not afraid to bring a mistake made by a player to the attention of the group because he always followed up by throwing in a positive.
One parent attributed his son's improvement to Sam focusing on his strengths which gave him belief and confidence. A number of parents have told me how much their sons have enjoyed training and playing at the club.
I couldn't be happier with the timing of the appointment of Sam and the coaching groups at Hawthorn and the BHH.
It's far too early to make a call apart from saying I think the ability and flexibility to play back and forward as well as in the midfield will be highly valued. We could see a lot more rotations so we are more unpredictable and our midfielders will be fresher. We will play a more attacking offensive style of football so that will influence the makeup of the midfield.
I'd love Finn to be massive because it will mean our midfield depth will be really strong. The depth of young talent makes me even more excited about watching the BHH in 2022.
Ned Ryerson, I think the scene was set when our senior players declined the opportunity to receive more lucrative offers elsewhere in their twilight years. Over the last few years I've been under the impression a number of players have been consumed by structures and looked like they weren't enjoying playing. Last year Sam was a breath of fresh air coaching the BHH. He encouraged players to play with freedom and to back their natural ability. He effectively removed any handcuffs which were holding the players back and openly challenged the team to target kicking 20 goals a game. The players enjoyed playing attacking offensive football and backed themselves to beat their opponents rather than worry about their opponents.
The senior BHH listed players were given leadership responsibility to guide the younger HFC players and all players appeared to be united as a group. When listening to the coaches at the breaks I was very impressed with the way they encouraged and sort feedback from the players. I really liked the way Sam was not afraid to bring a mistake made by a player to the attention of the group because he always followed up by throwing in a positive.
One parent attributed his son's improvement to Sam focusing on his strengths which gave him belief and confidence. A number of parents have told me how much their sons have enjoyed training and playing at the club.
I couldn't be happier with the timing of the appointment of Sam and the coaching groups at Hawthorn and the BHH.
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