Training Summer Footy Fix - 2022 training watch

[KermitJagger]

i am a big fan of those big yellow lines in the 20-23 age range

our age profile is already looking so much better than it was 2019-21

I like the relatively even yellow lines between 26 and 31 tbh, it's good distribution. Doesn't mean we're looking down the barrel of losing a bunch of great experience over 1 or 2 off seasons.

 

[Brishawk]

Is that because they're so old it's before Footywire started tracking age stats?

Just a shonky club

 

[Slainte]

How many could bigboy snag as a full time forward?

David Hale would be the closest equivalent. He went at around one goal per game playing as a KPF and secondary ruck.

 

[streetspirit]

What I was going to say before I hit post reply too soon was that that age column chart may be interesting to see as a cumulative chart

 

[cryptor]

David Hale would be the closest equivalent. He went at around one goal per game playing as a KPF and secondary ruck.

I see the main benefit of having McEvoy spending the majority of his time up forward is that if he hangs deep around the goal square he demands one of the opposition KPD to man him. That provides space for Lewis/Gunston/Kosi and practically ensures none of them can be double teamed. If he can then average a goal a game on top of that then that's awesome.

 

[Flukey!]

We have double the amount of players that Geelong do under 24. Yikes.

Yikes for them.

For us its like...

 

[eldorado]

But at least he can say he averaged 2 goals a game for his entire AFL (VFL) career

Luke Lowden says hi!

3 goals a game over an 8 year career

 

[Brant]

How many could bigboy snag as a full time forward?

Very interesting question, IMO - made all the more interesting with David Hale as FWD Coach (pretty sure he is?).

Hale was brilliant as a FWD/RUCK. Extremely clever as a FWD (he was a FF 1st, then a Ruckman) & demonstrated better than anyone I've seen, the benefit of unrewarded leads to the FP, dragging a KPD away from the Goal Square, leaving Roughy to bring the ball to ground & allowing Breust, Cyril & Popeye to feast.

Of course, Hale was also a strong mark & good on the lead in his own right, so was kind of a double threat.

Now, BigBoy is IMO a better mark, competent on the lead & a good kick at goal, so he has to be respected when deep Forward. He's not going to be out-marked by anyone & is smart with his tapping to advantage etc.

I'd expect that he'll be good for 1 goal a game (maybe 1.5) but I think having him at FF/FP will see our Forwardline operate as well a it has since 2016 - especially under Hale's guidance.

 

[H00t]

I see the main benefit of having McEvoy spending the majority of his time up forward is that if he hangs deep around the goal square he demands one of the opposition KPD to man him. That provides space for Lewis/Gunston/Kosi and practically ensures none of them can be double teamed. If he can then average a goal a game on top of that then that's awesome.

Will definitely assist us in the air. I do worry about our ground level pressure though. If we go tall teams will keep running it out against us. And our talls won’t have many forwards to bring the ball down to.

It’ll be a mark or nothing for us.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Will definitely assist us in the air. I do worry about our ground level pressure though. If we go tall teams will keep running it out against us. And our talls won’t have many forwards to bring the ball down to.

It’ll be a mark or nothing for us.

I'm confident Breust, Moore and Brocky can get it done. Also appears to be a strength of Sam Butler.

 

[cryptor]

Will definitely assist us in the air. I do worry about our ground level pressure though. If we go tall teams will keep running it out against us. And our talls won’t have many forwards to bring the ball down to.

It’ll be a mark or nothing for us.

That's why I had to drop Kosi from my team in the round 1 thread. Gunston and Lewis are in better form it would appear from reports and McEvoy is captain and plays a structurally different role anyway. Additional smalls will probably also need to push hard from up the ground when we enter into 50 to hit the front of the packs and crumb any dropped marks.

Hopefully with better quality entries to strong marking forwards on the lead there won't be too many instances of that anyway.

 

[hawkman]

Will definitely assist us in the air. I do worry about our ground level pressure though. If we go tall teams will keep running it out against us. And our talls won’t have many forwards to bring the ball down to.

It’ll be a mark or nothing for us.

It is why all of McEvoy, Kosi, Lewis and Gunston may not be able to play together

We did use to have Hale, Roughy, Frankin and Gunston but all of those last 3 were more mobile versions of what we have now

 

[H00t]

I'm confident Breust, Moore and Brocky can get it done. Also appears to be a strength of Sam Butler.

Breust will be able to provide good pressure. But I’m not as sold on Moore and Brocky’s defensive pressure. At least that they could carry a whole forward lines forward pressure.

Moore is more a HFF to me and is not one to put a heap of tackle pressure or chase anyone down. Will get some tackles around contests though. And Brocky looks more of an offensive forward pocket at this stage. As he develops he will get better at the defensive stuff.

I think with the way the game has gone. If you want to go tall, you have to have top level defensive smalls to make up for it.

 

[H00t]

It is why all of McEvoy, Kosi, Lewis and Gunston may not be able to play together

We did use to have Hale, Roughy, Frankin and Gunston but all of those last 3 are more more mobile versions of what we have now

We also made it work with 3 of the best defensive small forwards of all time. No defender had time to breathe with Rioli, Poppy and Breust around together.

 

[Dewnior]

What I was going to say before I hit post reply too soon was that that age column chart may be interesting to see as a cumulative chart

The Edit and Delete Post features are your friend

 

[hawkman]

The Edit and Delete Post features are your friend

Unless someone quotes you

 

[Blackhawk42]

Breust will be able to provide good pressure. But I’m not as sold on Moore and Brocky’s defensive pressure. At least that they could carry a whole forward lines forward pressure.

Moore is more a HFF to me and is not one to put a heap of tackle pressure or chase anyone down. Will get some tackles around contests though. And Brocky looks more of an offensive forward pocket at this stage. As he develops he will get better at the defensive stuff.

I think with the way the game has gone. If you want to go tall, you have to have top level defensive smalls to make up for it.

Can't disagree on those points. One thing however is that we are going to have better direction moving the ball inside 50 (one would hope). This may assist the small forwards we do have when the ball hits the ground because they may not be chasing as much as they will be pressuring.

 

[Flukey!]

Very interesting question, IMO - made all the more interesting with David Hale as FWD Coach (pretty sure he is?).

Hale was brilliant as a FWD/RUCK. Extremely clever as a FWD (he was a FF 1st, then a Ruckman) & demonstrated better than anyone I've seen, the benefit of unrewarded leads to the FP, dragging a KPD away from the Goal Square, leaving Roughy to bring the ball to ground & allowing Breust, Cyril & Popeye to feast.

Of course, Hale was also a strong mark & good on the lead in his own right, so was kind of a double threat.

Now, BigBoy is IMO a better mark, competent on the lead & a good kick at goal, so he has to be respected when deep Forward. He's not going to be out-marked by anyone & is smart with his tapping to advantage etc.

I'd expect that he'll be good for 1 goal a game (maybe 1.5) but I think having him at FF/FP will see our Forwardline operate as well a it has since 2016 - especially under Hale's guidance.

So our 6 forwards would be BigBoy, Kosi, Lewis, Jack, Bruest and Moore/Brockman?
Three talls, a mid and two smalls.

 

[Randy Campbell]

Ah **** I love Sicily thumping goals. Especially when he thanks Joey D after

 

[Steven Tyler]

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Sic the only one still in the same colours

 

[threesixpio]

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It was genius then

It is genius now

Thanks for the free + aren’t you the one meant to be kicking goals in this arrangement

Ahhhhhhhhh

 

[Pessimistic]

Yeah - what a cheek.
A club eternally in the doldrums, never won a flag. Took the initiative and did some brilliant recruiting. Then splashed out in 1975 to take the opportunity to use the new 10 year free agency rule and cherry pick 3 champions - a full forward (Wade), midfielder(Davis) and courageous half back (Randall) and also grab Crosswell from Carlton - to combine with a core of sensational younger players they had nurtured. And won a couple of flags.

No respect? Jeez you’re a hard man.
All credit to them.

It’s really refreshing that when they let a recruiting free for all rip, it wasn’t the monster clubs which cleaned up, it was the unfashionable north and hawthorn

 

[grumbleguts]

There’s maybe what, 10-20 genuinely exposed key forwards who would be expected to play every week for their side?

Dumbing it right down, if we pretend that every one is on the same level talent and output wise he’s a one in 20 chance to win “the race to the Coleman”.

Lewis isn’t a fave to win the Coleman by any stretch so his odds would be longer than 20/1, but if any betting agency put up odds of 1000/1 you’d be an idiot not to jump at it.

Or to put it another way, there are about 764 players on an afl list. If they were all equally likely to win the coleman, any player would be at 764/1.

Since many will remain in the back line, and many will only play a handful of games, his odds being a fairly permanent forward would ave to be far better than 764/1

 

[Dewnior]

Unless someone quotes you

You can still edit your post even if someone quotes you.

Besides, the poster said he realised right after he posted which meant he could have make the changes he wanted before someone quotes him.

 

[rei154]

Hawks SM team coming through with more goods!