Swans, Crows not top two: Malthouse

[Satchel]

I cringe when I read threads like this

I cringed even more when I saw it was a Hawthorn supporter who started it

September will sort all this out

 

[Copernicus]

You wish clown.

Yes I do, if only to wipe the smugness out of the likes of you.

 

[TRAWP]

If you're calling Mick Malthouse and Matthew Richardson fringe dwellers then yes.

Wasn't Matthew Richardson the same guy who believes goal kicking accuracy is a direct reflection to the increase in post height? Great source kiddo.

 

[Cap]

Not sure where the theories have evolved about Sydney having an easy draw. Teams they play twice are Geelong (2nd on ladder last year and premiers),Haw (3rd), StKilda (6th) Western Bulldogs (10th) and GWS (new)

Compare that to Adelaide
Geelong (2nd) Fremantle (11th) Port (16th) Suns (17th) and GWS (new)

Its very unfair to be throwing Sydney into the same camp as Adelaide. They have a very tough draw with three of their five return games being against finallists from last season.

wait, this was the Fremantle that just demolished the WCE? - who went on to beat Geelong? and Geelong who had a pretty handy win against the Hawks the previous weeks?

Sure, throw Port, the Suns and GWS into the mix but there is no need to be a complete knob about it.

 

[legend166]

I'm still waiting for the explanation as to why the fixture has advantaged Sydney,

Get to it, Beth.

 

[TheRoo32]

Do you think Adelaide is a better team than Hawthorn? Just a yes or no answer will suffice thank you.

Game style - Adelaide
Coach - Adelaide
Defence - Adelaide
Midfield - Adelaide
Ruck - Adelaide
Forward Line - Hawthorn (Adelaides is still very strong)

5/6 therefore Adelaide...

Also Adelaide didnt get belted by Sydney or Richmond....

 

[Scotland]

Hawthorn: Lost at home to Sydney, lost to West Coast in Perth, can't beat Geelong in a month of Sundays
Sydney: Beat Hawthorn away, creamed West Coast away, beat Geelong, can't beat Collingwood in a month of Sundays

I'm not seeing a convincing argument that Hawthorn deserve top spot...

 

[Cuzz09]

Anyway, finals huh. Should be good.

 

[Bluelegs]

Or trade your games for the teams we play twice. Geelong, Sydney, West Coast & Collingwood. With our draw, you probably wouldn't even make the 8.

Sydney have only lost to two teams in the top eight, they also have both Hawthorn and Geelong in their final three games which will determine if they get a top two spot. If they beat Hawthorn again, and/or Geelong at Simmonds how can you honestly say they don't deserve that top two spot?

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Lol @ people using playing port twice as a reason for our soft draw.

Yeah, because we never play Port twice any other year do we?

 

[Cap]

Do you think Adelaide is a better team than Hawthorn? Just a yes or no answer will suffice thank you.

yeah, nice loaded question.

just a yes no my arse, clearly it is a subjective answer which you are trying to simplfy down to a yes no answer in order to build a argument based on such stupidity.

so based on facts - yes they are, ladder wise they are above Hawthorn - being the ladder is the only measure we have, the Crows are a better team.

on subjective topics - forms, ability against legit top 4 sides, experience, mental weakness, well we could be here all day - lets just wait a few weeks and find out.

 

[woopedazz]

...rigging the draw to hell and back. No longer a sport.... the AFL have went out of their way to make it as uneven as possible. Would be a farce if Sydney or Adelaide won the flag this year.​

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Overreaction much?

 

[The Karma Bus]

Do you think Adelaide is a better team than Hawthorn? Just a yes or no answer will suffice thank you.

That question doesn't have a simple answer but you want it to so it fits your agenda.. Hawthorn are far more developed and experienced.. Hawthorn would be classed a better team but have dropped games that a so called much better team should win.. Which raises the question are they as good and consistent as some may think..
Don't get smashed by Richmond or lead the Swans at half time by a few goals and get smashed.. and then complain about draws and rubbish like that

If we are so shit, why are you worried that we will get top 2?

If you play us, you will wipe the floor with us yeah?

 

[Musrum]

Sydney are definitely where they should be ATM.

Adelaide might have a boost from the draw, but they would still be Top 4 without it.

So they might get a home final with an AFL assist. Looks like a karma payback to me.

 

[GoCROWS!]

Those crazy Vics- they mad. MM offended means we are close, the fear is strong.

 

[ziad]

an interesting season!!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

wait, this was the Fremantle that just demolished the WCE? - who went on to beat Geelong? and Geelong who had a pretty handy win against the Hawks the previous weeks?

Sure, throw Port, the Suns and GWS into the mix but there is no need to be a complete knob about it.

You can only go by last years ladder position when comparing draws, unless you are Nostradamus. Freo have only improved 2 ladder positions, by the way.

 

[vonn]

Hahahaha hawthorn supporters.

 

[Cap]

You can only go by last years ladder position when comparing draws, unless you are Nostradamus. Freo have only improved 2 ladder positions, by the way.

true, but it wasn't like those games were penned in for wins, especially the home game against Freo.

I can cop the 2 extra wins against the GWS and Suns (and maybe Port) but the wins against Freo and the win against Geelong were well deserved I would have thought.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

true, but it wasn't like those games were penned in for wins, especially the home game against Freo.

I can cop the 2 extra wins against the GWS and Suns (and maybe Port) but the wins against Freo and the win against Geelong were well deserved I would have thought.

Congrats on beating a team that didnt make the finals last year and is still not in the eight.

Those two you admit to extra wins puts you in the top four, with percentage boosted by about 5-7 pips. And thats not counting the Port one.

 

[TheRoo32]

Congrats on beating a team that didnt make the finals last year and is still not in the eight.

Those two extra wins puts you in the top four, with percentage boosted by about 5-7 pips

How are they extra wins? Your just assuming we would lose to whoever else we play...

 

[GoCROWS!]

Let's not forget we also won the NAB cup. Although NAB cup generally that doesn't mean much when you factor in another 5 wins at the start of the season it adds at least partially to the legitimacy of our ladder position. Top 4 is pretty even for mine, some teams have the wood over the others (Adelaide & Collingwood>Sydney, Collingwood > Adelaide etc..).

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

How are they extra wins? Your just assuming we would lose to whoever else we play...

Indeed I am. You play fewer games against top four teams and therefore wont be tested on that.

I am also assuming that just about any half decent team that would play six games against the three worst sides would win all of them.

 

[MisterMarcus]

What's it matter?

September will sort out the men from the boys.

Any team proclaiming themselves as "the best" should beat everyone else comfortably no matter where they finish on the ladder.

 

[Musrum]

Those two extra wins puts you in the top four, with percentage boosted by about 5-7 pips

It is really only one bonus game (the return match of GC or GWS) that is excessive. And of course looking at exposed form, whatever the alternate match-up might have been, they would still have a better than even chance to take home the 4 points.