2nds Swans Reserves 2019

[RW]

https://m.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2019-03-30/neafl-fresh-and-familiar-combine

I was intrigued to see how Thurlow went as I feel he’s the most obvious in, but pleasing to see youngsters like McCartin, Rowbottom and McLean obviously standing out.

I found this tidbit interesting:

The match saw Robbie Fox, James Rose and Jordan Dawson join Jack and Rowbottom at the centre bounce for a significant amount of time

Clearly the club is aware of the need to strengthen our midfield, as currently our only geniune inside midfielder is Kennedy.

Are they planning on reinventing Rose as an inside mid?? He might be a very poor man's Ryan O'Keefe, but it could be worth a try as at least he would add some size to the mids, and realistically he's unlikely to make it playing anywhere else at this point.

 

[caesar88]

I found this tidbit interesting:



Clearly the club is aware of the need to strengthen our midfield, as currently our only geniune inside midfielder is Kennedy.

Are they planning on reinventing Rose as an inside mid?? He might be a very poor man's Ryan O'Keefe, but it could be worth a try as at least he would add some size to the mids, and realistically he's unlikely to make it playing anywhere else at this point.

My issue with that is he cannot and does not seem willing to win a hard ball to save his life. If he can’t even make it as a forward where you can occasionally get away with the kind of FIGJAM crap he pulls, how on Earth would he make it as an on-baller?

Really needed Dawson to do more than just earn a mention as well. I didn’t see the game so I can’t say what his impact was but if he’s gonna be selected in the best 22, I think it’s gonna have to be on the back of a whole lot of stand-out NEAFL performances and by the sound of it today wasn’t one. I’d hate for him to just fall back in the chasing pack with Rose, Fox etc because IMO he’s a level above them.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I found this tidbit interesting:



Clearly the club is aware of the need to strengthen our midfield, as currently our only geniune inside midfielder is Kennedy.

Are they planning on reinventing Rose as an inside mid?? He might be a very poor man's Ryan O'Keefe, but it could be worth a try as at least he would add some size to the mids, and realistically he's unlikely to make it playing anywhere else at this point.

Mr RW, you are a great optimistic young fellow. I am sure James Rose if he ever read the above post would be thrilled to be likened as a very poor man's Ryan O'Keefe.

Good that Dawson got a run there. FFS could Mr Horse please note!

 

[TheMase]

I found this tidbit interesting:



Clearly the club is aware of the need to strengthen our midfield, as currently our only geniune inside midfielder is Kennedy.

Are they planning on reinventing Rose as an inside mid?? He might be a very poor man's Ryan O'Keefe, but it could be worth a try as at least he would add some size to the mids, and realistically he's unlikely to make it playing anywhere else at this point.

Rose played almost all last season as a midfielder in the NEAFL and was regularly on the inside.

 

[RW]

Mr RW, you are a great optimistic young fellow. I am sure James Rose if he ever read the above post would be thrilled to be likened as a very poor man's Ryan O'Keefe.

Good that Dawson got a run there. FFS could Mr Horse please note!

Yeah maybe I'm being a tad optimistic but there's always hope

 

[Mick Oxlong]

My issue with that is he cannot and does not seem willing to win a hard ball to save his life. If he can’t even make it as a forward where you can occasionally get away with the kind of FIGJAM crap he pulls, how on Earth would he make it as an on-baller?

Really needed Dawson to do more than just earn a mention as well. I didn’t see the game so I can’t say what his impact was but if he’s gonna be selected in the best 22, I think it’s gonna have to be on the back of a whole lot of stand-out NEAFL performances and by the sound of it today wasn’t one. I’d hate for him to just fall back in the chasing pack with Rose, Fox etc because IMO he’s a level above them.

FIGJAM? I’ve met the kid, he’s absolutely nothing like that!

 

[caesar88]

FIGJAM? I’ve met the kid, he’s absolutely nothing like that!

I’ve met him too and he’s a great fella, very humble. On the field though he is as FIGJAM as you get.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

I’ve met him too and he’s a great fella, very humble. On the field though he is as FIGJAM as you get.

That is nonsense, who in their right mind is FIGJAM when they play 2’s? Nathan Buckley was FIGJAM, James Rose is just a kid trying to break into the senior side!

 

[grimlock]

Plenty of players get a run in the middle at NEAFL level that would never dream of playing there at AFL level. Wouldn’t read too much into it.

 

[Blood red]

That is nonsense, who in their right mind is FIGJAM when they play 2’s? Nathan Buckley was FIGJAM, James Rose is just a kid trying to break into the senior side!

Absolute FIGJAM!
That's why he only plays in the 2nds.
Talented, but just too arrogant to look at options that are logical because he wants the big play every time.
I just can't see him remaining a Swan after 2019.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Rose is a conundrum. He was probably the last player on the list to be re-contracted. I think the penny dropped with him last year and from the Ressies games I watched I saw a much more committed approach to defence.

There is no doubt he possesses a lot of talent. Equally he sometimes stuffs up when he over reaches. I can readily see why so many are frustrated with him.

I think he possesses a terrific but over active footy imagination that allows him in play to identify the most creative option that will benefit the team. Unfortunately the most creative option will often be the most difficult and require expression of the highest level of skill which is beyond him.

Last year he improved his defence and hopefully this year he learns to operate within but still test his limitations.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Absolute FIGJAM!
That's why he only plays in the 2nds.
Talented, but just too arrogant to look at options that are logical because he wants the big play every time.
I just can't see him remaining a Swan after 2019.

Pull your head out of your backside. He plays to win, he plays for us to win. You can’t see him remaining a Swan, well good for you but you probably couldn’t see that at the end of last year when his contract was up could you? He’s here now and he’s playing for a spot in the AFL!

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

He plays to win, he plays for us to win.

This. I have not met the young man but two mates have and both say he is a terrific young bloke. I think he reads the game better than most but just needs to rein in his tendency to try the too difficult. He certainly has the good skill set to be competitive in the seniors.

 

[caesar88]

Pull your head out of your backside. He plays to win, he plays for us to win. You can’t see him remaining a Swan, well good for you but you probably couldn’t see that at the end of last year when his contract was up could you? He’s here now and he’s playing for a spot in the AFL!

See I don’t think he does play to win, at least not from a team perspective. He bypasses the smaller, harder sacrifices to his game in order to get straight to the showboating he enjoys. Only he doesn’t have the skill to showboat at senior level because he realises it’s that much harder to do when under pressure. He’s the quintessential NEAFL superstar and I actually feel for him that we kept him on the list another year when he’s obviously just not made for an AFL career.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

See I don’t think he does play to win, at least not from a team perspective. He bypasses the smaller, harder sacrifices to his game in order to get straight to the showboating he enjoys. Only he doesn’t have the skill to showboat at senior level because he realises it’s that much harder to do when under pressure. He’s the quintessential NEAFL superstar and I actually feel for him that we kept him on the list another year when he’s obviously just not made for an AFL career.

Oh please, that is a load of crap!

 

[Jewelsbon]

See I don’t think he does play to win, at least not from a team perspective. He bypasses the smaller, harder sacrifices to his game in order to get straight to the showboating he enjoys. Only he doesn’t have the skill to showboat at senior level because he realises it’s that much harder to do when under pressure. He’s the quintessential NEAFL superstar and I actually feel for him that we kept him on the list another year when he’s obviously just not made for an AFL career.

Sorry Caesar, but you had a potshot at another poster for disliking a particular player and stated that you believed their judgement was clouded by their dislike, but that's exactly how you are with Rose, just as you are with Reid. I think Rose always plays his hardest and plays to win, I actually think his problem is that he tries to hard and thinks he's far more capable than he actually is and thinks by trying the "fantastic" option it's going to be the best for the team, even though it very rarely is.

 

[Kirkswan]

Mr RW, you are a great optimistic young fellow. I am sure James Rose if he ever read the above post would be thrilled to be likened as a very poor man's Ryan O'Keefe.

Good that Dawson got a run there. FFS could Mr Horse please note!

Are you seriously suggesting that he had not part in making it happen?

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Are you seriously suggesting that he had not part in making it happen?

Dawson has been dominant as a mid in the NEAFL and less so as a forward. I note he has not had the opportunity to play in the mids when playing seniors. Do you know for a fact that Horse had a 'part in making it happen'?

 

[caesar88]

Sorry Caesar, but you had a potshot at another poster for disliking a particular player and stated that you believed their judgement was clouded by their dislike, but that's exactly how you are with Rose, just as you are with Reid. I think Rose always plays his hardest and plays to win, I actually think his problem is that he tries to hard and thinks he's far more capable than he actually is and thinks by trying the "fantastic" option it's going to be the best for the team, even though it very rarely is.

At what point did I say I didn’t like Rose?

My judgment about Rose is clearly not clouded. He has played a handful of games in over 4 years on the list. For all of his supposed talent, why do you think that is? He clearly does not do enough of the little things that impress the coaches. It’s actually those minor team things that usually help bring players into the game. So, that explains why Rose struggles to get into games whenever he’s played at senior level. How is any of that clouded to you?

 

[caesar88]

Oh please, that is a load of crap!

Thorough.

 

[Jewelsbon]

At what point did I say I didn’t like Rose?

My judgment about Rose is clearly not clouded. He has played a handful of games in over 4 years on the list. For all of his supposed talent, why do you think that is? He clearly does not do enough of the little things that impress the coaches. It’s actually those minor team things that usually help bring players into the game. So, that explains why Rose struggles to get into games whenever he’s played at senior level. How is any of that clouded to you?

Sorry I didn't mean to get you angry, when reading your posts about Rose I feel I've read them all before but with the name Reid inserted instead of Rose, that's how I got the sense that you disliked him. He must do something to impress the coaches, otherwise I'm sure he would have been delisted at the end of last year.
I'm not his biggest fan by any stretch and I thought he was gone last year also, nor do I understand why he was retained when the likes of Robinson and Towers were let go, but I don't think he showboats and I do think he gives it his all - his all just ain't that great unfortunately, but as I said, there must be a reason he was retained and the others weren't.
Just my personal thoughts on him anyway.

 

[caesar88]

Sorry I didn't mean to get you angry, when reading your posts about Rose I feel I've read them all before but with the name Reid inserted instead of Rose, that's how I got the sense that you disliked him. He must do something to impress the coaches, otherwise I'm sure he would have been delisted at the end of last year.
I'm not his biggest fan by any stretch and I thought he was gone last year also, nor do I understand why he was retained when the likes of Robinson and Towers were let go, but I don't think he showboats and I do think he gives it his all - his all just ain't that great unfortunately, but as I said, there must be a reason he was retained and the others weren't.
Just my personal thoughts on him anyway.

Not angry at all. If you get a similar vibe from my posts about Rose and Reid it’s because my qualms with them are similar. If they showed more effort and applied themselves better, their natural talents would come through more. I think you actually make the game harder for yourself by coasting and expecting things to roll your way, which is what I think both Reid and Rose do a lot. Like the old saying goes, you make your own luck. They’re just my thoughts FWIW.

 

[Jewelsbon]

Not angry at all. If you get a similar vibe from my posts about Rose and Reid it’s because my qualms with them are similar. If they showed more effort and applied themselves better, their natural talents would come through more. I think you actually make the game harder for yourself by coasting and expecting things to roll your way, which is what I think both Reid and Rose do a lot. Like the old saying goes, you make your own luck. They’re just my thoughts FWIW.

Now on that we are in complete agreement

 

[Kirkswan]

Dawson has been dominant as a mid in the NEAFL and less so as a forward. I note he has not had the opportunity to play in the mids when playing seniors. Do you know for a fact that Horse had a 'part in making it happen'?

Nope I don't... but isn't John Head Coach? Wouldn't you expect that he has overview of all decisions? As I have said before, I have never played or coached AFL, so I really don't KNOW anything, unless I can find evidence. I was asking a serious question.

Given that John is Head Coach, I would have thought that he had overview of all decisions made at any level within the squad. That's not to say he micro-manages them, just a final tick so to speak. It's my understanding that the squad exists to fill the seniors team and prepare back up players to play in case of injury or poor form to one of the seniors players. So then, I would think that he would be involved in what we do with the youngsters... even keeping a quiet eye on the promising academy players.

Don't you think it would be something like this?

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Nope I don't... but isn't John Head Coach? Wouldn't you expect that he has overview of all decisions? As I have said before, I have never played or coached AFL, so I really don't KNOW anything, unless I can find evidence. I was asking a serious question.

Given that John is Head Coach, I would have thought that he had overview of all decisions made at any level within the squad. That's not to say he micro-manages them, just a final tick so to speak. It's my understanding that the squad exists to fill the seniors team and prepare back up players to play in case of injury or poor form to one of the seniors players. So then, I would think that he would be involved in what we do with the youngsters... even keeping a quiet eye on the promising academy players.

Don't you think it would be something like this?

Yes! Yes! Yes! The buck stops with the Senior Coach, not the assistants.