Team Mgmt. Talk about the makeup of our list - midfield balance, height profile, endurance runners

[Lore]

That's mean.

I mean pure defensive mids are relatively rare for most teams I think so maybe it's not that unusual we don't have one.

Melksham tagged once or twice I think?

But yeah I don’t think really anyone does a full time tagger anymore. And having smaller playing lists and the 6-6-6 rule certainly doesn’t make it more likely.

 

[bombreys]

Big week for Truck at the selection table.

Averaging 7 goal losses for the last 3 games - and I believe has only dropped one player (a 19 year old first gamer) in that time.

Time to start actually playing these kids we’ve drafted, instead of throwing the same s*** out there week after week.

Not sure why some insinuate we’re super young either - we’re not.

 

[yodellinhank]

Peverill?

 

[yodellinhank]

Welsh, McVeigh

 

[boncer34]

Big week for Truck at the selection table.

Averaging 7 goal losses for the last 3 games - and I believe has only dropped one player (a 19 year old first gamer) in that time.

Time to start actually playing these kids we’ve drafted, instead of throwing the same s*** out there week after week.

Not sure why some insinuate we’re super young either - we’re not.

Only Adelaide fielded a younger 22 then we did.

 

[boncer34]

Peverill?

Good shout.

Welsh, McVeigh

As pure defensive mids?

Nah.

 

[yodellinhank]

Good shout.

As pure defensive mids?

Nah.

Dunnybrush.

 

[bombreys]

Only Adelaide fielded a younger 22 then we did.

Round 2? I read both Hawks and Blues were younger

 

[boncer34]

Round 2? I read both Hawks and Blues were younger

I'm using AFL Tables and they're both older. Where are you reading?

 

[BrunoV]

Rutten said himself he is keen to develop someone to add that capability to the side.
It's not being ignored, they didn't have a player they felt could do the job on the weekend that would provide a benefit to the team without taking more away from it.

Don't mistake not wanting to talk publicly about tactics as we don't have any. This is a fraternity that clings to naming a player only to then rule them out to eat up as much opposition time as they can. They ain't going to discuss actual tactics in public.

He has said they would like to have a player to do that, but we are a developing side and as it currently stands we are still finding which players are going to be a part of our best 22.
They have used Langford in the role previously, they have used stringer in a role where they sit him on the opposition best player at stoppages and then a handover occurs around the ground.

They do things, what has undoubtedly occured is they didn't have someone that they regularly turn to in the role in the best 22 on the weekend, they discussed doing something about Neale, it wasn't missed or not understood, they decided that they had the best chance of scoring was from stoppage so they wanted to be as attacking as they could be.

They didn't have a move to make on the weekend because we don't have a player like that on the side.
Shock horror a developing not top 4 side in the league is missing pieces and not complete yet.
Are we hanging the 2nd year coach for this?

And at the end of the day restricting Neale from having 41 and limiting him to 30 doesn't help us win the game.
We lost because we couldn't kick straight, our skills were shit and we made dumb mistakes (on top of Neale carving them up).

It's not just Rutten.

Almost all the coaches say the same thing. They all arrive at the same conclusion not to stop the player who they then vote for in coaches votes. Granted you probably can't stop Danger but Neale? Please.

That to me is the amusing thing. They're basically all doing the same thing but talking about it somehow going to make the side uncompetitive.

That Jennings told us what each side was doing last year.

 

[faible]

So what's the plan?

Rutten told you it.

It’s not anyone else’s fault you refuse to accept what Rutten said and realise that it’s a process that takes time and won’t happen RIGHT NOW like you want.

 

[Yoda_]

No point having all of Mcgrath, Zerrett, Parish, Caldwell, Hobbs, Shiel along with another inside midfielder all in the same side. They dont all fit.

This isnt even considering Strigner or Perkins. Who yes have ability to play more forward but are probably more crucial in the middle right now in stringers case and in 12 months time Perkins case

Ie: If were targetting Brayshaw its as a wingman or we see Stringer mainly a forward

We did beat brisbane on expected scores. We just couldnt kick straight. We shouldve had the game dusted at quarter time

Imo a half back is starting to become important.

Hinds over rated. Heppells close to the end if not already there from what ive seen. Can Nik Cox sort out his kicking to become a half back or release Ridley/Redman into the role. Do we just play McGrath there

I was thinking about this yesterday.

We literally are stuck with this fleet (full pun intended as observation to our short, slow inside midfield group) or we try to balance it out by moving one on.

Like, this is it for the next 3-5 years. ****. My. Life


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[Red Black and Blue]

I'm using AFL Tables and they're both older. Where are you reading?

From Footywire Hawks and Freo were too. Not that it matters, we are only 4 months younger than Melbourne. Being slightly younger doesn't mean much when the likes of Ham and Guelfi are bringing the average down but aren't going to be part of the future.

 

[Lore]

As a list overall we are 14th for age (24.0 years) and 16th for experience (54.3 games). We drop to last for experience if Hurley’s 193 games aren’t counted… (though other clubs surely have experienced players inflating their numbers too).

Melbourne are 8th (24.5) and 6th (71.4). That means that on average their entire list is six months older and has a season more games under their belt, right down to the 45th player on the list.

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** unsurprisingly Geelong is the most experienced, their players average 96.6 games each

While that doesn’t tell you the age and experience of who exactly is playing on Friday, it does tell you something about the list’s depth and ability to ride out injuries.

I think it’s also more interesting to compare on a line by line basis than overall, given that Draper is giving up a lot more experience to Gawn than Parish is to Oliver. The individual match ups are fascinating on that point.

 

[BrunoV]

I was thinking about this yesterday.

We literally are stuck with this fleet (full pun intended as observation to our short, slow inside midfield group) or we try to balance it out by moving one on.

Like, this is it for the next 3-5 years. fu**. My. Life


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This is the story of footy clubs.

Get the balance of the senior/annointed players wrong or have them play for themselves (I understand this is a criticism of the Saints of the 90s and Dogs of the 90s to 00s who had really highly regarded top 7 or so players) and you're basically screwed.

The problem is these players are never changed (i.e.traded) and are almost never asked to change. They get all of the freedom to play stat footy and rest is history.

I mentioned Blight at Adelaide in another thread on a similar issue. My understanding is that his agreement to coach was contingent on moving on the 4 of the most senior players.

Lyon brutalised Dal Santo, Ball and someone else at St Kilda. That's probably the only other example that jumps out at me.

 

[ant555]

Shiel 29
Stringer 27
Langford 25

Did Voss or Hobbs play run with on the weekend?

They used Sheil to block at the centre bounces against Geelong . Problem was we could not pick up the ball or hit to our advantage.

Pretty sure the narrative is about the midfield group developing the mindset.

You can work on developing the defensive actions of the midfield group.

There is one player who they have used as a regular extra at the contest / defensive player and that is Snelling.

Who really cares how old they are as long as they are working on something.

 

[ant555]

Okay.

We say we are in a development phase, but the players we are supposedly developing with are 25 years old at the youngest. On the basis of that, the club is clearly f’ed.

We've been through clean air and chemistry, and moved on to the rebuild that isn't. Essendon supporters say the darndest things.

So you can not rebuild unless they they are all under 22 ?
Yeah right.
No player has ever learnt to play a different role after he has turned 23 and you can not rebuild with players who may have 5 years left rather than 9 .

 

[ghostdog]

Truck seems more likely to do it than the previous guy which is interesting. Although given the attitude of the previous guy it’s not totally surprising that we don’t really have anyone trained for it, to know when to shut down and more importantly when to run off and have an impact yourself. It’s not likely to be a priority when building a new system and bringing in a lot of new faces or new roles for old faces.

I think we have used them a little over the last couple of years though. Ambrose on Fyfe comes to mind, which was bizarre since he doesn’t belong in the midfield. In that case they tried to break the tag by putting Fyfe forward, but of course Ambrose was a defender by that point and it suited him nicely.

The other side of it isn’t just tagging, it’s also being able to break the tag. Neale wouldn’t be as much of an issue if Merrett was still having the impact he had in the first quarter.

I think in the past Merrett would go to someone when he was being tagged and cause a 2v1 since the tagger would stay with him, and at least let someone else off the chain. Also seen him run through protected zone and causing the tagger to give away 50m, although I think the opponent is allowed to follow now which is dumb.

We'll probably never know, but the way Truck expressed his opinion about tagging the other night makes the experimentation with Clarke when Worsfold was in charge all the more strange.

What point was being made by bringing him in and winning games on the back of his run-with role, and Ambrose's for that matter, only to then drop them?
How was any point made at all given we were winning?

 

[ant555]

We'll probably never know, but the way Truck expressed his opinion about tagging the other night makes the experimentation with Clarke when Worsfold was in charge all the more strange.

What point was being made by bringing him in and winning games on the back of his run-with role, and Ambrose's for that matter, only to then drop them?
How was any point made at all given we were winning?

Everyone seems to forget that Clarke form declined and one his last midfield game he went at 25% effectively . They tried twice to give him a role in the side but as was the case on Saturday you can not carry too many skill errors.

Ambrose was a specific role on a player who played forward/ midfield. He never actually tagged or ran with a midfielder all game.

It is not just an Essendon issue. It is league wide . Coaches back their own midfield to be good enough to win the footy and have someone able to do a bit of defensive work at stoppages.
Sheil blocked against Geelong at times but we did not take advantage of it.

Sides are not going to tag anytime soon. We just have to get better at certain aspects of the stoppage work and our team zone defence to eliminate as much easy run as we can.

At the end of the day if you kick most of your set shots and can actually hit a target by hand then you win the game.

 

[yodellinhank]

Rutten told you it.

It’s not anyone else’s fault you refuse to accept what Rutten said and realise that it’s a process that takes time and won’t happen RIGHT NOW like you want.

Oh, so he'd like to develop a player in that role but right now he isn't developing a player in that role?

 

[yodellinhank]

They used Sheil to block at the centre bounces against Geelong . Problem was we could not pick up the ball or hit to our advantage.

Pretty sure the narrative is about the midfield group developing the mindset.

You can work on developing the defensive actions of the midfield group.

There is one player who they have used as a regular extra at the contest / defensive player and that is Snelling.

Who really cares how old they are as long as they are working on something.

It matters how old they are because the discussion is what we're building for the future. It's all very well to say this isn't our year we're a developing side, so let's focus on that development.

Shiel is not the future, though he did cost it.

 

[faible]

Oh, so he'd like to develop a player in that role but right now he isn't developing a player in that role?

You're an impatient child who wants everything RIGHT NOW or will sook about it. We get it.

 

[yodellinhank]

You're an impatient child who wants everything RIGHT NOW or will sook about it. We get it.

This is going to be a fun rebuild. Tell me when we start.

 

[faible]

This is going to be a fun rebuild. Tell me when we start.

 

[Mercurial89]

This is going to be a fun rebuild. Tell me when we start.

Genuine question - has the club brought you any joy lately?