Tarrant looks like hes an Eagle in 2007

[Gunnar Longshanks]

So considering how good this draft is your offer is comparable to these trades and Tarrant has as i suggested in my previous post

So what would you be prepared to give up for Tarrant?

 

[Bestbird]

So what would you be prepared to give up for Tarrant?

I'm not really sure if Tarrant is the type of player that is required at WCE

But something like an early to mid 2nd rounder and Rosa would be around the mark

Or possibly Gardiner, Rosa and our 2 round pick if the Pies were prepared to take a risk with Gardiner which they might be tempted to do considering they ranked 16th for hitouts this year (from memory)

 

[MarkT]

considering they ranked 16th for hitouts this year (from memory)

Now you are starting to get the heart of the issue. Ordinary in the ruck and midfield and Tarrant was still part of a very high scoring forward set up. Tarrant and Rocca written off as duds. How does it all work?

Keep the forwards, get a ruckman and a midfield and the whole complexion changes dramatically.

PS If I though Gardiner was still a ruckman I would definately take the punt on him but I doubt his body can ruck any more.

 

[hawker5]

This is so bloody funny - some in here demanding sources and then others saying you can not make any deal until trade week.

I seem to remember some others things from the past that seem to support the concept of players being approaced by other clubs before trade week including Shane Crawford and Joel Smith both being approached by Collingwood before the start of trade week (and the best part is that both of the players above admitted that Collingwood had approached them but they both said thank but no).

Also after the debacle of last year with the Hay trade I seem to remember that the AFL agreed to lighten up and would allow clubs to approach players that could be recruited before trade week for open discussion. From their if the player agreed to be traded then the club would contact the players club abd open dialogue. Although a trade could not be finalised all clubs could agree to an in pricipal agreement which could then be finalised with the first day of the trade period. My only concern with this however was that if the press found about the in principal deal then another club who also want the same player could approach the original club and out bid the deal.

Both Wet Toast supporters and Colliwobble supporters shoudl relax

 

[Murray]

Source??


sure you do, bob, sure you do.

what do your 8-10 mates think of this? id hate to think you'd be letting them down.

Geez man how many alias's do you have.
Let's see
You are Paddywackers, Awful Truth, Postman Pat, Yellowbelly ??? and you also sign in, as as your sister nicky too.

You see dopey, when I PM people or answer a PM, I use a different name for different boards.

Now how do you feel?

 

[Dusky]

Tarrant and Hansen running around the 50 and feeding Big Lynchy, or going over the top at goal... doesn't sound too bad at all

 

[Bestbird]

Now you are starting to get the heart of the issue. Ordinary in the ruck and midfield and Tarrant was still part of a very high scoring forward set up. Tarrant and Rocca written off as duds. How does it all work?

Keep the forwards, get a ruckman and a midfield and the whole complexion changes dramatically.

PS If I though Gardiner was still a ruckman I would definately take the punt on him but I doubt his body can ruck any more.

OK

Keep Tarrant then

Good luck trying to trade for a bonafide ruckman this year though

BTW

If the Pies did have a gun midfield teams would tend to drop numbers into defense more often thus denying Tarrant the space he needs to work in.

 

[HFF]

OK

Keep Tarrant then

Good luck trying to trade for a bonafide ruckman this year though

BTW

If the Pies did have a gun midfield teams would tend to drop numbers into defense more often thus denying Tarrant the space he needs to work in.

dont know about that- as you can see we lack leg speed through the middle of the ground meaning opposition have time to close down the space of our forwards. If we managed to find some leg speed and pace we can move ball quicker with more precise skill such as sydney's forwards who always seem to have the entire 50m arc to themselves. We would become more potent in attack with a way faster and classier midfield and the service will be alot better than what it has been over the last few years.

Don't wanna see Taz go- important part of our attacking set-up and would benefit enormously from a better midfield like the wce but i wouldn't trade him period. If they did end up trading him however, i would at least demand a 1st rnd pick and rosa.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

BTW

If the Pies did have a gun midfield teams would tend to drop numbers into defense more often thus denying Tarrant the space he needs to work in.

Everybody at Collingwood knows that. Thats why we want a gun midfielder or a decent pick in return for him. If we trade Tarrant, who as you admit is restricted by an ordinary midfield, it will be for quality, or not at all.

Give Tarrant a midfield of Cousins Kerr Embley Braun Selwood Nicoski and Judd, alongside two talented young talls, and you'll be unbeatable.

 

[ablettjnr]

Give Tarrant a midfield of Cousins Kerr Embley Braun Selwood and Judd, alongside two talented young talls, and you'll be unbeatable.

You could give that to Matt McCarthey and be unbeatable..

 

[trueblue_91]

You could give that to Matt McCarthey and be unbeatable..

So what would Fevola, Loyd, pav, J Brown and Hall be

 

[ablettjnr]

So what would Fevola, Loyd, pav, J Brown and Hall be

Crowded.

 

[Bestbird]

dont know about that- as you can see we lack leg speed through the middle of the ground meaning opposition have time to close down the space of our forwards. If we managed to find some leg speed and pace we can move ball quicker with more precise skill such as sydney's forwards who always seem to have the entire 50m arc to themselves. We would become more potent in attack with a way faster and classier midfield and the service will be alot better than what it has been over the last few years.

Don't wanna see Taz go- important part of our attacking set-up and would benefit enormously from a better midfield like the wce but i wouldn't trade him period. If they did end up trading him however, i would at least demand a 1st rnd pick and rosa.

The point i was making is that because of West Coasts midfield. Opposition teams regularly set up with an 8 man or more defence. You can have as much leg speed as you want in the midfield but there will still be a congested forward line in regards to opposition defenders.

 

[trueblue_91]

Crowded.

hahaha

but seriosuly any forward that can kick straight will kick 5+ every game at WC. I wonder how well lynch would do in another team

 

[MarkT]

Keep Tarrant then

Good luck trying to trade for a bonafide ruckman this year though

I doubt we can unless we take Everit but that is risky as well and I suspect the trade price will be too high. I think we have made our ruck bed and now have to lie in it for a while. If we are lucky we might get an opportunity starved 21 year old ready to make a leap but it would be swing and hope. That’s why I want to concentrate on the midfield and to that end I would consider a trade of Tarrant for making strong inroads into that.

If the Pies did have a gun midfield teams would tend to drop numbers into defense more often thus denying Tarrant the space he needs to work in.

On the contrary the ball would come in quicker and with more quality. As it is his space is always filled and he is always double teamed. That's why a fit Rocca becomes so important. As I said, Collingwood scored heavily in 2006 with slow and inaccurate ball movement. A few hitting Tarrant on the chest would make the world of difference. The odd quick clearance to one on ones from the centre square would likewise make the world of difference.

What annoys me and why I am not confident we can fix our midfield quickly is that our deficiencies have been apparent since we lost 2 grand finals and we have made no headway into improving them. Again, that is why I’d contemplate trading Tarrant for a good price. I don’t trust our footy department to draft and trade lower profile players for the right players. We don’t seem to be able to identify the midfield players with real upside. I am buoyant about Thomas and Pendlebury but they were picks 2 and 5 after all.

 

[MarkT]

If we managed to find some leg speed and pace we can move ball quicker with more precise skill

And through the middle instead of through O’Bree/Lockyer junction in row AA.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

but seriosuly any forward that can kick straight will kick 5+ every game at WC. I wonder how well lynch would do in another team

Er - are you suggesting that Lynch can't kick straight?

I'd back his set shot kicking over most players'. Craps all over guys like Tarrant and Richo from set shots.

People bar up over our midfield and say "anyone could a bag with that service", but if you actually paid attention to WC games, you'd find that our delivery I50 is often incredibly shabby.

Guys like Kerr, Cousins and Judd can hit targets, but a lot of the ball going I50 comes from other players who aren't nearly as efficient.

Don't be fooled by the fact that our midfield wins a lot of ball. Often, the way we send it I50 is nothing special.

 

[HFF]

"What annoys me and why I am not confident we can fix our midfield quickly is that our deficiencies have been apparent since we lost 2 grand finals and we have made no headway into improving them. Again, that is why I’d contemplate trading Tarrant for a good price. I don’t trust our footy department to draft and trade lower profile players for the right players. We don’t seem to be able to identify the midfield players with real upside. I am buoyant about Thomas and Pendlebury but they were picks 2 and 5 after all."

Where's the faith in the kids we have drafted in the last 2 yrs?????
Egan, rusling, cloke, davies, thomas, pendlebury, o'brien, stanley, cook, anthony, iles, nicholls, toovey, cox- all of whom hav big raps and are our core group of youngsters (not including this year's draft) that will lead us into the future. Aside from probably iacobucci, (who is in doubt) i think we have drafted exceptionally well last 2 yrs and its all thanks to our differing recruiting methods- leaving no stone unturned. Add Scott Reed in the next couple of years and Martin Clarke this year and i think we are identifying some pretty raw talent if you ask me. Just need to give our boys time just like every other club before us did to rebuild there mdifield. It's not worth trading Taz to get some picks- he is only 25 and very important player to our team. We are well placed in this years draft considering we finished 5th (7th after finals) and mind you it was done with a team of 'tortoises' in the midfield. Kids will come through and carry us just wait and see.

 

[Tim_#8]

Collingwood is a highly sought after inner city suburb.

Norlane makes Sunshine look like a Mensa conference!

hahah i agree norlane is pretty scmmy but i went to collingwood yesterday and jeez i tell ya there is some very intersting ppl there. After having 3 diffrent people ask me for money i went past a group of 3 gentemen who at 10.30 in the morning were already drinking and tryed to convince me that i should hav a VB can in my hand instead of the Big M i was drinking. So i dont think you can start paying out norlane.

 

[zero]

rosa and our first pick are probably the closest we have come in this thread to picking a fair trade, both sides look at it and feel a bit ripped off, but not too bad. thats usually a sign of a fair trade.

i guess the sticking point for the eagles is whether the eagles can give up their first pick, and that will depend on the recruitment staff and the list management.

we do have morton, hurn, le cras and priddis to work their way into the side over the next few years, along with sampi and armstrong still pressing. hurn and morton were both very very highly rated as juniors (top 10ers). we can probably go without a top pick for a year. we have only 2 significant retirements in the next couple of years, so trading for an older player might be the go.

i dont know, if the recruitment staff reckon there is going to be a couple of real guns slip down there, then its no. if they reckon its all much of a muchness at that stage and we can get a good pick or two out past 30, then lets go.

for collingwood, it seams like similar decisions need to be made. what do they think 15 will get? how does that change their pick 10 and 24. is it even worth it to chase hard for 15 when they can get what they need from the other two?

and rosa, hes an archetype of the modern day footballer, hes pretty quick, finds alot of the ball, and has unbelievable endurance. hes also pretty consistent for a 19 year old too. hes a rising star nominee, and with good cause. plus hes a victorian.

if i thought MM would be at all interested in gardy, id throw him in to really sweeten it further (hes worthless to us) and make it a fine deal for collingwood, but MM has said that he and gardy dont like each other, so i doubt it would help at all.

i dont know....i guess losing our first two picks is better than pick one and rosa, so if we can get that we should.

i read alot about the juniors coming through this year, and some of them sound utterly amazing. id hoped that west coast and freo would be waiting just outside the top 10 to pounce on anything awesome that falls through....i was hoping that we might use guys like gardiner and polak to trade up into the late top 10.

 

[Scotland]

I don't see Tarrant as a knight in shining armour to the West Coast goalkicking cause, but he's not terrible, and would be worth a look all the same.

For mine, Rosa and our first round pick (15/16) is too much. Given this is an alleged 'superdraft', and we have taken Waters at 11, Butler at 20 and Hurn at 11 in prior drafts, I'd back our recruiters to take someone good with 15/16. Rosa and our second round pick (33/34) is the maximum I would give up for Tarrant. Given we took Selwood with a 37 and Hansen with a 38, our record with later picks has been good also.

Rosa + 2nd round, I doubt the Pies would take that.
Rosa + 1st round?
Rosa + 2nd round + on-traded 3rd/4th round pick (gained for Gardiner)?
1st round + 2nd round?
Any other suggestions? Waters/Butler/Nicoski/Selwood are off limits.

 

[Tas]

Er - are you suggesting that Lynch can't kick straight?

I'd back his set shot kicking over most players'. Craps all over guys like Tarrant and Richo from set shots.

People bar up over our midfield and say "anyone could a bag with that service", but if you actually paid attention to WC games, you'd find that our delivery I50 is often incredibly shabby.

Guys like Kerr, Cousins and Judd can hit targets, but a lot of the ball going I50 comes from other players who aren't nearly as efficient.

Don't be fooled by the fact that our midfield wins a lot of ball. Often, the way we send it I50 is nothing special.

lol

Yeah, because last week I didn't see Judd and Cousins continually kicking the ball down Lynch's throat.

If you want to look at shabby inside 50s, get a North Melbourne 2006 lowlights package.

 

[thecoastingcoaster]

lol

Yeah, because last week I didn't see Judd and Cousins continually kicking the ball down Lynch's throat.

If you want to look at shabby inside 50s, get a North Melbourne 2006 lowlights package.

You obviously didn't watch the game.

The ball was bombed in to Lynch in the first half and he constantley had to contend with 5 players, which is kind of difficult.

Why Eagles would want Tarrant, when Hunter is far better, has got me buggered.

 

[HFF]

I don't see Tarrant as a knight in shining armour to the West Coast goalkicking cause, but he's not terrible, and would be worth a look all the same.

For mine, Rosa and our first round pick (15/16) is too much. Given this is an alleged 'superdraft', and we have taken Waters at 11, Butler at 20 and Hurn at 11 in prior drafts, I'd back our recruiters to take someone good with 15/16. Rosa and our second round pick (33/34) is the maximum I would give up for Tarrant. Given we took Selwood with a 37 and Hansen with a 38, our record with later picks has been good also.

Rosa + 2nd round, I doubt the Pies would take that.
Rosa + 1st round?
Rosa + 2nd round + on-traded 3rd/4th round pick (gained for Gardiner)?
1st round + 2nd round?
Any other suggestions? Waters/Butler/Nicoski/Selwood are off limits.

personally i dont wanna see Taz go but if they do a deal it would have to involve a 1st rnd pick and a player. As i mentioned earlier i thought pick 15/16 and a player like rosa is fair- he is a victorian after all and a young midfielder so this would probably be the only way we would deal. The 1st rnd pick would have to be included otherwise he'll be donning the black n white again next yr which is fine by me and i think by most collingwood supporters.

 

[JLC]

personally i dont wanna see Taz go but if they do a deal it would have to involve a 1st rnd pick and a player. As i mentioned earlier i thought pick 15/16 and a player like rosa is fair- he is a victorian after all and a young midfielder so this would probably be the only way we would deal. The 1st rnd pick would have to be included otherwise he'll be donning the black n white again next yr which is fine by me and i think by most collingwood supporters.

Thats the problem the WCE are calling the shots.

No deal.

jlc