NO TROLLS Taylor Walker racial slur

[mistylake]

When I reflect back on my life and the things I used to say because thats what we did back then, to say that racism is un Australian suggests that you have no idea of how "whitey" has acted in the past. Racism has been part of the Australian landscape for years. We have often told jokes about "abos" that reflected poorly on them. We have often referred to aboriginals in the same manner that Tex expressed. We have been a nation of racists and we still are.

We also had a total lack of understanding about what the Jews went through and similarly, years ago, we would tell jokes about the Jews and had a good laugh at their expense. But when you learn more about what they went through and visit some of the Jewish Cultural Exhibitions (fantastic exhibition in Washington) you start to reflect on your thoughts and comments that you made when you were young. Today most people have changed their attitudes towards the Jews.

I personally think, we are changing our attitude but its hard to change something that was drummed into you as a kid. I sure that Tex's comment came from the things that were said back in country Broken Hill when he was young and the expectations from his peers that he would say the same things. As each generation moves through society so too will our attitude towards racism change. But means it will be a slow process.

Its bloody hard to force change. It wont happen over night but it will happen. (heard that before)

Tex is a hero to many young people. They respect and admire him. He's not perfect and not eloquent. Hes a bit rough around the edges but its that larrikinism that makes him likeable. He could be the "white man" to help make a real change in our (Aussie Rules fan's) attitude to how we treat our first generation, perhaps even more so than having an aboriginal trying to make us change. If Tex can stand up and try to educate us about racism I think a lot of people would listen. Imagine Tex and Eddie doing it together. The media would support them. They would get the exposure that is needed.

Yeah sure, get a guy that’s just called a guy a black campaigner to try lecture the entire country not to be racist.
Did you even think for one second how utterly stupid that suggestion is.
He’s the last guy I’d listen to.
Now if he said “don’t get caught saying it”. I’d possibly consider he’s got something to say.
We don’t need more manufactured corporate spin. Have some integrity.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

What’s your stand on a victim accepting an apology and trusting that the person apologizing is genuinely sorry ?

I think it shows great maturity and character

 

[John Who]

And the final lines are a direct spit in the face to Young.


I can’t be more clear – a victim should not be the one consoling the perpetrator, as we saw this week.

We would never allow that to occur in any other context.


And that last line is clearly wrong. It’s called forgiveness.

Honestly how do you think Robbie Young would feel reading comments like these?

I think the problem is that people are trying to frame it as “victim” (Young) and “villain” (Tex). The actual scenario was a little different, in that there was a racist remark not done to intentionally inflict pain on Young, but was said in the heat of the moment in a sporting setting.

Also, genuine abuse (racist, sexist etc.) is about the perpetual hate and intentional emotional hurt one causes another. An isolated incident in the “Tex vs Young” case is nowhere near the same level of abuse impact as a person who gets domestically beaten up daily or someone who is bullied at school/work/online daily. Some of these are true crimes with chronic psychological scars. In Tex’s case, time can likely heal, the damage unlikely irreversible.

 

[Golumless]

Does it really not bother you that a former captain and leader of our football club has said something that has the potential to create an incredibly toxic culture?

Don’t you want to see him take measures to win trust and prove that this was a horrible once off mistake and not a reflection of his character?

There are no guarantees we purged all of the cultural problems we created under Pyke/Burton and co. Nor this is a once off mistake.

I'm rather glad it was reported though. These kind of incidents could create a cascading effect if it is not properly dealt with, especially as someone near untouchable as Tex would be. Something I can't say I trust the club to do at this point, seeing we're not long removed (if we even are) from a rather self-destructive period.

 

[Crow till I die]

So with the media up and about covering this, just wanting to know now that walker has received his punishment for what he said, when will the collingwood football club be receiving their punishment for those who racially abused lamumba and others. Since there is now a defined penalty for racism that is AFL sanctioned i look forward to the media now turning their attention towards collingwood until everyone there guilty of racism also receives the AFL benchmark penalty.

We cant have racism and we most certainly cant have a 2 tiered justice system when it comes to punishing racism. We are watching you AFL and you know the collingwood footy club and certain people there are guilty of racism..now act

 

[Bam_Bam_Aus]

As gutted as I am about Tex, copping the Vic media pile on and this Port flog pouring on the petrol just pisses me off. None of them are wrong, but we just keep serving them up every opportunity to knock us down. It’s been a bad week to have footy players as heroes.

yeah, it’s a bit hard to take isn’t it. I thought Treadrea’s article came off as a bit opportunistic and now he just looks a bit like Cornes - someone who wouldn’t ever miss an opportunity to write a negative article about the club. An article written by someone lacking objectivity is the sort of thing the Herald Sun publishes. Once upon a time The Age would’ve placed a higher value on credibility.

 

[Crow till I die]

yeah, it’s a bit hard to take isn’t it. I thought Treadrea’s article came off as a bit opportunistic and now he just looks a bit like Cornes - someone who wouldn’t ever miss an opportunity to write a negative article about the club. An article written by someone lacking objectivity is the sort of thing the Herald Sun publishes. Once upon a time The Age would’ve placed a higher value on credibility.

Herald sun?..i would have said guardian was the first that springs to mind

 

[kittypurry]

I dont know why people keep going on about racism. its never going to go away and thats a fact.

yes, if you see someone being racist call them out. but seriously stop whinging about it all the time. you have two options. keep whinging about something you have no control over or move the fu** on. life is too short.

Drowning will never go away and that is a fact. Life guards need to stop whinging about water safety.
Sun cancer will never go away and that is a fact. Doctors need to stop whining about the important of sun safety in the playground.

That's what you sound like. The fact you think you are being rational is staggering.

 

[goyoucrows]

yeah, it’s a bit hard to take isn’t it. I thought Treadrea’s article came off as a bit opportunistic and now he just looks a bit like Cornes - someone who wouldn’t ever miss an opportunity to write a negative article about the club. An article written by someone lacking objectivity is the sort of thing the Herald Sun publishes. Once upon a time The Age would’ve placed a higher value on credibility.

Yeah we got our 1 article saying AFC handled it well. Now the onslaught of Tex with an AFC asterisk is the future.

With your port friends, I just bring up SPP and banana woman and ask if that was the clubs fault?

 

[subaru]

I think it shows great maturity and character

Exactly

 

[CH Jazz]

The 'heat of battle' bollocks cracks me up. Bloke was sitting on his arse watching footy for a good 30mins. Not participating in any way. Not 'in the battle', not getting hit, not getting niggled, not getting called names. Wandered out onto the field and decided to inset himself into a situation that had nothing to do with him and use the language that he did.

Matt was 'in the battle', are we sitting here talking about his racial slur?

 

[Geoffa32]

So with the media up and about covering this, just wanting to know now that walker has received his punishment for what he said, when will the collingwood football club be receiving their punishment for those who racially abused lamumba and others. Since there is now a defined penalty for racism that is AFL sanctioned i look forward to the media now turning their attention towards collingwood until everyone there guilty of racism also receives the AFL benchmark penalty.

We cant have racism and we most certainly cant have a 2 tiered justice system when it comes to punishing racism. We are watching you AFL and you know the collingwood footy club and certain people there are guilty of racism..now act

Did any media outlet approach Collingwood's sponsors?

Has any media outlet questioned how Eddie McGuire can still own JamTV, the company that produces all Crocmedia content?




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[radiojake]

The 'heat of battle' bollocks cracks me up. Bloke was sitting on his arse watching footy for a good 30mins. Not participating in any way. Not 'in the battle', not getting hit, not getting niggled, not getting called names. Wandered out onto the field and decided to inset himself into a situation that had nothing to do with him and use the language that he did.

Matt was 'in the battle', are we sitting here talking about his racial slur?

makes me think of that saying that goes something like "when the pressure is on we don't rise to the occasion, we revert to how we train"

a slur like that doesn't come from nowhere - i get mouthy when playing footy, and i let the umps know when i ain't happy, etc etc etc but i know in my heart of hearts that a slur like that will never come out because it's not apart of my lexicon in any conceivable manner

sadly for Tex, it is still a part of him

 

[subaru]

Drowning will never go away and that is a fact. Life guards need to stop whinging about water safety.
Sun cancer will never go away and that is a fact. Doctors need to stop whining about the important of sun safety in the playground.

That's what you sound like. The fact you think you are being rational is staggering.

Hardly the same is it
You can drown - and die
But we still go swimming
You can get cancer - and die - but we need vitamin D and we don’t want rickets

A verbal attack of any sort is still a verbal attack

 

[subaru]

The 'heat of battle' bollocks cracks me up. Bloke was sitting on his arse watching footy for a good 30mins. Not participating in any way. Not 'in the battle', not getting hit, not getting niggled, not getting called names. Wandered out onto the field and decided to inset himself into a situation that had nothing to do with him and use the language that he did.

Matt was 'in the battle', are we sitting here talking about his racial slur?

Do you know what was said to Matt ?????

 

[subaru]

yeah, it’s a bit hard to take isn’t it. I thought Treadrea’s article came off as a bit opportunistic and now he just looks a bit like Cornes - someone who wouldn’t ever miss an opportunity to write a negative article about the club. An article written by someone lacking objectivity is the sort of thing the Herald Sun publishes. Once upon a time The Age would’ve placed a higher value on credibility.

From you - a beacon of forgiveness

There are no guarantees we purged all of the cultural problems we created under Pyke/Burton and co. Nor this is a once off mistake.

I'm rather glad it was reported though. These kind of incidents could create a cascading effect if it is not properly dealt with, especially as someone near untouchable as Tex would be. Something I can't say I trust the club to do at this point, seeing we're not long removed (if we even are) from a rather self-destructive period.

draw a list
Column A
List the wrongdoings of the club and admin

Column B
List the wrongdoings of the players

Get back to me

 

[Soggy2112]

Do you know what was said to Matt ?????

****ing hell are you still barking up this tree, Tex admitted what was said was racist, why do you have a hard time accepting that?

 

[DJ75]

You know you are in trouble when Eddie is the one defending your racism!

Meanwhile, I nearly choked when Eddie said this:
Whether or not he should’ve got harsher penalties is by the by, but he has a life sentence from this now and so he should.

So he should? From Eddie? A person who has repeatedly been caught out for his racism and was President of a club that has admitted to being overtly racist during his leadership?? Where is Eddie's life sentence?

Talk about lack of self awareness!! Astonishing.

 

[Crow till I die]

You know you are in trouble when Eddie is the one defending your racism!

Meanwhile, I nearly choked when Eddie said this:
Whether or not he should’ve got harsher penalties is by the by, but he has a life sentence from this now and so he should.

So he should? From Eddie? A person who has repeatedly been caught out for his racism and was President of a club that has admitted to being overtly racist during his leadership - AND STILL NOT BEEN SANCTIONED AT ALL FOR IT?? Where is Eddie's life sentence?

Talk about lack of self awareness!! Astonishing.

FTFY

 

[subaru]

******* hell are you still barking up this tree, Tex admitted what was said was racist, why do you have a hard time accepting that?

What
Was
Said
To
Matt
Crouch

 

[BrissyCrow]

Yeah sure, get a guy that’s just called a guy a black campaigner to try lecture the entire country not to be racist.
Did you even think for one second how utterly stupid that suggestion is.
He’s the last guy I’d listen to.
Now if he said “don’t get caught saying it”. I’d possibly consider he’s got something to say.
We don’t need more manufactured corporate spin. Have some integrity.

I dont think its a stupid suggestion. Look back at people been caught driving drunk and possibly killing someone people. They have come back and started a crusade to create change,. Sometimes change doesnt come from those who were effected and it certainly doesnt come from people who do nothing. On many occasions it comes from the perpetrator who goes through a learning experience and can explain what he was like and why we need to change because they have experienced the shame and understand what damage they have cause. I wouldn't listen to Tex today or next week or next month but give him time to fully understand what he has done and how it effects people and over time yeah people will listen. He would be a great crusader.

 

[radiojake]

What
Was
Said
To
Matt
Crouch

Apparently
He
Said
"Smash
That
<insert colour>
Campaigner"

according to Bigfooty

 

[Bam_Bam_Aus]

From you - a beacon of forgiveness

Pardon? My comment was in relation to a lack of objectivity from certain members of the media. What am I required to forgive?

Are you salty for being called out?

 

[cmndstab]

But he is having a go at Young.

Saying the video is “rehearsed and staged” (like that’s a bad thing? Of course it would be)

Calling out the term “lean on you” as though it’s a bad thing, which Young was nodding along to and acknowledging.

So now after experiencing racism, he now has to deal with his peers writing articles saying his response isn’t doing enough to address it, reverting back to the authors mums experiencing completing a census? What’s Robbie’s responsibility to fight for this man’s mum?

And the final lines are a direct spit in the face to Young.


I can’t be more clear – a victim should not be the one consoling the perpetrator, as we saw this week.

We would never allow that to occur in any other context.


And that last line is clearly wrong. It’s called forgiveness.

Honestly how do you think Robbie Young would feel reading comments like these?

We are clearly reading this differently. I don't see how any of that is an attack on Young at all.

Yes, the video was rehearsed and staged. That's not attacking Young.

It was inappropriate for Walker to ask to lean on Young for support in the video. The fact that Young might be okay with it in this instance is besides the point. The point the article was making - quite well, I think - is that there is a culture of expecting victims to help guide their abusers towards redemption. This video perpetuated that. The article is not blaming Young for that, far from it. And it is entirely possible that Young felt pressured, either implicitly or explicitly, to appear like he was okay with it.

The article never once blamed Young for not doing enough to solve racism. That is just a bizarre reading of it.

And the final lines are not a direct spit in the face to Young at all. The point was clearly not that Young had erred by doing what he did, it was that he shouldn't have been put in a position where it was expected that he do so. And while analogies are usually poor fodder for an argument, this one was well made. If we accept that racism is abuse, then it is reasonable to compare this response to other kinds of abuse. It wouldn't be okay if someone who was sexually harrassed was given the burden of consoling their perpetrator, nor in the case of physical abuse. Why is it okay in the case of racial abuse?

There is a distinction between forgiveness, and consoling your perpetrator, especially right at the start of the healing process.

In any event, you can agree or disagree with the article, but it wasn't blaming Young for any of the video. Indeed, the point being made was that in so many cases, the victim is made to feel obligated to participate in their abuser's redemption - or else be seen as some kind of uppity, vindictive abuser themselves, just out to destroy some poor guy's life. In many cases, they are subsequently cast as being even worse than the person who did the abuse in the first place. Just look at the Goodes comments earlier in this thread.

 

[subaru]

Apparently
He
Said
"Smash
That
<insert colour>
Campaigner"

according to Bigfooty

What
Did
Young
Say
To
Matt
Crouch