thank god the port adelaide jumper issue is put to rest

[Pie eyed]

I'm happy that Port Power and Port Adelaide are now one entity and also happy for them to acknowledge their 1 AFL and 2 million SANFL Flags.

Just as Collingwood acknowledge their 2 AFL and 13 VFL flags.

You can never compare those traditions because for the most part they were etched in different competitions

They are really not for comparison but evidence of a long tradition and association with football at both clubs.
Reality is before Port Power entered the AFL I followed Port Adelaide in the SANFL with equal gusto as the mighty Collingwood Pies and both clubs have a long and successful association. The clubs histories are intertwined and I'm sure prior to entering the AFL many a Collingwood person barracked for the Port Magpie by association.

I'd be more than happy to see the Port Adelaide tradition become that of Port Power, and inevitably in time it will.

I have no problem with Port wearing a traditional Prison Bars jumper in rivalry or heritage rounds unless they happen to play Collingwood.

Arguments about flags won last century are for the pedants and hair-splitters.

 

[Scodog10]

But Port aren't a new franchise we are a club that moved competitions not too different than what occured to the established Victorian clubs when the VFL competition was disbanded to create the AFL in 1990.

I'm sorry but the VFL was never disbanded. August 19 1989 VFL chairman Ross Oakley announced that the VFL will be known as the AFL form the start of the 1990 season.

Then on March 20 1990 just before the commencement of the new season the Australian football league became the official name of the VFL after the rights to the AFL title were handed over by John Adams, a Director of West Coast at the time, who had registered them.

If the VFL were ever disbanded it would have meant that the clubs would have to apply to re-enter the new AFL competition and if that had have been the case clubs such as Footscray and Fitzroy would have folded at the time as the AFL would have required a registration fee similar to that paid by the Bears and Eagles when they entered the competition.

From 1990 onwards any flags won prior to the commencement of the AFL were referred to as VFL/ AFL flags, that is why Victorian teams still count VFL premierships.

 

[The_Wookie]

Gotta pull you up there. The two clubs that wear a dark/ navy blue that you could possibly have an issue with are actually older than yours. So if a club has the right to be snippy its Geelong, who Carlton chose to use the same colours as.

To answer the op this one club proposal does the complete opposite IMO, if anything it will spur them on to try even harder to wear the prison bars in AFL matches. I'm a little ticked off at the Collingwood supporter who started this thread as well. The issue has been done to death on here and all its done is bring all the Collingwood haters out of the woodwork.

Actually, that wasnt the point i was trying to make. I was simply saying that because one team uses black and white shouldnt have been a barrier to another team doing so. And other than a white logo, carlton remain navy blue (except for away matches when we wear white, and promo matches where we have worn light blue (m&ms) and yellow (something to do with lance armstrong). You cant OWN the colours.

And these issues will come up forever because of the "precious snowflake" attitudes undertaken by your club. It shames me that your club only made it because of Carlton generosity back in the VFA days.

 

[Dont be a lemon]

Hows does this news mean the "jumper issue is put to rest"?

 

[PieNSauce]

What I find so amusing about the whole discussion is not that Port Power supporters want to compare themselves to other clubs but the fact they seem to believe that they are somehow going to magically convince others that they are somehow better because of the history of their SANFL entity. I couldn't giv a fat rat's clacker that you believe you're better. That's you're problem but it's laughable that you'll try and convince me or anyone else.

 

[_Christoh_]

So simple. At that time it was called AFL and I believe Hawthorn won it. Any more questions Einstein?

So simple but so wrong. Try again here is a tip Hawthorn have a 1991 AFL Premiership but not a VFL one.

The VFL died mate it ceased to be, all gone, done with, left behind, expanded on but it did not exist, do you get it? Do you understand the difference between Victorian and Australian? You'll need help so here it is, one is a state and the other a nation.

There is a difference and the distinction must be made between AFL flags and VFL flags.

 

[_Christoh_]

I'm sorry but the VFL was never disbanded. August 19 1989 VFL chairman Ross Oakley announced that the VFL will be known as the AFL form the start of the 1990 season.

Then on March 20 1990 just before the commencement of the new season the Australian football league became the official name of the VFL after the rights to the AFL title were handed over by John Adams, a Director of West Coast at the time, who had registered them.

If the VFL were ever disbanded it would have meant that the clubs would have to apply to re-enter the new AFL competition and if that had have been the case clubs such as Footscray and Fitzroy would have folded at the time as the AFL would have required a registration fee similar to that paid by the Bears and Eagles when they entered the competition.

From 1990 onwards any flags won prior to the commencement of the AFL were referred to as VFL/ AFL flags, that is why Victorian teams still count VFL premierships.

Ididnt see VFL anywhere on the 2004 cup.

It wasnt the same competiton with new teams it was a different competition with the same teams.

 

[PieNSauce]

So simple but so wrong. Try again here is a tip Hawthorn have a 1991 AFL Premiership but not a VFL one.

The VFL died mate it ceased to be, all gone, done with, left behind, expanded on but it did not exist, do you get it? Do you understand the difference between Victorian and Australian? You'll need help so here it is, one is a state and the other a nation.

There is a difference and the distinction must be made between AFL flags and VFL flags.

When you're prepared to open the other eye and admit the simple FACT that the VFL changed its name to AFL we can have a discussion. Your club is a fledgling club in a long standing competition which changed its name in order to become national and admit teams from other states. Feel free to keep your head buried in the sand for as long as you see fit.

 

[HardenUp]

Maybe we should have a vote:

1. Port Adelaide Est. 1870
2. Port Adelaide Est. 199whatever
3. Port Adelaide Est. 2010

 

[The_Wookie]

So simple but so wrong. Try again here is a tip Hawthorn have a 1991 AFL Premiership but not a VFL one.

The VFL died mate it ceased to be, all gone, done with, left behind, expanded on but it did not exist, do you get it? Do you understand the difference between Victorian and Australian? You'll need help so here it is, one is a state and the other a nation.

There is a difference and the distinction must be made between AFL flags and VFL flags.

The AFL doesnt seem to think so. I seem to recall us celebrating 100 years not to long ago. not bad for an organisation thats only existed since 1990.

 

[Jakko]

When you're prepared to open the other eye and admit the simple FACT that the VFL changed its name to AFL we can have a discussion. Your club is a fledgling club in a long standing competition which changed its name in order to become national and admit teams from other states. Feel free to keep your head buried in the sand for as long as you see fit.

The VFL changed its name and added a color.

Port changed its nickname and added a color.

One has legitimate links to the past, the other not?

 

[PieNSauce]

The VFL changed its name and added a color.

Port changed its nickname and added a color.

One has legitimate links to the past, the other not?

I'm certainly not arguing that Port Power doesn't have legitimate links to PAFC....but Port Power fans claiming PAFC premierships is the same as foundation club fans claiming VFA premierships. They were in a totally separate competition. One could argue that the foundation VFL/AFL clubs would be more within their rights to claim those VFA premierships because the VFL didn't even exist when they chose to break from the VFA and hence the VFA was at that time the premier competition.

 

[Scodog10]

Actually, that wasnt the point i was trying to make. I was simply saying that because one team uses black and white shouldnt have been a barrier to another team doing so. And other than a white logo, carlton remain navy blue (except for away matches when we wear white, and promo matches where we have worn light blue (m&ms) and yellow (something to do with lance armstrong). You cant OWN the colours.

I agree with your argument about your club's colours and how you consider them to be only navy blue as i realise that is one discussion i can never win lol.

However if Geelong were to change there jumper to one that is predominantly the Geelong blue with a GFC insignia in white, would you not be upset? They would be well within their rights to do that as they've used those colours for over 150 years and as far as I'm aware Carlton don't OWN that jumper style/ design. It will never happen, however if it did we would never hear the end of it and rightly so. That is what many Collingwood people are arguing against, whether you agree with it or not.

Case in point a Carlton poster this year had an issue with the Port Adelaide jumper because they felt from the side it looked to similar to a Carlton home jumper, even though black and navy blue are completely different.

Also your exactly right Collingwood don't own the colours or the magpie emblem/ logo. However the AFL do and that is why you will never see another team, in the AFL at least, wearing either black and white or with a magpie emblem.

 

[_Christoh_]

When you're prepared to open the other eye and admit the simple FACT that the VFL changed its name to AFL we can have a discussion. Your club is a fledgling club in a long standing competition which changed its name in order to become national and admit teams from other states. Feel free to keep your head buried in the sand for as long as you see fit.

I'll open my eyes when you realize that Port Adelaide aren't a fledgling club and were established 1870.

How can just changing a name not be changing a competition?

There was obviously a need to make the distinction back in 1989/90 and there is also an arguement to make the distinction between the VFL/AFL flags now.

Why are you unable to see the difference?

I am saying they are different but not less significant. They still mean just as much when you compare 2 Victorian clubs to each other but they dont mean squat when compared to West Coast or Adelaide or PAFC.

Do you see our distinction, cos i sure have had the Victorian perspective up to the eye balls.

 

[Subprime]

The VFL changed its name and added a color.

Port changed its nickname and added a color.

One has legitimate links to the past, the other not?

Check with christoh.

 

[The Jaguar]

When you're prepared to open the other eye and admit the simple FACT that the VFL changed its name to AFL we can have a discussion. Your club is a fledgling club in a long standing competition which changed its name in order to become national and admit teams from other states. Feel free to keep your head buried in the sand for as long as you see fit.

I actually agree with you PhilzGr8.

The VFL simply changed it's name to the AFL in order to become nationally attractive. In fact in a very similar way Port Adelaide had to change its name in order to join said competition. It was still Port Adelaide, but for certain well-known reasons the name had to be tweaked.

I will say however that to view the old VFL, especially anytime before the 70s/80s, as superior to the other premier leagues in SA and WA is just simply wrong. Champions of Australia games will tell you that. State of Origin games will tell you that. The quality of all three leagues was generally comparable, with certain leagues gaining the ascendancy from time to time and vice versa throughout history. It was only until the VFL started evolving into the AFL in the late 70s/ealry 80s that the gap between the leagues started to emerge, which ironically was mainly due to the influx of interstate players joining the VFL for the dosh.

So if you think pre-1970s VFL flags were won in a much higher quality league when compared to the SANFL and WAFL, then you are quite simply deluded. No other word for it.

 

[CambodianMagpie]

Instead of looking back and trying to find out how much further you can piss, everyone should be looking forward, especially in light of the reasons for the recent vote for PAFC and PAMFC. Financial security in a competitive environment to ensure a successful and long future is paramount. Prison Bar jumpers, (1?, 35? or is it 37?) premierships, or if the SANFL was as good as the VFL are gonna mean nothin if your club folds. This includes ALL AFL clubs including mine.

 

[mcgarnacle]

But Port aren't a new franchise we are a club that moved competitions not too different than what occured to the established Victorian clubs when the VFL competition was disbanded to create the AFL in 1990. Your team left the VFL to be in the AFL im sure if you didnt like it you could have become defunct like the VFL did at the time.

Your pre 1990 Premierships were won in a state based competition not a national league and a distinction has to be made but there is no doubting the significance of winning them and they should be recognised as VFL flags.

We make the distinction with pride we have our SANFL flags and lots of them and we have our one AFL flag which we freakin cherish.

We ditched our state league for the glory of the AFL so did you guys.

with this post, you just ****ed the case for PAFC right up.

as i said before, idiots who cant form an unbiased opinion. Instead, a manipulation of facts to support an opinion based on the club they support.

nice work.

 

[Scodog10]

Ididnt see VFL anywhere on the 2004 cup.

Fair dinkum you are an Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!! I said that all premierships won before 1990 were referred to as VFL/ AFL premierships so it is impossible for the 2004 premiership to be called a VFL/ AFL premiership.

No you are wrong it was the same competition with the same teams under a different name, I sourced the comments i posted directly from "The complete story of the AFL" published in 1996 with the help of special writers and VFL/ AFL historians Russell Holmesby, Martin Flanagan, John Ross, Geoff Slattery and Col Hutchison just to name a few .

You've been made to look foolish 3 times in this thread already now just go away.

 

[PieNSauce]

I'll open my eyes when you realize that Port Adelaide aren't a fledgling club and were established 1870.

How can just changing a name not be changing a competition?

There was obviously a need to make the distinction back in 1989/90 and there is also an arguement to make the distinction between the VFL/AFL flags now.

Why are you unable to see the difference?

I am saying they are different but not less significant. They still mean just as much when you compare 2 Victorian clubs to each other but they dont mean squat when compared to West Coast or Adelaide or PAFC.

Do you see our distinction, cos i sure have had the Victorian perspective up to the eye balls.

Again you ignore the facts. Port Adelaide per se are not a fledgeling club but in the expanded VFL now called the AFL they are. You have every right to ignore the history of the clubs whose competition you joined if that suits your ego but don't try and tell me that I should for some unknown reason agree with you. No supporter of a foundation club will ever recognise the Port Adelaide Magpies history as being comparable and nor will they be prepared to forget their club's history in the competition they have been good enough to be in since its inception. Stroke your ego all you like but please have the common decency do it in the confines of your own bedroom.

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Gippsland Latrobe Junior Football League...Latrobe Valley.

He Played for Moe Colts.

I played for Newborough Hawks.
There was also Newborough Bulldogs, Mirboo North (Cats???) Moe Saints, Another Moe Team (Tigers???), Churchill Kangaroos, Trafalgar Bloods & I think Yarragon Pies.

Could have been others, but i may be getting confussed with U16's/U18's.

I started when I was 9, played from 1990 onwards...

Haha, thought so. I played in the same league when I was a kid. Although, I started when I was 10 in 1999. Weird, considering I was familiar with a kid like that playing for the same team yet it would have happened years later.

 

[simba_]

Having just seen that your a Port Adelaide supporter I pity you. Merely for the fact you are trying to claim 2 premierships won by a different club

Fair call. Im confident it was an error on his behalf as 2 of those SANFL premierships were won by the PAMFC, not the PAFC

I support Port Adelaide so to me the 98 and 99 flags were won by the same club from the same Port in the same state that I have always supported. No matter we are wearing a new jumper in the national league. That is our AFL squad. We will still rack up the state flags. Do you get it now?

I will never bother to care about Collingwood downplaying us. They really were the inferior Magpies with inferior black and white stripes.. call your VFL so much better than the SANFL but it did not matter then and it does not matter now

 

[_Christoh_]

Fair dinkum you are an Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!! I said that all premierships won before 1990 were referred to as VFL/ AFL premierships so it is impossible for the 2004 premiership to be called a VFL/ AFL premiership.

No you are wrong it was the same competition with the same teams under a different name, I sourced the comments i posted directly from "The complete story of the AFL" published in 1996 with the help of special writers and VFL/ AFL historians Russell Holmesby, Martin Flanagan, John Ross, Geoff Slattery and Col Hutchison just to name a few .

You've been made to look foolish 3 times in this thread already now just go away.

It cant be the same competition if you change the name otherwise carry on as the expanded VFL.

Yes i was being a dick with a disbanded VFL and a newly created AFL comment but it was to make you Vics see that us interstate clubs that are revolving around the universe that is Melbourne see things a little different than you and the stupid logic placed on Port time and again can be thrown in the other direction too in regards to 1870 and 1997.

Perspective gets lost on these boards.

You need to get used to the difference of VFL/AFL flags cos there are another 2 non-Vic clubs coming in who dont care about VFL flags in the same way you guys dont give a crap about SANFL/WAFL flags.

 

[PieNSauce]

It cant be the same competition if you change the name otherwise carry on as the expanded VFL.

Dammit. Now who is that woman who calls herself my wife? Is she my expanded girlfriend?

 

[_Christoh_]

Dammit. Now who is that woman who calls herself my wife? Is she my expanded girlfriend?

lol.... um... well yeah she is cos she can no longer go winning premierships on her own she has to solely win her premierships with you thus the name change