thank god the port adelaide jumper issue is put to rest

[Scodog10]

I get it, but IMO it's a ridiculous argument and I doubt that you will find anyone that will agree with it.

You also really need to explain yourself better as I doubt anyone reading this forum (that knows the history of the PAFC) would know that you were referring to the PAFC and PAMFC combined rather than just the PAFC, which happens to be your announced allegiance.

 

[PieNSauce]

lol.... um... well yeah she is cos she can no longer go winning premierships on her own she has to solely win her premierships with you thus the name change

But you realise how idiotic the statement was right!

 

[Papa G]

Again you ignore the facts. Port Adelaide per se are not a fledgeling club but in the expanded VFL now called the AFL they are. You have every right to ignore the history of the clubs whose competition you joined if that suits your ego but don't try and tell me that I should for some unknown reason agree with you. No supporter of a foundation club will ever recognise the Port Adelaide Magpies history as being comparable and nor will they be prepared to forget their club's history in the competition they have been good enough to be in since its inception. Stroke your ego all you like but please have the common decency do it in the confines of your own bedroom.

Um don't you think that has more to do with said clubs location more than anything? You reckon a VFL foundation club such as St Kilda have a richer history, culture of success and greater legitamacy than Port Adelaide? Not trying to have a go at Saint Kilda, but you reckon a club that has won 26 Wooden Spoons in and 1 flag 113 years, mostly in a 8-12 team state league is by far and a way superior just because through the clubs location it got to play in the VFL? If this is truely your stance and is the stance of many myopic Victorians, do you think it is any wonder why the rest of Australia thinks you are idiots?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I'm sorry but the VFL was never disbanded. August 19 1989 VFL chairman Ross Oakley announced that the VFL will be known as the AFL form the start of the 1990 season.

Then on March 20 1990 just before the commencement of the new season the Australian football league became the official name of the VFL after the rights to the AFL title were handed over by John Adams, a Director of West Coast at the time, who had registered them.

If the VFL were ever disbanded it would have meant that the clubs would have to apply to re-enter the new AFL competition and if that had have been the case clubs such as Footscray and Fitzroy would have folded at the time as the AFL would have required a registration fee similar to that paid by the Bears and Eagles when they entered the competition.

From 1990 onwards any flags won prior to the commencement of the AFL were referred to as VFL/ AFL flags, that is why Victorian teams still count VFL premierships.

This is a good post, the VFL became the AFL and I still don't know why anyone tries to argue this.

This is also why they call them VFL/AFL flags. Yes all the same competition but VFL was state based an the AFL are national.

It is self explanatory I think.

Most people even Victorians would acknowledge that North Melbournes Premiership in 1977 is no bigger achievement than East Perth winning the WAFL that year. They were both state league premierships.

But Victorian clubs did not change comps and hence they count their flags.

Why is this still an issue, and to be honest who the hell cares?

 

[_Christoh_]

But you realise how idiotic the statement was right!

The reply to the expanded girlfriend was yes but i stand by the need for the distinction on VFL/AFL flags.

 

[Scodog10]

It cant be the same competition if you change the name otherwise carry on as the expanded VFL.

Yes i was being a dick with a disbanded VFL and a newly created AFL comment but it was to make you Vics see that us interstate clubs that are revolving around the universe that is Melbourne see things a little different than you and the stupid logic placed on Port time and again can be thrown in the other direction too in regards to 1870 and 1997.

I for one will 100% freely admit that the footballing universe does not revolve around Victoria as without the interstate clubs introduction in the late 80's the competition would have ceased to exist, as the league and some of the clubs were effectively bankrupt at the time.

Also you should really remove the chip from your shoulder about people's attitudes toward interstate clubs, the vast majority of Victorians agree that its good for the prosperity of the game. Those that don't are either naive or fearful that expansion will be to the detriment of their own club.

 

[PieNSauce]

Um don't you think that has more to do with said clubs location more than anything? You reckon a VFL foundation club such as St Kilda have a richer history, culture of success and greater legitamacy than Port Adelaide? Not trying to have a go at Saint Kilda, but you reckon a club that has won 26 Wooden Spoons in and 1 flag 113 years, mostly in a 8-12 team state league is by far and a way superior just because through the clubs location it got to play in the VFL? If this is truely your stance and is the stance of many myopic Victorians, do you think it is any wonder why the rest of Australia thinks you are idiots?

WTF? I'm not suggesting Port don't have legitimacy but it's not in the context of the competition to which we belong. Location certainly has a bearing but neither you nor I have any influence over that fact. The simple fact here is that Port Adelaide chose to enter a long standing competition with its own history. Precious few will agree that they should port their historical success into their newly chosen competition as though it is somehow in context. It clearly isn't and no amount of bleating by disenfranchised Port Magpies supporters can make it so. Perhaps if you could open the other eye and see that you will realise why the rest of the clubs including Crows supporters see you as a pack of whining whinging nobodies.

 

[PieNSauce]

The reply to the expanded girlfriend was yes but i stand by the need for the distinction on VFL/AFL flags.

lol. So if I change my name from one thing to another I am no longer myself. I must try that some time, I've always wondered what it would be like to be somebody else.

Nobody is saying there is no distinction but the fact is that they are within the same competition. By your reckoning there is no club in the competition which has a legitimate premiership because Gold Coast and GWS haven't played yet. Can you not see how silly the argument is?

 

[Papa G]

WTF? I'm not suggesting Port don't have legitimacy but it's not in the context of the competition to which we belong. Location certainly has a bearing but neither you nor I have any influence over that fact. The simple fact here is that Port Adelaide chose to enter a long standing competition with its own history. Precious few will agree that they should port their historical success into their newly chosen competition as though it is somehow in context. It clearly isn't and no amount of bleating by disenfranchised Port Magpies supporters can make it so. Perhaps if you could open the other eye and see that you will realise why the rest of the clubs including Crows supporters see you as a pack of whining whinging nobodies.

But you can't have one without the other. The PAFC entered the AFL on the back of its phenomonal history of success. No other club has ever done that. So to suggest that Port's historical success is some how to be wiped from the pages is quite ridiculous.

 

[PieNSauce]

But you can't have one without the other. The PAFC entered the AFL on the back of its phenomonal history of success. No other club has ever done that. So to suggest that Port's historical success is some how to be wiped from the pages is quite ridiculous.

Nobody said it should be wiped. It holds some significance to Port Adelaide supporters in the context of their SANFL history. It holds no significance in the competition to which they now belong. Isn't that simple enough to understand?

 

[tribey]

Putting an issue that no one was discussing to rest by bringing it up, pure genius!

 

[_Christoh_]

lol. So if I change my name from one thing to another I am no longer myself. I must try that some time, I've always wondered what it would be like to be somebody else.

Nobody is saying there is no distinction but the fact is that they are within the same competition. By your reckoning there is no club in the competition which has a legitimate premiership because Gold Coast and GWS haven't played yet. Can you not see how silly the argument is?

If you change your name from Bob to John you are no longer Bob so you are different.

No my point is that when you change the name of the competition you change the competition. The stupid part of my arguement is that the same teams were in the 1989 VFL as were in the 1990 AFL.

A distinction was made to change the name of the comp so a distinction needs to made on those Premierships won in either comp. Both equal a Premiership both deservedly won both proudly admired but won in different named competitions.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

I support Port Adelaide so to me the 98 and 99 flags were won by the same club from the same Port in the same state that I have always supported. No matter we are wearing a new jumper in the national league. That is our AFL squad. We will still rack up the state flags. Do you get it now?

wrong. Those flags win in 98 and 99 were won by the PAMFC, not the PAFC.

 

[The Jaguar]

WTF? I'm not suggesting Port don't have legitimacy but it's not in the context of the competition to which we belong. Location certainly has a bearing but neither you nor I have any influence over that fact. The simple fact here is that Port Adelaide chose to enter a long standing competition with its own history. Precious few will agree that they should port their historical success into their newly chosen competition as though it is somehow in context. It clearly isn't and no amount of bleating by disenfranchised Port Magpies supporters can make it so. Perhaps if you could open the other eye and see that you will realise why the rest of the clubs including Crows supporters see you as a pack of whining whinging nobodies.

I don't think any reasonable Port supporter would expect our SANFL flags to be counted as VFL/AFL flags in any way. But what is annoying is that many Victorian supporters genuinely believe that VFL flags from 40, 50, even 100 years ago are somehow worth more than the equivalent SANFL flag, even though both competitions (and the WAFL) were very similar from a competition size and quality standpoint. Therefore Port's great success should be given the credit it's due and not be written of as "won in some backwater league". That type of attitude is just disrespectful, naive and deluded. There is no doubt that the VFL become something bigger on the back of expansion, but before then it was just another state league.

 

[The Jaguar]

wrong. Those flags win in 98 and 99 were won by the PAMFC, not the PAFC.

One and the same now brother, one and the same!

 

[Primetime Pricey]

One and the same now brother, one and the same!

now but not before

 

[tribey]

wrong. Those flags win in 98 and 99 were won by the PAMFC, not the PAFC.

To Wikipedia!...

 

[_Christoh_]

Nobody said it should be wiped. It holds some significance to Port Adelaide supporters in the context of their SANFL history. It holds no significance in the competition to which they now belong. Isn't that simple enough to understand?

Finally your getting it, thats what we think about your VFL flags and you should make the distinction like we do.

 

[PieNSauce]

If you change your name from Bob to John you are no longer Bob so you are different.

No my point is that when you change the name of the competition you change the competition. The stupid part of my arguement is that the same teams were in the 1989 VFL as were in the 1990 AFL.

A distinction was made to change the name of the comp so a distinction needs to made on those Premierships won in either comp. Both equal a Premiership both deservedly won both proudly admired but won in different named competitions.

I don't think any reasonable Port supporter would expect our SANFL flags to be counted as VFL/AFL flags in any way. But what is annoying is that many Victorian supporters genuinely believe that VFL flags from 40, 50, even 100 years ago are somehow worth more than the equivalent SANFL flag, even though both competitions (and the WAFL) were very similar from a competition size and quality standpoint. Therefore Port's great success should be given the credit it's due and not be written of as "won in some backwater league". That type of attitude is just disrespectful, naive and deluded. There is no doubt that the VFL become something bigger on the back of expansion, but before then it was just another state league.

I'm sorry to be repetitive but you both know (or maybe you're too young to know,) that the VFL has always been seen by all elite players in this country as the premier competition. Top SANFL players, WAFL players and others aspired to play in the VFL because it was seen as the premier competition in the country. Deny that fact all you like but you will find that there is significant proof if you're prepared to open your eyes.

I know that nothing I say will make you agree just as there is nothing you can say that will make me agree with you so it's a pretty pointless argument and made moreso when you flatly refuse to acknowledge facts.

 

[PieNSauce]

Finally your getting it, thats what we think about your VFL flags and you should make the distinction like we do.

Except that the clear distinction is that our VFL/AFL flags were won within the context of the competition we currently play in. Maybe you'll finally get that if you're told 1000 more times.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

To Wikipedia!...

who cares about Wikipedia

You cant claim that the real Port is in the AFL yet claim SANFL flags after they joined the AFL bahahahahahahaha.

Cant have it both ways. different clubs at the time and im happy that now they can join and be one but back then the SANFL side was the PAMFC, noth the PAFC which won all the flags before 1997

 

[_Christoh_]

I'm sorry to be repetitive but you both know (or maybe you're too young to know,) that the VFL has always been seen by all elite players in this country as the premier competition. Top SANFL players, WAFL players and others aspired to play in the VFL because it was seen as the premier competition in the country. Deny that fact all you like but you will find that there is significant proof if you're prepared to open your eyes.

I know that nothing I say will make you agree just as there is nothing you can say that will make me agree with you so it's a pretty pointless argument and made moreso when you flatly refuse to acknowledge facts.

Do you think Gary Ablett left Geelong because the Gold Coast was more elite, get a grip it was $$. Melbourne being a bigger city generated more $'s that the only reason it became a better comp from the mid 70's onwards but it was still just a state based comp that went broke.

 

[_Christoh_]

Except that the clear distinction is that our VFL/AFL flags were won within the context of the competition we currently play in. Maybe you'll finally get that if you're told 1000 more times.

And the context of them were VFL and AFL.

Same shit, different smell

 

[PieNSauce]

Do you think Gary Ablett left Geelong because the Gold Coast was more elite, get a grip it was $$. Melbourne being a bigger city generated more $'s that the only reason it became a better comp from the mid 70's onwards but it was still just a state based comp that went broke.

lol... Do you think that the fact that the VFL was a richer competition and managed to attract the elite players from around the country did not make it the elite competition? I'm afraid you just shot yourself in the foot with that comment.

Went Broke??? WTF? When did that news break? Source????

 

[PieNSauce]

And the context of them were VFL and AFL.

Same shit, different smell

...or maybe 2000 more times at this rate.