Roast The 2004 Draft nightmare ...

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Whoooooosh C4 !!!!

... I probably should have seen the LOL at the end of it ..

 

[Bomba Sheldon]

Okay then, you tell me why you could accuse me of stupidity, when I'm merely stating the honest truth ?

Of course Jordan Russell was a highly rated youngster at the time, but comparing him now, to the other more highly faniced players from the 2009 draft class (a few of them who were taken later on), he has been an failure thus far ...

Are you honestly happy with the club's recruiting in that period (2002 to 2004) ? It was shithouse, and admittedly we lost heavy draft picks due to the AFL, but in that time we were too focused on recycled players, and hardly any of the young players we drafted in that period were any good ...

Fact is, if we are now comparing ourselves to the Hawks (which for some reason some fans are) we are still 2 or 3 years (at the least) behind them, especially have we have no real exciting tall key position players coming through (esp in the foward line)

Oh but Russell can tackle and apply forward line pressure !!!!

 

[BlueYoss]

And in all the phantom drafts at the time he was selected around the number 9 mark. Our recruiters selected who they thought (and im sure many other clubs would have) was the best possible pick at 9.

Love the new avatar mate, but I belive it's 'Hug it out, b!tch'

 

[BLUE BOY BEN]

yes this was a truely miserable few years for the carlton mob!!!!
JR should come good in the next few years he did show signs that he was getting their(hopefully he does)!!!

 

[WeninRome]

Love the new avatar mate, but I belive it's 'Hug it out, b!tch'

didn't really wanna drop the b bomb in my signiture, wouldn't of lasted long i think.

 

[blues_future]

While many points re being wise after the event are fair, over the Hughes years we should do better out of the draft than anyone else because we have had the best picks. Everyone knows drafting is hard, that's why we pay people money to do it. No-one expects perfect picks, it is very unpredictable, but we need to be better at drafting than anyone else because that is the difference between premierships and ninth. How would the Tiges go if they had picked Pav instead of Fiora and Buddy instead of Tambling.

If Hughes has used the draft choices better than all the other teams, which is what we should be aiming for, then great, if not we won't be seeing a flag anytime soon, because we are never going to get another go at the draft like we've had over the last four years.

If in 5 years we see clear evidence that we have stuffed up 04-08 then I hope we don't have any posters saying that is okay because drafting is really, really hard. The problem is it takes four or five years to make a definitive judgement, by which time, if you are wrong then it is way too late.

 

[Beloved]

This coming from a bloke who is an apologist for that squib Jordan Russell ?

You can't deny the facts of what Hawthorn has done since that 04 draft ..

Would Mrs Jordy Russell get a game with the Hawks right now, the answer is a resounding NO ...

Cp,

It sounds like you bringing up the 2004 draft is an excuse to pay out on Jordan Russell. Russ never chose to be drafted by the club, and as long as he is on the team, he should be supporter, IMO.

He improved out of sight this year.

 

[celtic_pride]

Cp,

It sounds like you bringing up the 2004 draft is an excuse to pay out on Jordan Russell. Russ never chose to be drafted by the club, and as long as he is on the team, he should be supporter, IMO.

He improved out of sight this year.

Um ... If anything Jordan Russell is just treading water, I honestly do not think he improved 'out of sight' at all this year, certainly players who improved this year were the likes of Bower, Grigg, Jamison etc ...
He played one decent game this year (against Port) but my main beef with Jordan Russell, is not that he hasn't talent or ability, he does, but the fact I consider him to be 'mentally soft' and doesn't seem to have a decent work ethic (I have observed that he has very 'negative' body language on the field)

People can bag Carrot sometimes, but you know, he plays with ticker 100 percent, week in week out, something that can't be said about Jordan Russell.

Anyhow the main point I guess now is that really it was the 2003 recruiting/topping of recycled players that set us back at least 3 or 4 years,
and the fact these players helped us win 10 games for one year, was dreadful, because it cost us a really decent draft position, and most of the players we 'recycled' only were at the club for one or two years ..

I just hope the club doens't make the same mistake going after players like Ryan O'Keefe etc, and trying to waste/trade away our future for recycled players ...

Essentially the Geelong and Hawthorn models of building lists is the way to go ..

 

[ImissSOS]

The Baggers have got it right... we have loaded up on kids and now started to target our deficiencies, like Warnock and Hadley (inside player to protect Judd). The hawks did the same. Kids then targeted players even Dew is now a success.
Russell was better this year, but still murders the ball, I think we will see continued improvement in players like Russell & Anderson with Ratts and a senior group led by Judd. A fit Judd at pre season will show them what the standard is.
Blues are on target, no need to worry about drafts gone.. just worry about the future it looks good

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

They can all play, that's why they're in the draft camp. Some just better than others. But maybe our failures and other team successes has more to do with development of players rather than just luck CP?

 

[giantroo]

I think overall thoughthat Denis Pagan and co got it wrong by recruiting all those recycled playes back in 2002 and 2003 IE David Teague, Diggers Morrell, Brett Johnson, Glen Bowyer etc, all short term prospects who helped us win 10 games in that season, but at the expense of a decent DRAFTING position and draft picks ...

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but yeah the AFL's overzealous sanctions and Pagan's flawed coaching and recruiting philosphy didn't help one bit ...

Circumstances were against us in 2004, but still it does shit me somewhat looking at how well the Hawks did in that draft, compared to Carlton ...

I think it also does prove the dangers of 'trading' for unproven recycled players, I am still not convinced Richard Hadley will be at the club in 3 years time, I think unless you can get a gun like Kerr, or a future sure-bet ruckman in Warnock, going for youth in the draft is the way to go ...

I would also argue that Jordan Russell so far in his career, has not lived up to his billing of a top ten draft pick ...

LOL. You only traded McKernan back to us for those 2. No loss of picks, just positions on the list.

 

[DamianBis]

Um ... If anything Jordan Russell is just treading water, I honestly do not think he improved 'out of sight' at all this year, certainly players who improved this year were the likes of Bower, Grigg, Jamison etc ...
He played one decent game this year (against Port) but my main beef with Jordan Russell, is not that he hasn't talent or ability, he does, but the fact I consider him to be 'mentally soft' and doesn't seem to have a decent work ethic (I have observed that he has very 'negative' body language on the field)

People can bag Carrot sometimes, but you know, he plays with ticker 100 percent, week in week out, something that can't be said about Jordan Russell.

Anyhow the main point I guess now is that really it was the 2003 recruiting/topping of recycled players that set us back at least 3 or 4 years,
and the fact these players helped us win 10 games for one year, was dreadful, because it cost us a really decent draft position, and most of the players we 'recycled' only were at the club for one or two years ..

I just hope the club doens't make the same mistake going after players like Ryan O'Keefe etc, and trying to waste/trade away our future for recycled players ...

Essentially the Geelong and Hawthorn models of building lists is the way to go ..

LOL

We must be watching different games (i still love carrots though)