List Mgmt. The 2019 Trade and Free Agency Thread

[blitznu]

This was kind of my thinking too, we need someone who can actually kick goals in the team. Apparently he is going cheap in terms of picks and dollars. Interesting to read other's opinions and it looks like the club isn't interested anyway.

Its alright though we should only be happy with the Fyfes Grundys Martins of the competition. Anybody not in the top 10 is mud. Then every campaigner can complain that Weid still isnt ready the other defender we moved forward surprisingly doesnt work out and Pruess is still a slow campaigner with no tank who cant move. Atleast we signed up the 8 shittest players on our list no reason to sign up a player for a token pick better than all of them.

 

[Cannon82]

Its alright though we should only be happy with the Fyfes Grundys Martins of the competition. Anybody not in the top 10 is mud. Then every campaigner can complain that Weid still isnt ready the other defender we moved forward surprisingly doesnt work out and Pruess is still a slow campaigner with no tank who cant move. Atleast we signed up the 8 s**ttest players on our list no reason to sign up a player for a token pick better than all of them.

You're right. If only there was some players occupying that middle ground inbetween genuine superstar of the competition and 30+ past it, looking-for-one-final-payday semi-retirees. Alas...

 

[Demon 16]

I’d rather Papley than Tomlinson.

Even if it meant splitting pick 3 and paying more money.

 

[Cannon82]

I’d rather Papley than Tomlinson.

Even if it meant splitting pick 3 and paying more money.

Yep. Lets improve the list, not clog it up more.

 

[blitznu]

I’d rather Papley than Tomlinson.

Even if it meant splitting pick 3 and paying more money.

Papley is gonna be on twice as much as Tomlinson. Tomlinson is free. Tomlinson we dont give up a top player in an age bracket we have nothing in. Tomlinson has **** all to do with getting Papley

 

[Cannon82]

Papley is gonna be on twice as much as Tomlinson. Tomlinson is free. Tomlinson we dont give up a top player in an age bracket we have nothing in. Tomlinson has fu** all to do with getting Papley

If Tomlinson is on $400 to $450k per season, you think Papley is going to be on $800k? If we pick Tomlinson up for that much, it could well impact our ability to retain decent players and also bring in someone who would actually improve our best team.

 

[blitznu]

You're right. If only there was some players occupying that middle ground inbetween genuine superstar of the competition and 30+ past it, looking-for-one-final-payday semi-retirees. Alas...

Yeah we'll be fine with the same forward set up if not we'll just move another defender forward. Jenkins is contracted for another year on big coin willing to take a massive pay cut so hardly a final pay day situation

 

[blitznu]

If Tomlinson is on $400 to $450k per season, you think Papley is going to be on $800k? If we pick Tomlinson up for that much, it could well impact our ability to retain decent players and also bring in someone who would actually improve our best team.

According to the reports thats exactly what North have offered him. **** paying that for what Papley is good player but not our top earner

 

[blitznu]

If Tomlinson is on $400 to $450k per season, you think Papley is going to be on $800k? If we pick Tomlinson up for that much, it could well impact our ability to retain decent players and also bring in someone who would actually improve our best team.

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[All Aboard the Dee Train]

Brodie Smith apparently being courted by Brisbane. If Crows are having a fire sale, I'd be keen on him. SA born so unlikely to leave I'm presuming. I think he'd be fantastic for us though. Quick, and an awesome kick. Wants to play more midfield/wing too. Played there a lot more second half of year and was becoming a goal kicker too. Doubt the Crows would give up a player like him but interesting to hear that his name is coming up.

 

[Demon 16]

Papley is gonna be on twice as much as Tomlinson. Tomlinson is free. Tomlinson we dont give up a top player in an age bracket we have nothing in. Tomlinson has fu** all to do with getting Papley

Did you not read the bit where I said ‘Even if it meant splitting pick 3 and paying more money.’

Papley would be so much better for our game than Tomlinson.

If we want to maintain this contested ball, chaos footy that Richmond bring, then we are in dire need of at least 2 if not 3 defensive small forwards who can pinch through the middle.

Papley is the prototype of where our list is most deficient. I’d be happy not getting Tomlinson for free and cheap, if it meant bringing in Papley for a trade and more money.

 

[Cannon82]

According to the reports thats exactly what North have offered him. fu** paying that for what Papley is good player but not our top earner

Finding that a bit difficult to believe. Anyway, whatever, we'll see what unfolds. You'd have to be pretty mad to move to Norf, but we're hardly any better, if at all.

 

[Hotdees]

Looking at Richmond’s list as an example , their top 6 players would take up 5 million of their 12.7. Then maybe 3 or 4 decent role players on maybe 400-500k but then their list is filled up with cheap players who would all be well below average wage. The key is the top 6 and role players have played to an outstanding level. The bottom part of the list doesn’t need to be superstars they just play a role like Castagna, Pickett, Stack, Baker. Someone like Brandon Ellis is allowed to walk because they can easily replace him with someone coming through which allows them to keep that top end together.

Our top 6 paid would be Gawn,May, Lever, TMac, Oliver and Viney? Apart from Gawn it’s been a struggle with injury and poor form. If we don’t get more out of this group we are not going anywhere no matter who we bring in. I’d have Salem , Trac , Melksham ,Hibberd , Jetta, Preuss as our well paid role players on 400-500k. Brayshaw on a bit less. We’re looking to bring Langdon and Tomlinson , maybe Elliot as well into this category.

Can see why our cap is tight. The numbers are just a guess but looks like we’re paying too many blokes in that middle range for me.

 

[PerfectFooty]

He went to a public school and not a private so that rules him out

Delist Gawn

 

[mrmonkey]

Doesn't necessarily translate to goals for us though. As bad as the Crows were this year, we were still much worse. He would've been lucky to kick 10 this year for us the way we entered the 50 and the way he goes about getting his goals. Just my opinion though. I just feel we actually need small, quick Richmond types who lock the ball inside 50.

I don't think you would find too many people disagreeing with this. Would suffer playing in our system, of course our system needs to change as well. He would fit in better at Richmond not that they need him but the fact that they actually have space for him to do his best work. We definitely need better ball uses before we start recruiting guys that get on the end of things.

 

[Topkent]

Looking at Richmond’s list as an example , their top 6 players would take up 5 million of their 12.7. Then maybe 3 or 4 decent role players on maybe 400-500k but then their list is filled up with cheap players who would all be well below average wage. The key is the top 6 and role players have played to an outstanding level. The bottom part of the list doesn’t need to be superstars they just play a role like Castagna, Pickett, Stack, Baker. Someone like Brandon Ellis is allowed to walk because they can easily replace him with someone coming through which allows them to keep that top end together.

Our top 6 paid would be Gawn,May, Lever, TMac, Oliver and Viney? Apart from Gawn it’s been a struggle with injury and poor form. If we don’t get more out of this group we are not going anywhere no matter who we bring in. I’d have Salem , Trac , Melksham ,Hibberd , Jetta, Preuss as our well paid role players on 400-500k. Brayshaw on a bit less. We’re looking to bring Langdon and Tomlinson , maybe Elliot as well into this category.

Can see why our cap is tight. The numbers are just a guess but looks like we’re paying too many blokes in that middle range for me.

Pulled that out your ass

Martin, Cotchin, Riewoldt, Lynch, Rance

Prestia, Edwards, Caddy, Grimes, Vlastuin, Ellis, Nankervis, Houli, Rioli, Castagna

I'd say they'd have 10 players atleast on good coin, that's not even including Lambert, Butler, Astbury, McIntosh etc

 

[Hotdees]

Pulled that out your ass

Martin, Cotchin, Riewoldt, Lynch, Rance

Prestia, Edwards, Caddy, Grimes, Vlastuin, Ellis, Nankervis, Houli, Rioli, Castagna

I'd say they'd have 10 players atleast on good coin, that's not even including Lambert, Butler, Astbury, McIntosh etc

Dusty 1.2m
Rance,Lynch,Cotchin 800k
Riewoldt, Prestia 600k
Edwards,Caddy,Grimes,Ellis, Houli 500k

That leaves 5.4 million for the other 30 players on the list. Those other players mentioned can’t be on great deals and they’re all best 22.

It’s hard to do without knowing what everyone is paid but they’re doing it a shitload better than us. We’re paying Preuss $500k.

Main point is the blokes at the top end on our list need to play at the level we’re paying them to play at like the Tigers do.

 

[Topkent]

Dusty 1.2m
Rance,Lynch,Cotchin 800k
Riewoldt, Prestia 600k
Edwards,Caddy,Grimes,Ellis, Houli 500k

That leaves 5.4 million for the other 30 players on the list. Those other players mentioned can’t be on great deals and they’re all best 22.

It’s hard to do without knowing what everyone is paid but they’re doing it a s**tload better than us. We’re paying Preuss $500k.

Main point is the blokes at the top end on our list need to play at the level we’re paying them to play at like the Tigers do.

Those numbers are a complete guess though lol.

Gawn, Oliver, Brayshaw, May, Lever, Salem, Harmes, Viney, Hibberd, Melk, Tkac, Jetta

That's 12 players, Tigers you listed 11.

I just don't believe this salary cap 'crunch'

 

[Hotdees]

Those numbers are a complete guess though lol.

Gawn, Oliver, Brayshaw, May, Lever, Salem, Harmes, Viney, Hibberd, Melk, Tkac, Jetta

That's 12 players, Tigers you listed 11.

I just don't believe this salary cap 'crunch'

Its pretty much a complete guess with us , Its an educated guess based on media reports at the Tigers. There is some underpaid players at Richmond.

I’m not sure we have a salary cap crunch either . Even if a team pays 105% of the cap they can still only have 1.2 million more than a team spending the minimum 95% so how teams get supposed war chests is hard to believe unless they’ve done well front loading deals etc.

 

[Topkent]

Its pretty much a complete guess with us , Its an educated guess based on media reports at the Tigers. There is some underpaid players at Richmond.

I’m not sure we have a salary cap crunch either . Even if a team pays 105% of the cap they can still only have 1.2 million more than a team spending the minimum 95% so how teams get supposed war chests is hard to believe unless they’ve done well front loading deals etc.

Think it's all media spin. Probably us leaking we are tight so that managers don't try and squeeze us dry.

 

[Hotdees]

Think it's all media spin. Probably us leaking we are tight so that managers don't try and squeeze us dry.

Wasn’t Sam Weideman asking for $650k early this year. Maybe we just said we’re tight to his management like you said and have continued on with that line.

 

[Topkent]

Wasn’t Sam Weideman asking for $650k early this year. Maybe we just said we’re tight to his management like you said and have continued on with that line.

Also there's a couple blokes on our list who can make a difference. If Brayshaw and Tmac have an average year next year then what the hell have they done to deserve more than 400k? Viney not earning a huge cheque either ATM
Hibberd should be down to the 300 range as well. Jones minimal and then someone like Jetta probably takes a hair cut aswell. That should already free up some more money

 

[Hotdees]

Also there's a couple blokes on our list who can make a difference. If Brayshaw and Tmac have an average year next year then what the hell have they done to deserve more than 400k? Viney not earning a huge cheque either ATM
Hibberd should be down to the 300 range as well. Jones minimal and then someone like Jetta probably takes a hair cut aswell. That should already free up some more money

Jones definitely is and Jetta would now nearly qualify for the veterans list so only half their contracts would count under the cap

 

[Topkent]

Jones definitely is and Jetta would now nearly qualify for the veterans list so only half their contracts would count under the cap

That rule doesn't exist anymore

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[Cannon82]

That rule doesn't exist anymore

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Interesting. We could keep Jones around on limited pay so we can use his salary cap allowance to pay someone else more... what a weird rule.