List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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  • Bo Allan - Pick 16
  • Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
  • Tom Gross - Pick 46
  • Lucca Grego - Pick 48
  • Hamish Davis - Pick 65
  • Malakai Champion - Cat B
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Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling
 
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Keys said:
I’d love to have Warner on the list but am wary of the cost from both a salary cap and draft capital viewpoint

If he extends his contract at Sydney I wouldn’t be unduly upset as our draft hand will have us well placed to get some very good players in the door - potentially 3 picks before a bid on Banfield comes, then maybe able to match a bid on him with Hawks F2 and a bid on Walley with Hawks F3. Not sure where that would leave Evans but bids mid to late in R3 will be easily matched

Just don’t want him going to Fremantle
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I'm really interested about the salary cap side of things in this scenario.... my understanding is the clubs have to use 95% of the salary cap?

If this is the case, we have recently lost Barrass, Darling, Gaff, Shuey, Nic Nat, Kennedy, Hurn, Sheppard and more....

I'm assuming outside of Yeo, Kelly and McGovern (and sheed?) these were all our higher earning players...

Where has all this money been allocated to?

Surely we have a war chest of cash and we are well positioned to target some A graders for trade and FA....
 
maxrm said:
I'm stoked with our draft and pumped for 2025. This is what I'm envisioning...

AFL level

Hough - Edwards - Baker
Duggan - McGovern - Ginbey

Hunt - Yeo - Hutchinson
B. Williams - Harley - Graham

Hewett - Allen - Kelly
Ryan - Waterman - Owies

INT: Allan (Defence), J. Williams (FWD/RUCK), Chesser (Mid), Dewar (FWD/Wing)
SUB: Maric (Utility)

Potential strengths:
  • Big, athletic, tough defence with plenty of power and dash
  • Harley and Yeo doing their thing, unleashed by a supporting role from Graham, with high-octane spells from Hewett, Allan, Ginbey, and Baker
  • Quality KPFs, Owies pestering, and Hewett and Kelly as MID/FWDs both pushing up the ground and snagging goals
Weaknesses:
  • Skilful rebounding from defence. We'll be very reliant on run and carry
  • Is Chesser ready to step up as a full time mid?
  • Forward pressure; are Hewett and Kelly going to defend hard enough?
  • Ruck situation; can one of B. Williams or Flynn step it up?
Next in line:
  • Bazzo and trialling A. Reid or Shanahan for KPDs, Cole and Johnston for general defenders
  • Hall in the guts, Davis on the wing or high half-forward I could see getting early game time
  • Long and Cripps are arguably the most unlucky to miss and will be pushing hard for a HFF position, although I do want Long to spend some time playing mid to hone his skills there. Petch a chance, too.
  • I expect Shanahan and Archer Reid to be knocking down the door hard, and whilst I'd love to see them developing their connection as twin towers in the forward line, if opportunities present down back then I can't wait to see what they show there either.
  • I think Champion is a smokey for an early look-in too. Perhaps Gross although he may have to leapfrog Long for it.
Developing but list spot is safe for now:
Chesser, Hutchinson, Dewar, Maric, Bazzo, Grego, Johnston, Hall, Davis, Long, Gross, Shanahan, Archer, Champion

Delisting on the cards if they don't perform well:
Cole, Brockman, Flynn, Petruccelle

Likely delisting, needs a big year:
Jamieson, Barnett, Livingstone, Rawlinson, Sheed

Retirement: Cripps

WAFL level

Cole - Jamieson - Bazzo
Grego - Barnett - Brockman

Johnston - Hall - Davis
Flynn - Long - Petruccelle

Cripps - Shanahan - Gross
Champion - A. Reid - Rawlinson

INT: Livingstone, Sheed?

Notes: Give Barnett and Brockman a crack as a KPD and rebounding defender respectively down back. Long and Gross swapping between mid and fwd. Cripps and Cole narrowly missing out on AFL selection but providing invaluable experience here. Shanahan and A. Reid as our next-gen KPFs working in tandem, but throwing one back at times to see how they go, both have tremendous potential as KPDs as well as KPFs.

Side note:
Add Warner and Rodriguez next year and squeeze another good year from Gov and Yeo in 2026, and we will be genuinely dangerous. Our NGAs and Banfield will be exciting additions too. Cody Curtin as a KPD prospect another key target, especially with much of our KPD depth on the delist pile.
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Best synopsis I’ve seen.
Only change is I’d love Maric as a starter but it’s hard to shift who you’ve got.
This has genuinely got me excited about our youth for the first time in a while!
 

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We_The_West said:
I'm really interested about the salary cap side of things in this scenario.... my understanding is the clubs have to use 95% of the salary cap?

If this is the case, we have recently lost Barrass, Darling, Gaff, Shuey, Nic Nat, Kennedy, Hurn, Sheppard and more....

I'm assuming outside of Yeo, Kelly and McGovern (and sheed?) these were all our higher earning players...

Where has all this money been allocated to?

Surely we have a war chest of cash and we are well positioned to target some A graders for trade and FA....
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Reid's gonna cost us 2 mill a year. Also, next year we will have 30 under 24 that all need to be resigned before free agency. For the next 3 years we don't have an issue, after this our cap will tighten quickly.

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Bit in the above

Shanahan seen as a potential defender but other players may be tried down back as well

Club very happy to get Champion as a Cat B

Still working through who they intend to invite as train ons
 
Keys said:
I’d love to have Warner on the list but am wary of the cost from both a salary cap and draft capital viewpoint

If he extends his contract at Sydney I wouldn’t be unduly upset as our draft hand will have us well placed to get some very good players in the door - potentially 3 picks before a bid on Banfield comes, then maybe able to match a bid on him with Hawks F2 and a bid on Walley with Hawks F3. Not sure where that would leave Evans but bids mid to late in R3 will be easily matched

Just don’t want him going to Fremantle
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My concern with Warner is he doesn’t impact with us like he does at the Swans with Gulden, Heeney etc around him as well as a very good ruckman. Then we’re stuck with an expensive talent at high draft cost that we can’t unlock.

If ladder positions are the same I’d be prepared to pay pick 3 and our F1 for Warner and 17 but not more. I did like Phil’s suggestion of Hawks pick and our 2026 pick but not sure if that’s accepted.
 
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pantskyle said:
All things considered with the trade for Baker that pick ended up being [emoji[emoji6]] was it? It's not the worse deal in the world. Baker will be a solid/good addition to our best .

We've done worse deals.
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For pick twenty seven Richmond got North’s future first

So yes, it was a bad deal
 
We_The_West said:
I'm really interested about the salary cap side of things in this scenario.... my understanding is the clubs have to use 95% of the salary cap?

If this is the case, we have recently lost Barrass, Darling, Gaff, Shuey, Nic Nat, Kennedy, Hurn, Sheppard and more....

I'm assuming outside of Yeo, Kelly and McGovern (and sheed?) these were all our higher earning players...

Where has all this money been allocated to?

Surely we have a war chest of cash and we are well positioned to target some A graders for trade and FA....
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We would definitely have a "war chest"
but some of it went to Waterman as he got his contract renegotiated with a large increase. Allan is working on a big contract. I think Baker got a fair bit.
 
Ghossein said:
how many are we allowed? I'd be inclined to trial as many as possible
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You can have as many as you like but bear in mind they are paid whilst they’re at the club, albeit on minimum chips
 

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briztoon said:
2026.

There's been a fair bit of overrating of Cooper Hodge, if you read certain posters who follow under age footy up here.

He's probably the 4th or 5th best kid in his age group in our academy.
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Not sure that was the point. Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t the academies brought in to encourage more players from non traditional or disadvantaged backgrounds? Kids that wouldn’t otherwise play football.

Regardless of talent it’s pretty hard to say Hodge’s son fits that category. Same as Jeff White. If I’ve got it right. (???)
 
So if reports are correct and we are asking Sandy Brock to train on and if he agrees, it’s between him and Burgiel for the last spot. You’d assume it would be Brock spot to lose.
 
Keys said:
I’d love to have Warner on the list but am wary of the cost from both a salary cap and draft capital viewpoint

If he extends his contract at Sydney I wouldn’t be unduly upset as our draft hand will have us well placed to get some very good players in the door - potentially 3 picks before a bid on Banfield comes, then maybe able to match a bid on him with Hawks F2 and a bid on Walley with Hawks F3. Not sure where that would leave Evans but bids mid to late in R3 will be easily matched

Just don’t want him going to Fremantle
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Apologies if someone else has replied already, but don’t forget that you can match with future points and take a deficit in to the future draft.

Deficit comes off the same round as the bid was made. So if the bid is in the third round, then deficit comes off your F3.

Also, fair chance your fourth round pick will move up significantly by the time a bid comes for your last kid.
 
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briztoon said:
OK, some of it's been explained to you, here's the rest. Essentially it amounts to draft tampering within the rules.

Teams can only take the same amount of draft picks to draft as they have list spots. But once the draft starts, it's open season on shenanigans.

We (the Lions) had 6 draft picks at the start of the draft: 27, 34, 42, 43, 49, 58.

When the draft started we traded pick 27 to the Bulldogs for 35 & 48.

When then flipped 34, 35 and 58 to Essendon for 40, 46, 53, 54.

So when the bid on Levi came, we actually held picks 40, 42, 43, 46, 48, 49, 53 & 54.

The first pick "used" moves up the draft order to where the bid is made, the next few picks move back to the end of the draft, and if there are residual points left over from a pick, it creates a "new" pick to the value of that pick.

So the Ashcroft bid used picks 40, 42, 43 and 46. Not all of pick 46 was used up, and it created a "new" pick at 68. And two end of draft picks at 94 and 97.

Because 3 picks slid back in the draft, our remaining picks all moved up 3 spots, and ALSO "acquired" to points values of those picks. So 48 moved up to 45 and acquired more points, 49 moved up to 46 etc.

So we now held 45, 46, 50, 51, 68, 94 & 97.

When the Sam Marshall bid came in, our picks had moved up further, because of the Lombard and Kako bids using up more picks, so we held 43, 44, 48, 49 and 66.

We used 43 and 44 to match Marshall bid, and got back pick 57 due to residual points creating a "new" pick.

With more bids on other nga's and father sons coming in before the bid on Ty Gallop, our remaining picks moved up further, and you saw us trading them out for future 3rds. 57 and 66 moved right up to the late 40's and mid 50's, and those picks in the 90's moved right up to the 60's.


As a side note. **** Geelong. Geelong flew Gallop down last week for an interview, so we knew the bid was coming.

He's a 196cm, Hawkins type of KPF. Not saying he's as good as, just that's his playing style.
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The only part of this post that I understand is "**** Geelong".

Which I'm completely ok with.
 
Keys said:
You can have as many as you like but bear in mind they are paid whilst they’re at the club, albeit on minimum chips
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Hi Keys, can you confirm this as I thought it was two players at a time per spare list spot for SSP
 
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