List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

[Keys]

Quick links

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• Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)
• Provisional 2025 Draft order

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

List Spots Available

• One on either main OR rookie list to be filled as a SSP selection following train on assessments

Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[Seadog]

For pick twenty seven Richmond got North’s future first

So yes, it was a bad deal

So we shouldn't do any deals in case someone does a worse one later in the draft.

 

[briztoon]

Not sure that was the point.

I was simply saying young Cooper isn’t as good as his reputation appears to be and is no certainty to be picked up.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t the academies brought in to encourage more players from non traditional or disadvantaged backgrounds? Kids that wouldn’t otherwise play football.

You are sort of wrong.

The academies in Northern states were set up to try and attract and keep kids in AFL pathways.

We are competing against two other different, more popular codes of football (it’s certainly debatable that Rugby Union is more popular).

We (all four northern clubs) have repeatedly lost kids to league and union up here, because the pathways for those football codes are different to AFL.

All NRL clubs have junior feeder clubs in to what are essentially underage NRL team academies that feed straight in to the U21, then reserves, then senior team.

So an 8 year old, if he’s good enough, can progress from his junior club all the way up to the senior team. Without leaving his home and suburb.

Also, top kids by the ages of 14 to 16 are on junior contracts that pay $10k+ per, and get full medical coverage from their club.

By 17 and 18, the very best kids are getting multi million dollar contracts.

There are no rookie contracts, etc in NRL or RU, it’s straight on to big boy wages.

Regardless of talent it’s pretty hard to say Hodge’s son fits that category. Same as Jeff White. If I’ve got it right. (???)

The northern academies are supposed to provide a similar pathway to NRL, straight from junior footy, in to the academies and in to the senior squad, for kids who are good enough. Something that kids up here are familiar and used to.

Except our academies still aren’t full time, compared to the other codes academies. This will only happen if the AFL incorporate the northern academies in to the CTL U16 & U18 competitions.

There are still big arguments from the QAFL clubs that they lose a lot of their kids to the part time nature of the academies, often for pointless preseason and end of season Mickey mouse competitions.

 

[Schtinker]

end of season mikey mouse competitions.

Is he Mickey Mouses son?

 

[Obeanie1]

Yeah, same with NDaicos going 4th in 2021 and Will Ashcroft going behind Cadman in 2022. No idea why this happens. I assume it’s just clubs scratching each other’s backs so that they’ll get payback when it’s their turn for a father son pick. But it makes the whole system even more of a farce than it already is.

Its been discussed and even debated in articles.

No way Tigers bid after a chummy pick swap for points earlier with the Lions.

There was another pick trade for points and the media comment was " wonder if they will bid after thais deal.

The AFL came out in an article saying they where concerned about seperate deals done with a shake of the hand and a side deal that a club wouldtr bid on an academy kid or FS.

And that is exactly what is happening.

The AFL should fix this by making bids itself representing the integrity of the draft. Because if it hasnt kearned yet, clubs will find loopholes and do sneaky deals to get ahead. How the AFL thoulht clubs would set the market rates by bidding at true value. They dont and never will.

 

[Keys]

In hindsight this little leak may have netted us pick 44 and forced port to do the trade

Potentially, but I think it was more Fremantle trying to trade up to get ahead of Port for Berry that forced their hand

Honestly something I'd never thought about

Weird question that you may or may not know the answer to, but do those payments go under the salary cap?

Don’t know for certain but I’m pretty sure they don’t go into the salary cap - they’re not actually listed players which is what the cap is for

However, the soft cap on football department spending is a different matter - think train on money goes into that which is why they limit how many trains on they look at

It was a shame St Kilda managed to jump in before we took Boxshall but happy with Gross and Grego all the same.

We’d likely have taken Boxshall, Gross and then Grego if he was still there at 65 instead of Davis

Now way of us knowing though if another club had interest in Grego

So missed Boxshall, got Davis. Not sure there’s a big difference, especially considering Davis was the higher rated player going in to the draft

Hi Keys, can you confirm this as I thought it was two players at a time per spare list spot for SSP

I think you might be correct on the two players at a time bit, however you can still trial more players if you want. Just not at the same time

 

[southcoast]

For pick twenty seven Richmond got North’s future first

So yes, it was a bad deal

Not sure Norfs trading and drafting should be the benchmark.


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[Hook461123]

I think it’s pretty ironic that after telling us all year that Reid is going to leave and want go home Freo now have their own Reid to worry about.

 

[Keys]

Hi Keys, can you confirm this as I thought it was two players at a time per spare list spot for SSP

Found this in an article on CODE talking about train on players at some of the Vic clubs

Clubs can have two players train per open list spot, and last summer those players were paid $1000 per week to put their hands up.

 

[eaglevision]

Found this in an article on CODE talking about train on players at some of the Vic clubs

This is from the 2023 rules, d) would suggest we can trial a few players. Not sure if there is more to it under other sections.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Anyone got footage of Collingwood's bid on Sydney academy player, and then their reaction when Sydney didn't match?

And also Freo's Reid reaction

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Stars of the future: 10 draft prospects to watch in 2025

Callum Twomey looks ahead to the best prospects for the 2025 Telstra AFL Draft

www.afl.com.au

I want to stress the importance of coming out of the draft with such a good haul but keeping our future hand so strong.

We went into this week holding a great hand and only had to use our F3 to get back in. So our draft hand for 2025 is :
2 x F1 (own and Hawks)
2 x F2 (own and Hawks)
1 x F3 (Hawks)

Based on the 2024 finishing positions, that gives us the following picks:
3, 14, 21, 32 and 50

So it will be interesting to see what happens and great that we have 2 people in the 2 roles to provide checks and balances. What can Clarke do with the picks in the trade space (and let us assume Matty goes to school with negotiations 101 or The Don gives him the right supports) versus what Massey can do in the recruitment space.


Some changes from 2024
1. There are no Norf priority picks (about freaking time)
2. The points system will be different with points only allocated to picks in the first 3 rounds
3. There is only a 10% discount for NGA, Northern Academy and Father/Sons with the minimum discount will be 84 points.
4. We are expecting to be able to trade 2 years in advance and there is also an expectation to be able to trade picks in the mid season draft.

For more of the details https://www.afl.com.au/news/1185295...future-pick-trades-on-hold-nga-rule-to-change


It is an early call but 2025 looks like another strong draft class however there a load of "club tied" prospects looming as op prospects in the first 2 rounds. I always find it hard to predict this far out as the talls are usually only starting to slow in their growth and many are re-finding their coordination. I am also going early to say that we will have a strong WA load of prospects. ROYAL EAGLE and Monocle are probably better steeped in the outlook but I think it is a very good one.

Here are some names for you to put to one side and pull out next year

Fred Rodriguez - a balanced midfielder from South Freo and I see him as a top 5 prospect. If you are disappointed in giving away 3 this year, from current form this guy is right up there. Not sure why Cal did not include him in the top list and whatever we do with possible trades for Warner, I am keen to (wait for it). He is a strong bodied and hard at it with good leg speed and high physicality meaning Mini will love him.

(this will be my battle cry going into 2025)

Cody Curtin - brother of Dan but different in that he is nearing 200cm and is a KPP and likes being a KPP. Played mainly CHB for Claremont but also played late in the season as a KPF and kick a couple of bags of 4 goals. Has been under the watchful eye of Steve Malaxos at Scotch. Can we get little brother and lure big brother home? He was gangly and uncoordinated at the start of the year but is fast rising to be a R1 pick in 2025.

Sam Swadling - West Perth midfielder who's come from nowhere during the year. The AFL Academy are a bit slow because I thought he deserved a chance to play in the Futures game at the GF weekend. If he was with Sandringham, I suspect he would have been included. If his improvement continues next season, watch out. I see him as a late R1 or R2 prospect already. His skills are very good and he manoeuvrers in traffic brilliantly.


I will keep it as the top 3 as at this stage, these are the 3 that would be top 20 to 30 in many recruitment teams. They also maybe fit in the 2 x F1 picks that we hold. They will also be a keen barometer as to how much we want Warner and what we should be prepared to pay in picks.

With 2 x R2 and Hawks R3, we are in a good position to match the bids with the new points and bidding system. And we 3 good prospects which is brilliant.


2025 WA Club Tied
West Coast
Charlie Banfield - son of Drew. Has been under the watchful eye of Steve Malaxos at Scotch. Utility that can play half back, wing or half forward. Faster that his older brother Bailey and i'd like to see him get more of it and I'm hoping that comes with confidence. Malaxos made a comment at the Vic Country game that he is just starting to feel comfortable at the higher level.
Wes Walley - NGA. I thought he had a better carnival that Walley. A small forward that will bring some real wow factor. He has special skills and seems to kick goals from anywhere inside 50 when you least expect it.
Koby Evans - NGA. I have no idea exactly where he will play but he is seriously quick. Raw but watch to see what happens under our development team and Hurn. probably another forward but he is 187cm.

Freo
Toby Whan - NGA 182cm utility that is a very smooth moving balanced midfielder who is the quintessential leftie.
Basil Hart - NGA at 185cm probably more of an outside midfielder.
McManus - son of Shaun and OK but not brilliant

So Freo and West Coast will likely be happy with their lots and not be cutting each others grass.

Both clubs will be keen on Warner.
Freo have a decent set of future picks with all their own and Richmond's F3

 

[Elite Pete]

Bet there will be a couple more train ons

Read today that you can only have two per list spot

Clubs can have two players train per open list spot, and last summer those players were paid $1000 per week to put their hands up.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Stars of the future: 10 draft prospects to watch in 2025

Callum Twomey looks ahead to the best prospects for the 2025 Telstra AFL Draft

www.afl.com.au

I want to stress the importance of coming out of the draft with such a good haul but keeping our future hand so strong.

We went into this week holding a great hand and only had to use our F3 to get back in. So our draft hand for 2025 is :
2 x F1 (own and Hawks)
2 x F2 (own and Hawks)
1 x F3 (Hawks)

Based on the 2024 finishing positions, that gives us the following picks:
3, 14, 21, 32 and 50

So it will be interesting to see what happens and great that we have 2 people in the 2 roles to provide checks and balances. What can Clarke do with the picks in the trade space (and let us assume Matty goes to school with negotiations 101 or The Don gives him the right supports) versus what Massey can do in the recruitment space.


Some changes from 2024
1. There are no Norf priority picks (about freaking time)
2. The points system will be different with points only allocated to picks in the first 3 rounds
3. There is only a 10% discount for NGA, Northern Academy and Father/Sons with the minimum discount will be 84 points.
4. We are expecting to be able to trade 2 years in advance and there is also an expectation to be able to trade picks in the mid season draft.

For more of the details https://www.afl.com.au/news/1185295...future-pick-trades-on-hold-nga-rule-to-change


It is an early call but 2025 looks like another strong draft class however there a load of "club tied" prospects looming as op prospects in the first 2 rounds. I always find it hard to predict this far out as the talls are usually only starting to slow in their growth and many are re-finding their coordination. I am also going early to say that we will have a strong WA load of prospects. ROYAL EAGLE and Monocle are probably better steeped in the outlook but I think it is a very good one.

Here are some names for you to put to one side and pull out next year

Fred Rodriguez - a balanced midfielder from South Freo and I see him as a top 5 prospect. If you are disappointed in giving away 3 this year, from current form this guy is right up there. Not sure why Cal did not include him in the top list and whatever we do with possible trades for Warner, I am keen to (wait for it). He is a strong bodied and hard at it with good leg speed and high physicality meaning Mini will love him.

View attachment 2173666 (this will be my battle cry going into 2025)

Cody Curtin - brother of Dan but different in that he is nearing 200cm and is a KPP and likes being a KPP. Played mainly CHB for Claremont but also played late in the season as a KPF and kick a couple of bags of 4 goals. Has been under the watchful eye of Steve Malaxos at Scotch. Can we get little brother and lure big brother home? He was gangly and uncoordinated at the start of the year but is fast rising to be a R1 pick in 2025.

Sam Swadling - West Perth midfielder who's come from nowhere during the year. The AFL Academy are a bit slow because I thought he deserved a chance to play in the Futures game at the GF weekend. If he was with Sandringham, I suspect he would have been included. If his improvement continues next season, watch out. I see him as a late R1 or R2 prospect already. His skills are very good and he manoeuvrers in traffic brilliantly.


I will keep it as the top 3 as at this stage, these are the 3 that would be top 20 to 30 in many recruitment teams. They also maybe fit in the 2 x F1 picks that we hold. They will also be a keen barometer as to how much we want Warner and what we should be prepared to pay in picks.

With 2 x R2 and Hawks R3, we are in a good position to match the bids with the new points and bidding system. And we 3 good prospects which is brilliant.


2025 WA Club Tied
West Coast
Charlie Banfield - son of Drew. Has been under the watchful eye of Steve Malaxos at Scotch. Utility that can play half back, wing or half forward. Faster that his older brother Bailey and i'd like to see him get more of it and I'm hoping that comes with confidence. Malaxos made a comment at the Vic Country game that he is just starting to feel comfortable at the higher level.
Wes Walley - NGA. I thought he had a better carnival that Walley. A small forward that will bring some real wow factor. He has special skills and seems to kick goals from anywhere inside 50 when you least expect it.
Koby Evans - NGA. I have no idea exactly where he will play but he is seriously quick. Raw but watch to see what happens under our development team and Hurn. probably another forward but he is 187cm.

Freo
Toby Whan - NGA 182cm utility that is a very smooth moving balanced midfielder who is the quintessential leftie.
Basil Hart - NGA at 185cm probably more of an outside midfielder.
McManus - son of Shaun and OK but not brilliant

So Freo and West Coast will likely be happy with their lots and not be cutting each others grass.

Both clubs will be keen on Warner.
Freo have a decent set of future picks with all their own and Richmond's F3

Ah there might not be a norf PP, but there will be a norf band 1 compo pick for LDU!!

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[Obeanie1]

Tend to agree but it sounds like we’re looking for a more mature player rather than another 18 year old

We still need a mature ruck to halve contests at a min.

And a key defender.

Either provide decent depth for both sides benefit.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I am thinking there will be loads of offers to move up the boards in 2025. The pointy end has some special talents.

Dyson Sharp looks a clear favourite and the guy has already played SANFL as a bottom ager, and he did not look out of place in the finals for Central Districts. I would expect the Crows and Port to be salivating and be ready to offer multiple R1 picks to get him.

Duursma will be the 4th of the offspring to be drafted and from what I see, they keep getting better. Watch the Vic clubs come hard for that pick and he will be in the very pointy end.

QLD well represented with Lions having another bloody top midfielder in Annables and Suns have another top 10 prospects in Uwland and another possible 3 later in R1/R2 talents in Addisall, Murray and Patterson. Meanwhile Sydney has 2 late R1/early R2 in Carmichael and Chamberlain.

Thomas McGuane is a Pies F/S while Kalani White will need to decide F/S to Demons or Academy to Suns. I It will likely change but right now I don't see R1 in either of these prospects.

 

[Godfather32]

Anyone got footage of Collingwood's bid on Sydney academy player, and then their reaction when Sydney didn't match?

And also Freo's Reid reaction

Also Cockburns reaction to GC taking Knobel

 

[twce13]

Ah there might not be a norf PP, but there will be a norf band 1 compo pick for LDU!!

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Least LDU is actually worth that.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

LDU is a Restricted FA meaning Norf with their massive salary cap can match.

Surely he will be better value than a draft pick 5 prospect!

The Bont is the only Unrestricted FA that I can envisage that would trigger a band 1.

There may be Restricted FA players that a club would not match. Not sure on that list but it will include Oscar, Bayshaw, Draper, Starcevich, et al

 

[amazingjoshy]

I think it’s pretty ironic that after telling us all year that Reid is going to leave and want go home Freo now have their own Reid to worry about.

They're still such a little brother

 

[squashface]

I’m sure there will be some random spud who the AFL use their magic bean formula to generate a Band 1 compo for.

McKay/Battle areas.

 

[Keys]

I’m sure there will be some random spud who the AFL use their magic bean formula to generate a Band 1 compo for.

McKay/Battle areas.

Shouldn’t forget that whilst Parryman is a decent enough player he had no right generating band 1 compo either. It was just less obvious because GWS finished higher so it was pick 16 rather than a top 10 pick

Similar for Cumming who shouldn’t have been band 2

Ironically, the one compo pick they got right was band 4 for Graham which indirectly impacted us in the Baker trade as it might have been different if Richmond received band 3

 

[Schtinker]

Nephew of motorsport icon gets Eagles training call-up

Sandy Brock, the nephew of late Australian motorsport legend Peter Brock, will train with West Coast this pre-season.

thewest.com.au

Sandy Brock, the nephew of late Australian motorsport legend Peter Brock, will train with West Coast this pre-season. The 21-year-old was delisted by Gold Coast after three seasons on their rookie list without playing a game, having joined the club as an academy selection. Brock will train with the club alongside delisted Eagle Coby Burgiel as the pair attempt to secure an AFL lifeline during the pre-season supplementary period.

The Eagles are also reportedly considering delisted Hawthorn pair Denver Grainger-Barras and Ethan Phillips to boost their key defensive stocks following the loss of premiership defender Tom Barrass

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Tom Barrass

Age

29

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

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[Boohemian]

I want to stress the importance of coming out of the draft with such a good haul but keeping our future hand so strong.

We went into this week holding a great hand and only had to use our F3 to get back in. So our draft hand for 2025 is :
2 x F1 (own and Hawks)
2 x F2 (own and Hawks)
1 x F3 (Hawks)

Based on the 2024 finishing positions, that gives us the following picks:
3, 14, 21, 32 and 50

Is it odd that I hope that we don't go after Chad Warner?

The club already feels completely different now with the young players that we've brought in. But with a draft hand like that for 2025, you'd probably think that we would be in a good position to nail down the remaining missing pieces necessary to finish up the rebuild.

It would just be about getting games and experience into the lads at that point.

Warner would upset the applecart significantly, and require us to relinquish significant draft capital. Typically you'd trade in players of his ilk once all the other pieces are in place - I think it's a little premature to be chasing a player like Chad Warner.

 

[6285sutto]

Is it odd that I hope that we don't go after Chad Warner?

The club already feels completely different now with the young players that we've brought in. But with a draft hand like that for 2025, you'd probably think that we would be in a good position to nail down the remaining missing pieces necessary to finish up the rebuild.

It would just be about getting games and experience into the lads at that point.

Warner would upset the applecart significantly, and require us to relinquish significant draft capital. Typically you'd trade in players of his ilk once all the other pieces are in place - I think it's a little premature to be chasing a player like Chad Warner.

I heard WCE can walk him to the preseason draft and get him for nothing I also heard he is also going to name change to Chad Baker so we can all feel better about the Baker situation