List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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TwoStriders said:
Is it too soon after the Baker trade to ask if we should think about splitting pick 12?

Feels like there are a lot of nice prospects across a spread of positions projected from the late-teens to early 30s in this draft. And a few clubs with multiple picks in this range (GWS: 15, 16 and 21. RIC: 18, 20, 23 and 24. SYD: 19 and 22.)

Rebounding defenders: H. Oliver/A. Clark
Key position defenders: L. Trainor/M. Whitlock
Athletic mids: C. Hynes/H. Boxshall
Forward/mids: T. Hotton/H. Davis
Ruck/Tall utility: K. Gerran

Would we rather say Allan and Davis at 12 and 26 or something like Oliver, M. Whitlock and Hynes across 20, 23 and 26?
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Id rather use a f2 to get back into the 2nd round than split 12.
12 must stay and we chase one of Allan, Travaglia or Lindsay, either of the 3 is fine.
If all 3 are gone then somebody else will have slid like a mid or Tauru who we should just take instead
 
Obeanie1 said:
That is what Maric on the wing is for.

He is the point of difference taller matchup, really strong overhead with elite field kicking.

But yes, using the old "dead wing" every now and again would help spread the defense and make us less predictable.

That was the biggest WTF in my mind with the dead / defensive wing game plan. We became so predictable and easy to defeand against. As soon as the opposition know what you are doing and you are predictable, you dont have a chance in hell.
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Maric on the wing is a waste .

He has the height as a 3rd tall and we can feed him the ball in the backline .
 
Keys said:
Yep. Which is why splitting pick 3, whilst being something I’d rather we didn’t do, isn’t as catastrophic as some have made out

This is just an observation not directed at anyone in particular, but back when we still had pick 3 there was no shortage of posters pointing out flaws in all of the top candidates.

And I do mean all. Smith was a new Masten, O’Sullivan had questionable disposal, Lalor didn’t get enough ball, Langford too slow, Smillie was a man child, Draper too small etc etc

As soon as we traded 3, they’ve all become superstars and their respective flaws have vanished

Simultaneously, the weaknesses of those we might take at 12 are being amplified with the one exception of Travaglia who is expected not to last to our pick
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Now from "nature of a even draft" to "human nature".
Note: Any good story requires protagonist and antagonist to make it interesting.
 
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Someone asked about Xavier Lindsay recently and I hadn’t seen this updated write up on Rookie Me which I think is spot on. Again suggests that he need to be more selective with the long kick but has a very nicely rounded game. Would be a great pick for us, even if he did start on a HBF or wing.

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/xavier-lindsay/

Gippsland Power / Victoria Country

DRAFT RANGE: 12-20

SUMMARY:

Clubs in the market for consistent, tough and damaging players who can fulfil a variety of roles should look no further than Lindsay. He firms as a genuine top 20 talent who could feature anywhere within night one of the draft – potentially just outside the first 10 picks. Likely to slot in as a half-back or wingman early in his AFL career, Lindsay offers good scope as a midfielder and his productive ball use suits the way many sides like to shift the ball quickly from end to end. Left footers just look a class above at times, and he fits that bill.

STRENGTHS:

  • Ball use
  • Consistency
  • Inside-outside balance
  • Kick penetration
  • Versatility
  • Work rate

IMPROVEMENTS:

  • Endurance
  • Inside craft

Lindsay is a player whose improvement areas are difficult to identify given he does so many things well, and has no glaring weaknesses. His best trait is arguably his ball use, credit to a raking left-foot kick when is often used to penetrate the attacking 50. He uses the ball well on the run, either wheeling away from stoppages or chaining possessions on the outside. Lindsay makes the right decisions and is largely effective in the short and long-range.

If being pedantic, Lindsay's kicking is perhaps at its best when lowering his eyes. He is adept at gaining quick metres and compounding them by launching the ball long, but looks so slick when darting short passes inside, down the line, or to leading targets inside 50. Either way, he generates great momentum in attacking phases either as a connective outside runner or clearance winner.

Having cut his teeth as a wingman and defender, Lindsay began to gain midfield exposure late last year and that was his primary position for Gippsland in 2024. He still reverted back to that original posting at times for Vic Country and the AFL Academy, but came into the year wanting to improve his inside craft and followed through to average 5.4 clearances from 23.4 disposals in the Coates Talent League.

In that sense, Lindsay gets a big tick for versatility. He has maintained his quality on the wing and flanks while improving his contested work and enjoying stints up forward. Few others have the same kind of inside-outside balance as he is developing, and continuing to build his endurance base will only widen his scope. It will also lend to greater durability and see him become even more prolific from contest to contest.

Lindsay's consistency is felt through his work rate and week-on-week output. He is capable of racking up bulk possessions as a designated kicker or go-to at the centre bounces, hardly wavering in his ability to have between 20-30 touches. Even if he doesn't his ball use makes him a high-impact type. While most midfielders' defensive running could improve, Lindsay has also shown an appetite for tackling and hunts the opposition.

He's the type of leader who can drive standards and lead by example. He did so with a relatively young Gippsland group this year having garnered tips from a squad which produced six draftees in 2023, and one as an over-ager in 2024. Having had arguably his best outing on the biggest of stages - the National Championships final - Lindsay proved he can rise to the occasion and compete with the best of the best.
 
Shueygod said:
I just disagree that 8 and 12 in the 22 draft are “no man’s land”, Ginbey is probably the 3rd or 4th best performed player in the draft. There wasn’t a top prospect without question marks anyway, I’d love to know who this “blue chip mid” is in both this and the 22 draft.



Just think this is massive revisionist history, Sheezel certainly had question marks on his midfield productivity, beating up the Coates league in a dominant team didn’t answer those for the majority of people.

Hewett had 29 and 2 in a state champs game, 31 and a goal in WAFL reserves. You are kidding yourself if you don’t believe he would’ve been similarly dominating the WAFL colts league.
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The Coates Talent League is not the WAFL colts.

The average CTL side would beat most of the Colts sides by about 15 goals.

Sheezel played about 3 games in the midfield for the year and got mid 30’s every time. He then proceeded to kick 64 goals in all competitions as a permanent forward.

My question marks on Sheezel predraft were actually his foot speed as a forward at AFL level and being able to gain separation.
 
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Mattman93 said:
While you're here, you got any testing data for WCE prospects of interest who didn't test at the Combine? (Namely, Hynes and Lindsay)
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I have Hynes data, but won’t release it publicly just yet.

Fairly stock standard across the board.

You should be most concerned with the tarpies new R1 pick for him.
 
eaglevision said:
Someone asked about Xavier Lindsay recently and I hadn’t seen this updated write up on Rookie Me which I think is spot on. Again suggests that he need to be more selective with the long kick but has a very nicely rounded game. Would be a great pick for us, even if he did start on a HBF or wing.

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/xavier-lindsay/

Gippsland Power / Victoria Country

DRAFT RANGE: 12-20

SUMMARY:

Clubs in the market for consistent, tough and damaging players who can fulfil a variety of roles should look no further than Lindsay. He firms as a genuine top 20 talent who could feature anywhere within night one of the draft – potentially just outside the first 10 picks. Likely to slot in as a half-back or wingman early in his AFL career, Lindsay offers good scope as a midfielder and his productive ball use suits the way many sides like to shift the ball quickly from end to end. Left footers just look a class above at times, and he fits that bill.

STRENGTHS:

  • Ball use
  • Consistency
  • Inside-outside balance
  • Kick penetration
  • Versatility
  • Work rate

IMPROVEMENTS:

  • Endurance
  • Inside craft

Lindsay is a player whose improvement areas are difficult to identify given he does so many things well, and has no glaring weaknesses. His best trait is arguably his ball use, credit to a raking left-foot kick when is often used to penetrate the attacking 50. He uses the ball well on the run, either wheeling away from stoppages or chaining possessions on the outside. Lindsay makes the right decisions and is largely effective in the short and long-range.

If being pedantic, Lindsay's kicking is perhaps at its best when lowering his eyes. He is adept at gaining quick metres and compounding them by launching the ball long, but looks so slick when darting short passes inside, down the line, or to leading targets inside 50. Either way, he generates great momentum in attacking phases either as a connective outside runner or clearance winner.

Having cut his teeth as a wingman and defender, Lindsay began to gain midfield exposure late last year and that was his primary position for Gippsland in 2024. He still reverted back to that original posting at times for Vic Country and the AFL Academy, but came into the year wanting to improve his inside craft and followed through to average 5.4 clearances from 23.4 disposals in the Coates Talent League.

In that sense, Lindsay gets a big tick for versatility. He has maintained his quality on the wing and flanks while improving his contested work and enjoying stints up forward. Few others have the same kind of inside-outside balance as he is developing, and continuing to build his endurance base will only widen his scope. It will also lend to greater durability and see him become even more prolific from contest to contest.

Lindsay's consistency is felt through his work rate and week-on-week output. He is capable of racking up bulk possessions as a designated kicker or go-to at the centre bounces, hardly wavering in his ability to have between 20-30 touches. Even if he doesn't his ball use makes him a high-impact type. While most midfielders' defensive running could improve, Lindsay has also shown an appetite for tackling and hunts the opposition.

He's the type of leader who can drive standards and lead by example. He did so with a relatively young Gippsland group this year having garnered tips from a squad which produced six draftees in 2023, and one as an over-ager in 2024. Having had arguably his best outing on the biggest of stages - the National Championships final - Lindsay proved he can rise to the occasion and compete with the best of the best.
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Ahhh I’m all in on Lindsay now
 
Sphynx said:
I have Hynes data, but won’t release it publicly just yet.

Fairly stock standard across the board.

You should be most concerned with the tarpies new R1 pick for him.
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Yeah, have noted as such. Not that I'm concerned; just aware that we're interested and would probably have to go early at 12 if at all.

Who's jumping on Hannaford then? (Wish we would but don't think so)
 
Keys said:
Yep. Which is why splitting pick 3, whilst being something I’d rather we didn’t do, isn’t as catastrophic as some have made out

This is just an observation not directed at anyone in particular, but back when we still had pick 3 there was no shortage of posters pointing out flaws in all of the top candidates.

And I do mean all. Smith was a new Masten, O’Sullivan had questionable disposal, Lalor didn’t get enough ball, Langford too slow, Smillie was a man child, Draper too small etc etc

As soon as we traded 3, they’ve all become superstars and their respective flaws have vanished

Simultaneously, the weaknesses of those we might take at 12 are being amplified with the one exception of Travaglia who is expected not to last to our pick
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Have other clubs traded down the way we have?
 
flamingEMBERS said:
Ahhh I’m all in on Lindsay now
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It’s just one opinion but that write up is a detailed version of what I posted initially and pretty much how I view him as a player. noobermensch has put together some great footage of him, the good and the bad. If you’re only going to watch one have a look at the champs highlights against quality opposition. On talent I think he’s going to be best available at pick 12 and certainly the best fit position wise.

I’d take Travaglia over him or a sliding Langford or Smillie but the chances of any of them still being on the board are remote thanks to our genius pick trades.
 
Mattman93 said:
Yeah, have noted as such. Not that I'm concerned; just aware that we're interested and would probably have to go early at 12 if at all.

Who's jumping on Hannaford then? (Wish we would but don't think so)
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Hannaford seems to be quite polarising one way or the other. Doggies very keen on him but I have concerns on his ability at the next level. Good repeat efforts but a poor tank. Not for me and certainly not at 12.
 

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Keys said:
Yep. Which is why splitting pick 3, whilst being something I’d rather we didn’t do, isn’t as catastrophic as some have made out

This is just an observation not directed at anyone in particular, but back when we still had pick 3 there was no shortage of posters pointing out flaws in all of the top candidates.

And I do mean all. Smith was a new Masten, O’Sullivan had questionable disposal, Lalor didn’t get enough ball, Langford too slow, Smillie was a man child, Draper too small etc etc

As soon as we traded 3, they’ve all become superstars and their respective flaws have vanished

Simultaneously, the weaknesses of those we might take at 12 are being amplified with the one exception of Travaglia who is expected not to last to our pick
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You do realise those weakness at that arange is just a scratch right?

The weaknesses from pick 12 and above is gigantic. Its potentially bust territory.

We are considering a dude that tore his acl as the pick of the crop (Taj hotten)

We wre considering a dude that tore his something as a pick of the crop (Lindsay)

We are considering a player who averages at best 15-20 possessions at junior level (Bo Allen)

That's ****ing horrific
 
Keys said:
Yep. Which is why splitting pick 3, whilst being something I’d rather we didn’t do, isn’t as catastrophic as some have made out

This is just an observation not directed at anyone in particular, but back when we still had pick 3 there was no shortage of posters pointing out flaws in all of the top candidates.

And I do mean all. Smith was a new Masten, O’Sullivan had questionable disposal, Lalor didn’t get enough ball, Langford too slow, Smillie was a man child, Draper too small etc etc

As soon as we traded 3, they’ve all become superstars and their respective flaws have vanished

Simultaneously, the weaknesses of those we might take at 12 are being amplified with the one exception of Travaglia who is expected not to last to our pick
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It was "catastrophic" because we got played on both ends of the trade. Screwed for pick 3 and over paid for Baker. If they had held their nerve another 24 hours Richmond would have had picks to give us back or we could have swapped some of hawthorn's picks for Baker. At the very least we would have had more options. We blinked first, it was weak and even 2 weeks later it still sucks.
 
Mattman93 said:
As I said, it's the idea of a skillful distributor that's off base. To be fair, maybe less explicitly being sold as that so much as my sense that a lot of people are tacitly expecting that sort of player.
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Depends what you mean by distributor.
His handballing is very good. His kicking isn't exceptional, however, that's more about how he needs to lower his eyes and stop frequently electing to bomb it long. I think this will improve at the next level. He's not going to be an elite field kicker but he could certain avoid being considered a player with average-to-poor foot skills.
The emphasis has always been on Tobie's elite endurance, intercepting and defensive game along with his very good aerial ability and football IQ.
 
eaglespremiers said:
Depends what you mean by distributor.
His handballing is very good. His kicking isn't exceptional, however, that's more about how he needs to lower his eyes and stop frequently electing to bomb it long. I think this will improve at the next level. He's not going to be an elite field kicker but he could certain avoid being considered a player with average-to-poor foot skills.
The emphasis has always been on Tobie's elite endurance, intercepting and defensive game along with his very good aerial ability and football IQ.
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Watching Travaglia live at the WA game, 3 things stood out
1. He almost always impacts the contest and has great football IQ
2. His running capacity
3. His hand passing I believe is elite

In that game he was mostly off half back but that is where Vic Country needed him as Lalor was mostly forward and Hynes barely got midfield minutes

If Clarke gets us Travaglia and Baker and Owies and Graham for pick 3 and 2 picks in the 60’s, how do we feel now? That outcome would justify the action.
 
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Obeanie1 said:
That is what Maric on the wing is for.

He is the point of difference taller matchup, really strong overhead with elite field kicking.

But yes, using the old "dead wing" every now and again would help spread the defense and make us less predictable.

That was the biggest WTF in my mind with the dead / defensive wing game plan. We became so predictable and easy to defeand against. As soon as the opposition know what you are doing and you are predictable, you dont have a chance in hell.
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Yep - try snd get a 1-1 matchup that you like the looks of and the person kicking out keeps an eye on it. Play on from square & boot the ball to your team-mate's advantage.

Maybe have a sneaky second player ready to go defensive side in case things go wrong.

Just show a bit of inventiveness.
 
OldBlueEagle said:
Adam Jones on Haze and Marto this arvo predicted Bo Allan won't get past pick 10. St Kilda or Demons likely to take after combine results.
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Well it increases the chances a mid slider or TT gets to our pick then.
But I'm coming around to taking him anyway. I know there's a risk we have then have 2 players drafted to be a mid but are best suited at hbf, but on the other hand, there's probably a pretty good chance one of Ginbey or Allan becomes a good mid, with the other at HB.
 
Thought I'd have a stab at a phantom

Assumes NM trade pick 2 to Tigers for 6 and 18-ish.

Reckon there's a decent chance of one of TT or Smillie getting to our pick.

Guiding principles:
  • Have gone with the Adam Jones belief that Allan doesn't get past 10 with Melb & Stk most keen
  • I think Stk go a genuine mid & a tall fwd with their 2 picks. Think someone else to partner with King is a bigger need for them than a HBF like TT
  • There's quite a few possibilities for Rich's 10 & 11. No doubt it could go many ways. But if they go genuine mids with 1&2, then you'd expect they're looking at wings, flanks & talls at 10/11. Having that many early picks you'd think there's a chance they take the risk on Hotton. And I think they'd want at least one tall in their first 4 picks. But Shanahan might be a reach for here, & who knows whether Trainor will slide further given concussion issues.
  1. Rich - Lalor
  2. Rich - FOS
  3. Carl - Smith
  4. Adel - draper
  5. Melb - Langford
  6. NM - Tauru
  7. Stk - Reid
  8. Stk - Armstrong
  9. Melb - Allan
  10. Rich - TT/Hotton/Berry/Trainor/Shanahan/Smillie
  11. Rich - TT/Hotton/Berry/Trainor/Shanahan/Smillie
  12. WCE - decent chance one of TT or Smillie lasts
 
Sphynx said:
The Coates Talent League is not the WAFL colts.

The average CTL side would beat most of the Colts sides by about 15 goals.

Sheezel played about 3 games in the midfield for the year and got mid 30’s every time. He then proceeded to kick 64 goals in all competitions as a permanent forward.

My question marks on Sheezel predraft were actually his foot speed as a forward at AFL level and being able to gain separation.
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So you were convinced Sheezel would make an elite mid pre draft?

Never said the Coates league is wafl colts, but beating up on average kids in that dominant team didnt prove he could play midfield to an elite level, particularly opposed to Hewett tearing up one of the best state teams in the carnival.
 

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