Toast The Big 4 all getting over a million people through the gate in season 2023

[Rotayjay]

There's no point in denying that Collingwood is the biggest club. Yes Collingwood has spent time not being the number one in terms of attendances, memberships etc, but they always float back to the top eventually.

 

[Blue1980]

Seemed a bit late for a Sunday night game, even with the public holiday tomorrow. Not getting home til after 11pm would dissuade a few families.

I think rain around during the day ruined any chance over 90k

 

[Crippa13]

Why are Carlton not in the Top 20 All Time Home and Away Crowds in Western Australia vs Eagles?
Why are Carlton not in the Top 20 All Time Home and Away Crowds in Sydney. vs Swans Collingwood is there 9 times.
Why are Carlton not in the Top 20 All Time Home and Away Crowds in Sydney vs Giants
Why has Carlton never drawn more than 50,00 against Dockers in WA. Collingwood has.
Why does Collingwood have the Top 2 and 3 of the Top 4 Home and Away Crowds vs Brisbane in Qld
Why are Carlton not in the Top 20 All Time H and A crowds in Adelaide vs Crows

Point Proven

that's because Collingwood have had a better team in the last 20 years where attendance and popularity has exploded in afl. Now that carlton has a very good team you'll see how big a club we really are, 2nd only to collingwood imo. Carlton hasnt even finished top 4 in over 20 years so wait till they establish themselves as a top 4 team.

 

[gappa]

I disagree. Collingwood has the most supporters Australia wide hands down, but probably only just in front of WC. They got 90K to the Freo final at the G in 2022 when probably be lucky to have 5K going for Freo there. No one else can draw like that vs an interstate team.

If the Collingwood Melbourne fan base is undisputed, why would Carlton/Essendon have more or equal in other states than Collingwood when it probably just a factor of migration out of Melbourne for work?

We don’t migrate for work. More for those nice tropical centrelink cheques.

 

[Crippa13]

There have only been two H&A games in history that have drawn over 90,000 on a non-public holiday. Just two. Ever.

Carl-Ess in 2000 which drew over 91,000 and Rich-Carl in 2018 when the Tigers were unfurling their premiership flag.

Attendances of 90,000 just don’t happen unless it’s a public holiday. High 80’s is pretty much the limit. The game in 2000 was, in my opinion, the biggest build up to a H&A game in history and stands alone as the most insane build up to a game the sport has ever seen with one team on a 19-game win streak versus another who had won 13 of their last 14. The game had 10-week build up as the Bombers and Blues kept winning.

Coll-Ess on the Kings Eve wouldn’t have drawn 90,000 in my humble opinion. I suspect it would be high 80,000s similar to the Collingwood-Carlton Friday night game earlier this year.

90,000 just doesn’t happen on a non-public holiday unless it’s under the most extraordinary of circumstances.

I think 90k is pretty much the cap for home and away because there's been some massive games like the final round in 2022 Carl vs coll huge stakes match massive buildup and i think it was shy of 89k. Corporates must take up the remaining 10k seats and then just not turn up and locks out so many general public fans

 

[Blue1980]

When any of the big 4 are up and going, it’s negligible difference between the supporter bases.

As recently as 3 years ago many seemed certain Richmond had a bigger supporter base than Carlton and possibly Essendon.

If I was to guess the big 4 rankings of support all things being equal currently:

1. Collingwood
2. Essendon
3. Carlton
4. Richmond

All 4 will get 85-90 plus for any final they now play in though.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

At lot of chest beating here from Pies supporters about attendances and memberships etc.

Collingwood are a very competitive club, but three flags in the last sixty odd years tell's it's own story i think.

North Melbourne and the West Coast Eagles to name just two, have seen more success than Collingwood since 1958.

 

[Fadge]

At lot of chest beating here from Pies supporters about attendances and memberships etc.

Collingwood are a very competitive club, but three flags in the last sixty odd years tell's it's own story i think.

North Melbourne and the West Coast Eagles to name just two, have seen more success than Collingwood since 1958.

Can you please provide the same analysis for the following scenarios:
1. The past 12 months;
2. The past 15 years;
3. The history of the VFL/AFL.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

Can you please provide the same analysis for the following scenarios:
1. The past 12 months;
2. The past 15 years;
3. The history of the VFL/AFL.

Thanks in advance.

The fuginator bites again.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Can you please provide the same analysis for the following scenarios:
1. The past 12 months;
2. The past 15 years;
3. The history of the VFL/AFL.

Thanks in advance.

Nah 1 and 2 timelines don't suit the narrative, however over the course of the competition does (3).

So, what's the number 1 metric?, well that's obvious, what's number 2?, well that's obvious also.

3? I'd argue finals won 4? Finals played

Now average that out for all clubs for their time in the competition, then compare all the clubs, you'll find that the highest profile clubs is the most successful of all clubs over the course of the competition, and in part the reason why it has the highest overall attendances, probably tv ratings too.

Just a tip, use the AFL tables for your source.

Stuff it, I've already done it, oh and in before 'flags don't matter 100 or 50 years ago', ok then only the last flag matters then. 2022 and before don't count.

	Flags	GF	Finals Won	Finals played	Years in comp	Total averages
Ade	2	3	18	36	32
Averages	0.0625	0.0937	0.5625	1.125		1.8437
Bris	3	5	20	32	36
Averages	0.083	0.1381	0.555	0.888		1.6441
Collingwood	16	43	84	190	126
Averages	0.126	0.341	0.666	1.507		2.64
Carlton	16	29	67	142	126
Averages	0.126	0.23	0.531	1.126		2.013
Essendon	16	28	69	132	126
Averages	0.126	0.222	0.547	1.047		1.942
Fremantle	0	1	7	17	28
Averages	0	0.0357	0.25	0.607		0.8927
Geelong	10	19	59	132	126
Averages	0.0793	0.1507	0.4862	1.047		1.7632
GC	0	0	0	0	12
Averages	0	0	0	0		0
GWS	0	1	9	16	11
Averages	0	0.0909	0.8181	1.4545		2.3635
Hawthorn	13	19	53	86	98
Averages	0.1326	0.1938	0.5408	0.8775		1.7447
Melbourne	13	18	54	94	126
Averages	0.103	0.1428	0.4285	0.746		1.4204
North Melbourne	4	9	35	75	98
Averages	0.0408	0.0918	0.3571	0.7635		2.0794
Port Adelaide	1	2	13	29	26
Averages	0.0384	0.0769	0.5	1.1153		1.6153
Ricmond	13	24	56	94	115
Averages	0.113	0.2086	0.4869	0.8173		1.6258
St Kilda	1	7	22	55	126
Averages	0.0079	0.0634	0.0555	0.4365		0.6824
Syd / Sth Melb	5	18	42	94	126
Averages	0.0396	0.1428	0.3333	0.746		1.2617
West Coast	4	7	26	55	36
Averages	0.1111	0.1944	0.7222	1.5277		2.5554
WB / Footscray	2	4	21	56	98
Averages	0.0204	0.0408	0.2142	0.5714		0.8468
Fitzroy	8	13	34	59	99
	0.0808	0.1313	0.3434	0.5959		1.1514

 

[Havoc]

Interestingly, public holidays aside, Collingwood has never played in front of a crowd of 90,000 in their history. Has never happened.

We drew 92,000 against Hawthorn in a Saturday twilight fixture.. which is bigger than any Carlton v Collingwood home and away crowd ever! I find it interesting.. that Carlton v Collingwood has never drawn more than 90,000 in a home and away game!!

 

[What else we can do]

We drew 92,000 against Hawthorn in a Saturday twilight fixture.. which is bigger than any Carlton v Collingwood home and away crowd ever! I find it interesting.. that Carlton v Collingwood has never drawn more than 90,000 in a home and away game!!

I find it interesting that Carlton, Essendon and Richmond have drawn more than 90,000 to a non public holiday game. Collingwood never have in H/A

 

[Fadge]

Nah 1 and 2 timelines don't suit the narrative, however over the course of the competition does (3).

So, what's the number 1 metric?, well that's obvious, what's number 2?, well that's obvious also.

3? I'd argue finals won 4? Finals played

Now average that out for all clubs for their time in the competition, then compare all the clubs, you'll find that the highest profile clubs is the most successful of all clubs over the course of the competition, and in part the reason why it has the highest overall attendances, probably tv ratings too.

Just a tip, use the AFL tables for your source.

Stuff it, I've already done it, oh and in before 'flags don't matter 100 or 50 years ago', ok then only the last flag matters then. 2022 and before don't count.

	Flags	GF	Finals Won	Finals played	Years in comp	Total averages
Ade	2	3	18	36	32
Averages	0.0625	0.0937	0.5625	1.125		1.8437
Bris	3	5	20	32	36
Averages	0.083	0.1381	0.555	0.888		1.6441
Collingwood	16	43	84	190	126
Averages	0.126	0.341	0.666	1.507		2.64
Carlton	16	29	67	142	126
Averages	0.126	0.23	0.531	1.126		2.013
Essendon	16	28	69	132	126
Averages	0.126	0.222	0.547	1.047		1.942
Fremantle	0	1	7	17	28
Averages	0	0.0357	0.25	0.607		0.8927
Geelong	10	19	59	132	126
Averages	0.0793	0.1507	0.4862	1.047		1.7632
GC	0	0	0	0	12
Averages	0	0	0	0		0
GWS	0	1	9	16	11
Averages	0	0.0909	0.8181	1.4545		2.3635
Hawthorn	13	19	53	86	98
Averages	0.1326	0.1938	0.5408	0.8775		1.7447
Melbourne	13	18	54	94	126
Averages	0.103	0.1428	0.4285	0.746		1.4204
North Melbourne	4	9	35	75	98
Averages	0.0408	0.0918	0.3571	0.7635		2.0794
Port Adelaide	1	2	13	29	26
Averages	0.0384	0.0769	0.5	1.1153		1.6153
Ricmond	13	24	56	94	115
Averages	0.113	0.2086	0.4869	0.8173		1.6258
St Kilda	1	7	22	55	126
Averages	0.0079	0.0634	0.0555	0.4365		0.6824
Syd / Sth Melb	5	18	42	94	126
Averages	0.0396	0.1428	0.3333	0.746		1.2617
West Coast	4	7	26	55	36
Averages	0.1111	0.1944	0.7222	1.5277		2.5554
WB / Footscray	2	4	21	56	98
Averages	0.0204	0.0408	0.2142	0.5714		0.8468
Fitzroy	8	13	34	59	99
	0.0808	0.1313	0.3434	0.5959		1.1514

Interesting that the two true Powerhouses of the competition - Collingwood and West Coast - come out as 1 and 2.

That's why they are Powerhouses.

 

[Franc de Borges]

Interesting that the two true Powerhouses of the competition - Collingwood and West Coast - come out as 1 and 2.

That's why they are Powerhouses.

 

[Philhawk]

We drew 92,000 against Hawthorn in a Saturday twilight fixture.. which is bigger than any Carlton v Collingwood home and away crowd ever! I find it interesting.. that Carlton v Collingwood has never drawn more than 90,000 in a home and away game!!

One thing, there was easily 25k Hawks fans there last night.

 

[Cyclops]

The secret to being a big club is having fertile supporters who teach their kids about loyalty.

I'm playing my part!

Small clubs need to work on their personal hygiene and morals.

 

[matthew_s]

Small clubs need to work on their personal hygiene and morals.

you forgot dental.

 

[Cyclops]

you forgot dental.

Easy to forget what we dont have.

Our atrocious dental hygiene hasn't affected our birth rate.

People don't like Collingwood? Fine, we'll make our own people.

 

[Havoc]

One thing, there was easily 25k Hawks fans there last night.

Collingwood have never drawn a crowd of more than 90,000 to a home and away game... with the exception of public holidays!!

 

[jdBombers3598]

We drew 92,000 against Hawthorn in a Saturday twilight fixture.. which is bigger than any Carlton v Collingwood home and away crowd ever! I find it interesting.. that Carlton v Collingwood has never drawn more than 90,000 in a home and away game!!

If Collingwood vs Carlton became a marquee game on a public holiday or the night before they would easily get 90,000+. The AFL have pretty much run out of PH's to schedule games on so wont happen, unless they come up with something stupid like Labour Day Eve

 

[Hawkk]

If Collingwood vs Carlton became a marquee game on a public holiday or the night before they would easily get 90,000+. The AFL have pretty much run out of PH's to schedule games on so wont happen, unless they come up with something stupid like Labour Day Eve

Only options are to build our Round Zero / Round 1, return Easter Thursday to Melbourne or bring back ‘Rivarly Round?’

That said, until the mid 90s, public holiday fixtures really didnt have a big bump for attendances

 

[Crippa13]

it is interesting i agree but take anzac day match out of the equation and i'd say that carlton vs collingwood matches would be the highest averaging attended matches over any other fixture.

We drew 92,000 against Hawthorn in a Saturday twilight fixture.. which is bigger than any Carlton v Collingwood home and away crowd ever! I find it interesting.. that Carlton v Collingwood has never drawn more than 90,000 in a home and away game!!

 

[What else we can do]

it is interesting i agree but take anzac day match out of the equation and i'd say that carlton vs collingwood matches would be the highest averaging attended matches over any other fixture.

It is with 8.5 million attending with an average of 46,000 that's more than anyone else.

Interesting I found out the that on the day of 1970 GF Carl v Coll there were 121,696 in the ground 1 hour before the bounce they closed the gates and 60,000 were locked out. To this day it is the most attended sporting event in Australian sporting history and 14th most attended sporting match in the world.

 

[smasha]

It is with 8.5 million attending with an average of 46,000 that's more than anyone else.

Interesting I found out the that on the day of 1970 GF Carl v Coll there were 121,696 in the ground 1 hour before the bounce they closed the gates and 60,000 were locked out. To this day it is the most attended sporting event in Australian sporting history and 14th most attended sporting match in the world.

Richmond achieved that first with 119k attending BEFORE the 1970 granny.

 

[smasha]

The late 60's to early 70's had huge crowds attending.