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thylacine60
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Ha, of course. Idiot! Thanks, Arrow.
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To be fair, Lloyd has always been kinder to us in the media than most (IE King and Cornes)
Nice to get some positive news articles in the media for a change after the toxic diatribe thrown up by Kornes in the past few days.
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Eddie Betts' disturbing revelation about racist taunts in the AFL
The Carlton star is tired of being racially abused but is as determined as ever to call out the attacks.
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It really is astonishing when it is laid out statistically.
The other factor that makes it even harder to understand, is we have lost players early in some games and still flown home late. It's hard not to think that if Melbourne had lost a solid fit runner like Newman (and we hadn't) that we would have got over the line.
We also lost Charlie early in the Freo comeback. We lost Kreuze early in round 1 (did Tigers lose someone as well or am I imagining that?).
I, along with a couple of others in different threads, have suggested we may have become too lean/skinny/weak for the early heat/intensity. As the game slows, our fitness/stamina allows us to get back into it. Russell mentioned we lack hybrid players - guys who have burst/power and also have endurance/stamina.
Macca43 suggested we start "nervous" and then relax after falling well behind and the pressure is reduced.
It's hard to know whether it's a combination of the above 2, but I reckon we have our share of blokes that are naturally "lower intensity" players. Setterfield, Newnes, Lang, Murphy come to mind. Cuners at times. Gov seems to need a rocket mid-game to get him going.
The answer probably lies in a combination of the above 3 categories.
Nerves/belief/confidence will be rectified relatively easily when we have a win or 2.
We can't do much to change the leaner builds at this stage. We do have more powerful players on our list like Stocker, Kemp & Charlie - when they are ready.
Ideally we want less of the lower intensity players in the team at the same time - this comes down to selection and should be addressed. The way Bolton dribbled all over Stocker on draft night in regards to his "competitiveness", it is mind-boggling in shortened games that this kid can't get a look in.
Edit: From the Magoos report by Daniel O'Keefe.
13. Liam Stocker
’Stock’ was good. He went through the midfield for the majority of the day: he probably played more midfield minutes than anyone. He had quite a few strong clearances and some examples of some manic pressure on the inside, which was good.
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only once his brother came over
All that proves is the truth of the saying that “There are lies, damned lies and statistics”!
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In no way minimising the utter hell Eddie and his fellow indigenous players have suffered, yet this is in a period of resistance to racism, when we are calling it out and supporting those who have been abused - can you imagine what Syd Jackson went through back in the 60s? I can't even begin to.......
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Shows what we all watched... a complete lack of effort and intensity in Q1
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Reserves player-by-player review ...
Reserves player-by-player review v Melbourne
Daniel O'Keefe runs through each player who featured in the weekend's reserves hitout.
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Reserves player-by-player review ...
Reserves player-by-player review v Melbourne
Daniel O'Keefe runs through each player who featured in the weekend's reserves hitout.www.carltonfc.com.au
Are there any stats from this game??
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Not beyond that report. Philp 7 tackles is encouraging. The kid loves to do the tough stuff. Could have used a bit of that in the first quarter on Saturday. Sounds like he’s not far away from a debut.
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Was thinking exactly that earlier today. Absolutely horrifying to think. And realistically only have to go back to early-mid nineties and was still the same. Ie: Winmar at vic park
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the hurt level never changes..........syd and his fellow aboriginal players would have had full-on hatred and bile spat at them from every angle - how do you think he would have gone at victoria park where rather than abuse receiving recrimination it would get laughs - a competition for the most hateful comments
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Nope. And Syd overcame it to to still be a star. Tells you a lot more about him and his crazy mental toughness than the faux tough guys that racially abused him to try and put him off his game “because that’s how it was” in those days
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The 60s would have been hell for the aboriginal players every time they played in front of the big crowds anywhere,it was bad enough back then for anyone from a non-anglo background, be it at school, on the sporting field etc. It used to come from kids, parents, teachers, absolutely anyone and everyone.
We still don't have it right, but we are much further down the track in some ways.
Back then anyone who was suffering from any type of racism or discrimination was told they just had to toughen up and suck it up.
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yep, it was "toughen up" "just ignore them" "don't be so sensitive" "they were only joking" "they didn't mean it like that" etc..........
okay, the lynch mob will no doubt be hunting me down, but I wouldn't mind if Moore got some senior time before the end of the year.Reserves player-by-player review v Melbourne
Daniel O'Keefe runs through each player who featured in the weekend's reserves hitout.
Notes on Callum Moore are interesting.
From the write up Willo, LOB, Philp, Stocker, Honey and Moore sound like they were best.
Willo, Lob and Philp most likely to get a call up?
He does have some tricks....why not play him before we go the sweeping cull at year's end....
Plenty of rubbish over his short muck raking media journey actually, and one of his best was that Cripps & Fyfe were going to be traded/swapped!!! If the TRUTH newspaper was still in business he would write for them the bloody little lying bastard that just loves a headline regardless of it having no truth whatsoever. He is a cheap shot that is all about his own ego and adds nothing of any substance to the culture of the game........Jezza and his 1970 G.F. mark not being worthy of being in the top 50 marks of all time for instance, but of course like someone else said, it`s all about him putting himself on the front page to gain attention!!! It`s about time that all the journalists stopped thinking that they are more important than the game itself, and this bloke is the worst example of that........the bloody nark!!!!!
that`s what his brain is made of by the way...........
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Tackling the Blues' problem
Carlton have identified a lack of tackling early in the games as one of the common threads in their poor starts this season.www.theage.com.au
I get that newpapers are content factories these days, but that's their head footy writer doing an article about statistics without any context, and statistics without context are meaningless.
Richmond are a high tackling team that use their tackling to cause turnovers, as they are not able to win the ball on their own merits as often as their opponents can. Collingwood are a midfield power side, and while they use tackling pressure they want to win the ball then blitz their opponents in 10-15 minutes before scrapping the rest of the time. We're bad at tackling, but we are very, very good at ball winning, and it's very difficult to tackle someone when the ball's in your possession more than 50% of the time. Context is important, and just saying that Carlton are bad at tackling is lazy journalism.
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Thats not true though is it? The balls not in our possession more than 50% of the time and whilst we might be good at winning the ball, even though we were beaten in possessions, contested possessions and clearances last game, we aren’t good at winning it back, as we don’t tackle.
After saying that, I’ve just checked some stats from the weekend, Richmond smashed stats wise across the park, 70 tackles and drew.
West Coast smashed stats wise, laid 15 more tackles and lost.
GWS laid about 10 more tackles and lost.
So I get your point about it not giving the full picture, but there needs to be a stronger emphasis on tackling, as both our efforts have not been the best.
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The problem with the article isn't that it's wrong; obviously, we don't lay enough tackles, and we don't exert enough pressure on our opposition across the board. The whole thing is based of a series of stats isolated from their context. Richmond's tackling need be understood in the light of the fact that its how they win the ball, as they don't win it themselves; they're among the best examples of this, which is why I keep using them.
Tackling can be a sign of a lack of effort, but that does not immediately translate that a lack of tackling = a lack of effort always. That's my problem.
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