Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[HARKER]

Eddie has spoken in the past how he's tried to have conversations with individuals and tried to educate them on what they're actually doing in the past. For him to have called someone out like this probably means he wasn't able to do anything for this person/this isn't the first time this person has done it.

Further to that, the environment at the moment is very much to call people out for what they're doing. I think the phase we're in now is to bring attention to how frequently this actually happens. It's easy for us to act like it isn't happening that often and isn't a big deal because these guys do try and sort it out behind the scenes so there's no visibility. Now people are making it visible and I think it's a good thing as we see how often these guys are targeted.

It's about getting as many people as possible to realise how big the issue is. Once enough people accept that it's a massive issue and are motivated to help solve the problem the next stage is education, but people much smarter than I will figure out how to do that. For now, naming and shaming has it's place. Especially for anonymous profiles where no individual is damaged by the revelation that this profile is a racist alt account.

In my little life, I've rarely seen or been involved in an argument when both sides are pointing fingers at one another come to any satisfactory conclusion.
Eddie doesn't have to engage in any conversation, but to say (if he wants to) that he feels sorry for them to have the need to feel, or express themselves in such a manner. Calling these types out as animals doesn't achieve much at all. never will.

 

[lily of laguna]

I genuinely feel sorry for them.
If you're truly a racist, then you're a racist but on what grounds? What entitles you to feel better about yourself than another based upon factors outside the scope of your control?
I wouldn't call them out with hate, but call them out offering a helping hand, because they have the problem....if they think about it.
Make them think. It's much more powerful. Don't just feed them more fuel.

Telling someone that their post, comment, behaviour is out of order isnt hating on them. But your right this is the wrong thread to explore this. Peace

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[Coops93]

In my little life, I've rarely seen or been involved in an argument when both sides are pointing fingers at one another come to any satisfactory conclusion.
Eddie doesn't have to engage in any conversation, but to say (if he wants to) that he feels sorry for them to have the need to feel, or express themselves in such a manner. Calling these types out as animals doesn't achieve much at all. never will.

The difference this time, though, is the fingers are all being pointed one way. I understand your point but this time it's not a back and forth, rather everyone seemingly realising that it's time this stopped.

Calling someone out for blatant racism is getting more support than ever as we're all becoming more and more aware of how bad these things are and how easily they escalate do someone being murdered in arrogant, cold blood. It took something like that to see casual racism has enabled and almost encouraged this behavior.

Since this is a conversation relating to media articles I think this is the place for it. I fully support Eddie for doing what he did. If it was a person who had his/her names all over it maybe not, but as this is obviously an account made purely for spreading hate and as such it deserves the vitriol it's no doubt receiving.

 

[Jabba73]

I genuinely feel sorry for them.
If you're truly a racist, then you're a racist but on what grounds? What entitles you to feel better about yourself than another based upon factors outside the scope of your control?
I wouldn't call them out with hate, but call them out offering a helping hand, because they have the problem....if they think about it.
Make them think. It's much more powerful. Don't just feed them more fuel.

Spot on.

It is mostly learned behaviour, that is the truly sad part. People are taught to hate for no other reason than their parents do.

 

[HARKER]

Spot on.

It is mostly learned behaviour, that is the truly sad part. People are taught to hate for no other reason than their parents do.

No one is born racist, as you say.
It is a learned behaviour and it doesn't come about for one being at peace with oneself but quite the contrary.

There's another way to tackle this situation and hate only brings about more hate. I don't see it as being an answer to any problem. I don't think it is.

....as for Docherty. Damn.....I'd just about kneel for him given the way he explained things around Betts. Good on him. He's a wise individual.

 

[gab213]

Spot on.

It is mostly learned behaviour, that is the truly sad part. People are taught to hate for no other reason than their parents do.

Yep and it can be very difficult to turn those people who are so ingrained with it around. The saddest part of it for me is that some of those people who are racist towards certain people were the victims of racism themselves at an earlier point in time.

 

[Earls Smother]

No one is born racist, as you say.
It is a learned behaviour and it doesn't come about for one being at peace with oneself but quite the contrary.

There's another way to tackle this situation and hate only brings about more hate. I don't see it as being an answer to any problem. I don't think it is.

....as for Docherty. Damn.....I'd just about kneel for him given the way he explained things around Betts. Good on him. He's a wise individual.

This is sort of relevant to the topic, but I'm certainly not putting it in the same category as what Eddie has had to endure.
At a Bulldogs game in the mid 90's at Princes Park I got abused for being Jewish. It was the game where Brown and their dirty mids like Romero went hammer and tong all day. We won by 2 points.
My Dad was a Pom and mum an Aussie of Irish background - so I have no known Jewish ancestry. I was 30 odd, this guy would have been 50 odd - and he was at the game with a 75ish year old woman who was obviously his mum. He absolutely gave it to me on racial grounds. I distinctly remember him saying "I suppose you want to compare dicks" (that wasn't particularly offensive, but it's what I remember).
I have never hated an opposition supporter more and I have never given an opposition supporter more shit after a game than him. His mum just sat there and never said a word. I was so affected and the racism was misdirected.
I can only imagine what it must be like for people like Eddie that cop it all the time.

 

[Arr0w]

In today's environment, it is totally unacceptable

Perhaps penalties at every level need to be firmer/harsher and by that I mean education

 

[thylacine60]

about as good a 60 seconds as you will see.......

Docherty throws support behind Eddie

Co-captain Sam Docherty was clear in his support of teammate Eddie Betts in light of recent events on social media.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[DangerousD]

In regards to Cripps or any other other player.

A player and club are in a relationship where they both want the same thing, to be successful, win premierships and get paid to do so.

If after a 7 year or more relationship, its clear your partner can’t meet your needs, then who could blame anyone for walking away? Our club has turned over the list to a huge degree, cutting everyone who it deems, not able to help us achieve our goals, it’s only fair that players do the same.

Its on us, to provide an environment that makes these needs possible, of by the end of 2021, we are bottom 4 or 6, then we are a rabble.

 

[thylacine60]

If Cripps leaves he leaves and becomes an opposition player. Hope he stays.

 

[Jabba73]

If Cripps leaves he becomes 150% better as an opposition player and wins 3 Brownlow Medals. Hope he stays.

 

[agro]

Dow has knee sorness and didnt play. JSOS was taken out of the senior side due to gastro

Couldn‘t have been Jo’s cooking because Ben played in the scratch match.

 

[Accidental genius]

anyone know anymore on racial vilification of betts over the weekend? just reported on 9 morning news. some idiots just never learn.

 

[myblueroan]

anyone know anymore on racial vilification of betts over the weekend? just reported on 9 morning news. some idiots just never learn.

Yes. It was a horrible tweet. Disgusting and heartbreaking.

 

[Own The Future]

what's he said that's incorrect?

I agree Thy.
As much as I think Cornes is a footy shock jock, saying inflammatory things to get his name in the conversation, I agree with much of what he says here.

 

[footyfan1978]

Couldn‘t have been Jo’s cooking because Ben played in the scratch match.

Grace cooking ?

 

[bigm386]

I agree Thy.
As much as I think Cornes is a footy shock jock, saying inflammatory things to get his name in the conversation, I agree with much of what he says here.

Agree, I loathe Cornes he is the lowest form of media commentator.

But as much as it would hurt if Cripps had enough end of 2021, I wouldn't even be mad at him. Would 100% be the clubs fault.

That being said considering how bad we have been we haven't really lost players we wanted to keep? Maybe Henderson? Eddie we didn't seem fussed at the time sadly, from a club perspective anyway!

 

[bigm386]

I know mad me cringe thinking how many games we COULD have won!

I think what worries me is will the players start to think this is normal we will come back?

Will opposition teams go harder early knowing we are vulnerable early?

Just worrying

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

It was an Essendon supporter on twitter and was a really awful thing to tweet. He is a member and has been identified by fellow Essendon supporters and reported to the club. He is claiming to have been hacked (despite gloating after he 'got a rise' out of Carlton supporters) and is in police hands.

 

[carlton_99]

Source: AFL Website (Data relates to Carlton)

 

[F_therest]

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Source: AFL Website (Data relates to Carlton)

Lol it just doesn't make any sense how that can even be the same team.

We've all seen it with our eyes watching our games, but it's eye opening to see the stats.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Omg IT is in police hands, he’s not.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Omg IT is in police hands, he’s not.

Good, in Britain, racially villfying a black soccer player has led to jail/prison time, about time we brought that in here, to send a hardline to gutless keyboard warrior pricks who believe they have carte blanche to hide behind a keyboard and sprout ignorant hatred whilst pretending they are funny or worse, think they are hacked.

Same applies to flogs who sprout homophobia, anti-Semitism, islamaphobic etc

I am happy to say Twitter has cracked down hard on those peanuts.

 

[thylacine60]

'He can be the best centre half-back in the game'

Matthew Lloyd and Damian Barrett discuss Jacob Weitering's superb start to the season

www.afl.com.au

Weitering wrap.

"Bolton tried to make him a forward" is about as accurate as "Pagan tried to make Fevola a back".