The Law The Death Penalty

[Malifice]

No one has any idea what a global socialist state would like, because it has never existed.

Nonsense!

They'd be the same tyrannical shitholes as the Soviet Union, North Korea, and literally every other unitary party socialist State.

The State control every aspect of your life. There is no freedom of expression, no freedom of the press, no freedom of association, no private property and worse.

And dont try and say 'the socialist global State is stateless'. That's utter nonsense. Someone has to be running the socialist economy, infrastructure etc and holding guns to peoples heads who want liberal capitalism, or to start a new political party that is anti-Socialist.

The Khmer Rouge, Maoists, Che Guevara etc were anti -Marxist and utterly opposed to any socialist perspective based on the working class.

Nonsense. Their entire dogma was based on the working class (and in the Khmer Rogue, the agrarian class).

They were all nationalists...they fought for a "national solution", just like Hitler did.

Derp.

Hitler (and the Nazis) were also (partly) socialist. They never went all the way with State ownership of the means of production because they didnt want to piss of German industrialists and the Junkers.

Rhom wanted to go full socialism. So Hitler offed him.

Hitler needed the German bourgeoise on board.

This is not to say 'the Nazis were Left wing'. They were most definately not. Quite the opposite.

Of course, that's because 'socialism' is not the same thing as 'left wing'.

 

[tandino]

Beyond reasonable doubt is not a strong enough standard of proof to kill someone, so the case for the death penalty fails on that alone I feel.

 

[barreness]

Socialist states have existed, and they were more than happy to murder millions.

Ditto the fascists on the other side of the political spectrum.

On topic, under no circumstance should we have the death penalty.

I suppose the liberal ones felt really bad after they murdered millions, which is the main point after all

 

[Malifice]

I suppose the liberal ones felt really bad after they murdered millions, which is the main point after all

Liberal capitalist democracies also engage in murder, capital punishment, and war crimes, it's just we tend to do it a lot less than the Socialists and Fascists, and we tend to hold people a lot more accountable for it.

We also gloss over some of the worst stuff (Strategic bombing of Europe and Japan including Hiroshima and Nagasaki spring to mind).