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Geelong got around it.
And why can’t we use a future first?

Were not a Vic club bringing home a favourite son? but maybe we get permission, but it means missing out of a potentially good player next year from SA.

 

[Red mist]

Were not a Vic club bringing home a favourite son? but maybe we get permission, but it means missing out of a potentially good player next year from SA.

So we can use a future first. Cool

 

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So we can use a future first. Cool

Don't know we have to beg the AFL for permission,

 

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Don't know we have to beg the AFL for permission,

Don’t run around in circles man.
Yes we do and yes we should.
Milera, Galluci and Fogarty plus could be a core.

 

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Don’t run around in circles man.
Yes we do and yes we should.
Milera, Galluci and Fogarty plus could be a core.

not running around we have used our 3rd and 4th rd, picks, meaning we need the AFL permission to use our 1st rd next year. not my rules.
But even then the more I look at next crop the more I want to use our 1st next year.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Tredrea's comment is gold

He's the anti-Kane

 

[MatthewB]

Tredrea's comment is gold

He's the anti-Kane

Kane went quiet pretty quickly aswell

 

[FR0GGY]

Geelong got around it.
And why can’t we use a future first?

Geelong got around not using a certain amount of 1st in a number of years, not trading a future 1st after trading other future rounds.

 

[Geoffa32]

I dont mind that Port and their media sycophants want to cover up the party boy culture at their club.

It is a big part of why they have not won a Final since 2014 and their overall malaise since 2007.



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[WaynesWorld19]

I dont mind that Port and their media sycophants want to cover up the party boy culture at their club.

It is a big part of why they have not won a Final since 2014 and their overall malaise since 2007.



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What's happening at Port the last 2 years is twice as bad as anything that has been blown up by the media at the Crows

 

[MRB37]

What's happening at Port the last 2 years is twice as bad as anything that has been blown up by the media at the Crows

The issue is you're expecting places like CrocMedia to report facts. They're tabloid journalists who will trade favourable coverage for access. We don't give them the access, so we're on the hit list until we do.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The issue is you're expecting places like CrocMedia to report facts. They're tabloid journalists who will trade favourable coverage for access. We don't give them the access, so we're on the hit list until we do.

I'm glad I'm not the only poster with this opinion

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What's happening at Port the last 2 years is twice as bad as anything that has been blown up by the media at the Crows

Given both clubs respective poor seasons, questions should have been asked equally of both clubs by the media.

I don't have issue about the media going hard with us, because our club leadership went missing & refused to be accountable. They performed badly with the messaging & should be brought to account.

However, there was relatively little questioning of how Port could miss the finals after being incredibly well positioned with 2 months to go. Honestly not fussed if they want to hush up their issues as more interested in fixing the problems at our club.

 

[GreyCrow]

. They're tabloid journalists who will trade favourable coverage for access.

Media of the 2000s and from now on.

Its just not Croc, they happen to be the biggest player in town. 1000+ 'journos' accredited to the AFL and its easier on the inside than outside

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Given both clubs respective poor seasons, questions should have been asked equally of both clubs by the media.

I don't have issue about the media going hard with us, because our club leadership went missing & refused to be accountable. They performed badly with the messaging & should be brought to account.

However, there was relatively little questioning of how Port could miss the finals after being incredibly well positioned with 2 months to go. Honestly not fussed if they want to hush up their issues as more interested in fixing the problems at our club.

My belief is the Media had a vindictive approach to the Crows ....wouldn't accept anything that the club said, until an independent arbitrator came in ...but I still sensed in Manure's interview with Fagan, which I have to say was pretty "frosty" ...that Manure still wasn't accepting of what he was being told

But no mention by Manure of Port ....either their loss of Wingard, Polec and a swag of others

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

My belief is the Media had a vindictive approach to the Crows ....wouldn't accept anything that the club said, until an independent arbitrator came in ...but I still sensed in Manure's interview with Fagan, which I have to say was pretty "frosty" ...that Manure still wasn't accepting of what he was being told

But no mention by Manure of Port ....either their loss of Wingard, Polec and a swag of others

I couldn't care less about a load of CrocMedia as they are sensationalists that make up stories.

However, our leadership in Fagan, Chapman & Burton did little & went missing when they needed to get on the front foot. They didn't need to go to a media outlet as could have released their own statements.

Meanwhile Tex & the players were copping it as an unnecessary distraction whilst desperately trying to get our season in track.

Good leaders are the ones who stand up when it gets tough.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Media of the 2000s and from now on.

Its just not Croc, they happen to be the biggest player in town. 1000+ 'journos' accredited to the AFL and its easier on the inside than outside

It started with the drop of Newspaper Circulation numbers 10 years ago ....the tabloid headlines started as an attempt to boost circulation, but this has carried over by journalists in the on-line arena & radio, specializing in talk-back ....it's the "out there" commentary that gets irate supporters phoning in and provides the shows spark and interest

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[WaynesWorld19]

I couldn't care less about a load of CrocMedia as they are sensationalists that make up stories.

However, our leadership in Fagan, Chapman & Burton did little & went missing when they needed to get on the front foot. They didn't need to go to a media outlet as could have released their own statements.

Meanwhile Tex & the players were copping it as an unnecessary distraction whilst desperately trying to get our season in track.

Good leaders are the ones who stand up when it gets tough.

Would have been a waste ...as nothing that was being said, was being believed ....and all they would have been doing was adding fuel to the fire

We did make statements, we did say there were issues, but everything had been sorted out with the players ....this was seen as a cover up, so nothing really could have been said to appease the Sharks

 

[kirky]

Would have been a waste ...as nothing that was being said, was being believed ....and all they would have been doing was adding fuel to the fire

We did make statements, we did say there were issues, but everything had been sorted out with the players ....this was seen as a cover up, so nothing really could have been said to appease the Sharks

Agree.

It is a quite simple premise - a journo says “they were tied to trees”, club refutes suggestion, players refute suggestion, journo keeps saying “but they were tied to trees”, there is no photo evidence coz there isn’t any and yet the journo keeps on banging about it. How on god’s earth do you respond to something that never happened, probably only by asking the journo “show us the evidence for what you are saying!” Their response would be - we have to protect our sources - how the **** do you win?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Would have been a waste ...as nothing that was being said, was being believed ....and all they would have been doing was adding fuel to the fire

We did make statements, we did say there were issues, but everything had been sorted out with the players ....this was seen as a cover up, so nothing really could have been said to appease the Sharks

Trouble was that that was as deep as we went. It was Evasion 1.0 and everyone could tell something was up.

What were the issues?

We would do some things differently next time. What things?

It's fair to say that some sessions in the camp didn't resonate. What sessions? Why didn't they?

There were some things players had problems with but they were dealt with. What were the things?

We delivered on the brief. What was the brief? If you delivered on the brief why are you parting ways?

Everyone is different and different cultures take things in different ways - Tex said something like this at some stage. What caused you to reach that conclusion?

This is the type of bullshit our moronic admin tried to dish up to 'hose down' the speculation:

"Everyone in the club is obviously having to review certain issues,’’ said Chapman. ‘‘Did we have a formal review? Yes we did and those findings will remain within the club. There are some things we would do differently and we’re not glossing over that.

‘‘There are learnings from it and there are certainly things we won’t do again. That's why I love doing reviews.’’

Evasive nothingness that only creates more questions.

We gave no specifics about the problems which is why exaggeration, guesses and mistruths filled the blanks.

 

[Cap]

I couldn't care less about a load of CrocMedia as they are sensationalists that make up stories.

However, our leadership in Fagan, Chapman & Burton did little & went missing when they needed to get on the front foot. They didn't need to go to a media outlet as could have released their own statements.

Meanwhile Tex & the players were copping it as an unnecessary distraction whilst desperately trying to get our season in track.

Good leaders are the ones who stand up when it gets tough.

I agree, we are really led by some weak leaders, not unusual for SA i guess but very disappointing.

When i heard Chapmans response to Williams comments re camp was to call the AFL and ask for an investigation i realised how non confrontational we are.

17 other CEOs would have been on the phone to double A calling them out.

 

[CrowEater888]

I agree, we are really led by some weak leaders, not unusual for SA i guess but very disappointing.

When i heard Chapmans response to Williams comments re camp was to call the AFL and ask for an investigation i realised how non confrontational we are.

17 other CEOs would have been on the phone to double A calling them out.

It wouldn't have worked, more fuel on an already raging fire.

What he did, bringing in the AFL, was subtle, but far smarter.

 

[kirky]

I agree, we are really led by some weak leaders, not unusual for SA i guess but very disappointing.

When i heard Chapmans response to Williams comments re camp was to call the AFL and ask for an investigation i realised how non confrontational we are.

17 other CEOs would have been on the phone to double A calling them out.

Disagree with this as it had been going on for months and no matter what we said, we couldn’t contain the journalists who were like sharks with a wounded prey.

And do we really need to go into so much depth? Is it necessary? No. That is what the club and officials are paid to do. If you want to complain or want more answers go them directly or alternatively the members meeting later this year. We don’t need to be dealt with in the cesspool known as the media (all forms).

At the end of the day, all but one player re-signed and that had nothing to do with the camp. To me that says enough about the whole incident. If the players are happy then I’m satisfied with the outcome and steps taken.

 

[arrowman]

I agree, we are really led by some weak leaders, not unusual for SA i guess but very disappointing.

When i heard Chapmans response to Williams comments re camp was to call the AFL and ask for an investigation i realised how non confrontational we are.

17 other CEOs would have been on the phone to double A calling them out.

I'll take a little from Column A, a little from Column B. IMO the rationale for calling in the AFL as an objective / higher authority is sound; it means the club can try to break out of being accused of covering up.

But at the same time I don't think the club did as good a job of responding to the media BS and they think / claim they did. While I agree that it can be unproductive to allow yourself to be sucked in to the media game, I would have liked a bit more firm and public rebuttal as the saga went along.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Trouble was that that was as deep as we went. It was Evasion 1.0 and everyone could tell something was up.

What were the issues?

We would do some things differently next time. What things?

It's fair to say that some sessions in the camp didn't resonate. What sessions? Why didn't they?

There were some things players had problems with but they were dealt with. What were the things?

We delivered on the brief. What was the brief? If you delivered on the brief why are you parting ways?

Everyone is different and different cultures take things in different ways - Tex said something like this at some stage. What caused you to reach that conclusion?

This is the type of bullshit our moronic admin tried to dish up to 'hose down' the speculation:

Evasive nothingness that only creates more questions.

We gave no specifics about the problems which is why exaggeration, guesses and mistruths filled the blanks.

For some reason, you and others believe you're entitled to be a "fly on the wall" and receive every single detail of everything that happens in the club .....there's not a Company or Organization in existence that details everything to what you want

Google today said they've sacked 48 people for Sexual Misconduct in the workplace ......i certainly don't hear of people wanting every persons name, and explicit details of the misconduct .....cmon, get real