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Well, can't blame you. At the end of the day they won't upend the system, just make it less intolerable.
People (read: most MPs who are property investors) really go off when you (read: Max Chandler-Maher) touch a raw nerve (read: their increasing riches from property investment is contributing to a crisis).
Attention-seeker or renters’ champion? The Greens MP driving pollies up the wall
Max Chandler-Mather is shaking up federal politics with his uncompromising take on the housing crisis.www.brisbanetimes.com.au
The conduct of the major parties, and especially Labor, towards this man is pretty appalling.
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Greens bashing seems to be quite the fashion these days even though they have superior policy and no ties to corporate lobby groups.
I don't really like that there are still Greens MPs that are property investors too, but at least that doesn't stop them advocating the same things Chandler-Mather is.
No, we know the trend is leaning that way. But what if the CPI has a big spike in the next two quarters?
"It is the duty of the Reserve Bank Board, within the limits of its powers, to ensure that the monetary and banking policy of the Bank is directed to the greatest advantage of the people of Australia and that the powers of the Bank ... are exercised in such a manner as, in the opinion of the Reserve Bank Board, will best contribute to:
- the stability of the currency of Australia;
- the maintenance of full employment in Australia; and
- the economic prosperity and welfare of the people of Australia."
I think that third one in particular is being neglected.
Incorrect, see above.
I agree fully.
Full employment to the elites means 5% unemployment or something. They need a few spares on standby.
Unemployment figures are a total farce though. It is barely even a relevant figure.
They dont have superior policy.
What they do well is identify the biggest problems and aim to go bigger then the other parties in fixing them. Eg. They rightly point out that labors policy solutions to the housing crisis are tokenistically small to being almost pointless.
What they dont do well is get the right policies to fix the problems. Their policy solutions often either dont fix the problem like they think it will or will create new problems.
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Disagree , that's the cliched narrative.
And how exactly do they do that when the only policy lever they use at the moment is interest rates?
Wages growth in developed economies has been weaker relative to capital rent growth over the past 30 years due to reduced union power, the opening up of global capital markets, increased participation rates of female workers and increased immigration. The first two being the main drivers. This has nothing to do with central banks.
Sometimes cliches are true.
Rather then advocate for good policies to fix inequality like wealth taxes and inheritance tax the greens have been advocating for higher income tax (which simply punishers hard working young people from lower classes) and minimum universal wages.
Rather than advocate for policies to boost housing supply the greens advocate for rent caps and forcing the rba to lower rates. Short term populist fixes with terrible medium to long term ramifications.
Some of the greens policies are good. My post was a bit simplistic to get a message across. But there is a lot of terrible policies even though the initial intent was right. The greens need to spend more time getting help from experts to devise their solutions. If they do that they might start getting votes from more than just young people.
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They do have their policies vetted. Income tax for the wealthy is a very reasonable and overdue policy. A mining tax is a very reasonable policy.
Putting dental care on Medicare is very reasonable and saves money in the long run.
It costs $2 billion a year yet we want to spend $80 on nuclear subs which Paul Keating rightly calls an ineffective joke.
This is wrong. They have advocated for a wealth tax.
Tax the Billionaires | Australian Greens
People on $300k a year should pay more in tax no matter what class they're from.
Also wrong.
Greens fire first election salvo with $12bn housing policy, as Coalition flags housing supply boost
A new federal housing department would build 360,000 affordable new homes over five years for people to buy or rent at a net cost of $12.5 billion under the Greens proposal.
You realise building adequate supply takes time, right? It'll be several years before there's any reduction whatsoever in house prices from supply growth. But there are people becoming homeless right now because they can't afford a roof over their head. They don't have the ability to wait for several years for things to get better. Once they become homeless, their ability to be productive members of society is heavily constrained, not to mention any disruption to their children's education making those children less productive members of society in future.
The point of rent caps is to be a short term measure to help people now, buying time for a big increase in supply. If you want to hive off parts of the strategy and view them in isolation rather than as a whole, you will miss the point.
And lower interest rates are similar, something to help people avoid losing their homes right now. As I've explained in other comments, higher interest rates are ineffective against cost-push inflation, so the RBA are strangling the economy and sending people homeless for not much benefit, because the government refuses to do its job with fiscal policy. The Greens are the only ones with the courage to call this farce out.
Fancy citing covid and the voice for contrbuting to bullying multiples of your own staff out of the workplace.
www.abc.net.au
WA Greens senator issues apology for 'distress' after bullying complaints
Senator Dorinda Cox said a Nine newspapers report claiming 20 of her office staff had quit was "missing context".
www.abc.net.au
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Anthony Albanese may be trivialising the Greens, but grassroots Labor is preparing for a fight
Political operatives say the Greens are now operating as a ‘left opposition’ party as the ALP’s ‘younger sibling’ grows increasingly influential
Political operatives say the Greens are now operating as a ‘left opposition’Anthony Albanese may be trivialising the Greens, but grassroots Labor is preparing for a fight
Political operatives say the Greens are now operating as a ‘left opposition’ party as the ALP’s ‘younger sibling’ grows increasingly influentialwww.theguardian.com
Now? Haven't they always been 'left'?
I don't see this as news.
Bandt's critique is spot on. Labor could actually stop being afraid and govern as a progressive government by negotiating with the Greens (and calling them out on bad ideas) or they could focus on how to win elections (while seeming to forget the point of wiunning elections).
Agreed.
We got our first bit of election paraphernalia in the mail.
New Greens member for Sturt.
I'm not a Greens voter, but I'm well aware how close the Libs were to losing Sturt.
Going to be interesting how this plays out, I assume they've gone early as our local member is invisible
New Greens member for Sturt.
I'm not a Greens voter, but I'm well aware how close the Libs were to losing Sturt.
Going to be interesting how this plays out, I assume they've gone early as our local member is invisible
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